Asus Strix SCAR 15 G533QS 150W TDP vBIOS on RTX 3080??

https://www.amazon.com/OLOy-1x32GB-260-Pin-Laptop-MD4S3232180IZ0SH/dp/B089SL3YNX?th=1
3200 32G CL18 1.2v back in stock

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...33q-owners-lounge.835428/page-8#post-11090192

 

Those memory sticks aint much better than the stock Samsung memory if at all.
You be better off getting Kingston memory:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/msii0g/comparison_of_fastest_3200mhz_jdec_rams_for/

 

Hey guys,

does anybody have the ge66 vbios stored somewhere and willing to share. I flashed my g733qs to ge76 but if i go over 1830mhz (+130) the games crash. Ge66 would prob then also do the trick and save temps aswell. thanks in advance!

 

Thanks I read that thread, it seems the sku is wrong, at least the Ololy memory I received are dual rank, not single.

Proof these are dual ranks:


I do have Kingston HyperX before I got Oloy. Oloy and Kingston both have advantages and disadvantage, I runned multiple test with aida64 and 3dmark also my preferred game wwz.



Dual ranks have a huge performance improvement than single ranks, but between Oloy and Kingston, the difference is very minimal.

aida64 test: https://imgur.com/a/khrxStx

3dmark Test: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/20393153/spy/20393432/spy/20393750

admit Oloy is a lot cheaper than Kingston, so after the test, I definitely gonna return Kingston.

 

Hi,

Interesting... Mines Oloy has exactly same SKU number but it came as single rank. Could you run this benchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/ and post link here? Also please let me know your bios version.

Mine results on Aida64:


BTW Kingston rams are not dual rank. https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/HX432S20IB2K2_32.pdf
Dual rank rams are these https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/HX432S20IBK2_32.pdf - easy to mix...

To ensure if your Oloy are dual rank open Aida64 -> Computer -> DMI -> Memory Devices -> any DIMM:

Bellow you will find Ranks - mine is 1.

 

Hmm, I think there is some confusion with terminology: based on crucial’s references to JEDC stands, a memory stick can be classified to Single Rank, Dual Rank and Quad Rank. The one you point out About kingston is Quad Rank. Its rarely seen these days, mostly on ECC modules.

so your comparison must be between Quad rank(Kingston) vs Dual Rank(Oloy)

for me its Original single rank(Micron) vs those two Dual Rank, my improvement is huge.

I posted all my quick test here: https://imgur.com/a/khrxStx

btw, there is a video posted about general performance difference of Single rank vs Dual rank vs Quad rank with similar strix laptop, Tl;DR: Dual and Quad are vastly better than Single, but the difference between Dual and Quad is slim.

 

Hmm, aren't you're mixing ranks with channels?
One RAM stick can be either single / dual / quad rank and they are labeled as 1RxX, or 2RxX, 4RxX:
https://www.oempcworld.com/support/singlevsdualram.html

Also they can run in single / dual / quad channels. This is basically amount of ram sticks 2x16GB = 32GB, 4x8GB = 32GB and etc.

So, two Single Ranked RAM sticks not equals to Dual Rank, but Dual Channel:


These are still good results compared vs OEM Samsung. And as I already wrote somewhere in my post single rank Oloy rams runs even better on other systems with same AMD CPU, the problem is that specifically on G533 series laptops they don't reach their full potential. Asus needs to improve BIOS to utilize single rank rams at full potential.

Sad that there's no owner who has dual rank and dual channel rams that could post test results for comparison vs single rank dual channel rams.

 

Hey Ziga, i dont know any other way to get in touch with you so i have to do it this way. I cannot find the ge66 vbios anywhere, even tried extracting it from the .exe from msi but had no luck. Could you please upload it to a google drive and share it here.

 

Just want to make sure I understand this correctly, let's forget about module size, two stick make dual channel, from what I see there are 3 kinds of memory stick type on a sodimm DDR4 module:

1. 4 chips on one side, none on other side --- single rank
2. 4 chips on one side, 4 chips on other side --- dual rank
3. 8 chips on one side (top 4, bottom 4), 8 chips on one side (top 4, bottom 4) --- quad rank

Like this images shows, left to right:
single rank, dual rank, quad rank, is it not?

 

I tested the memory that I own which are both dual rank and after I saw Jarrods video it confirms my finding, despite OLOy having superior timings, Ryzen seems to care more about the tRFC secondary timings in these SODIMM memories than anything, which would explain why there is almost no difference between OLOy and my stock Sammy memory.

But when Jarrod tested his 8GB sticks, he had a lower tRFC timing than his stock memory which has the same tRFC as my memory and the OLOy.


Stock Memory Left - OLOy MD4S1632180IZ0DC on the right


Stock Memory Left - OLOy MD4S1632180IZ0DC on the right


Here is a picture of the two side by side for anyone interested in the sticks.

As you can see, there barely any differences, if anything the Samsung memory is actually beating the OLOy sticks in some areas and the Samsung memory was also more consistent when testing, the OLOy memory would either be inferior by 5% or better by 1 - 2%
Both memories were tested on Turbo mode, highest performance mode on the Asus laptop obviously.

So conclusion? I am not sure you are gonna find better memory than Kingston, Samsung and OLOy models if you are looking for 32+ GB, but if you can live with 16GB you can definitely find faster sticks.
Jarrod tested CRUCIAL CT8G4SFS832A sticks which are single rank.

 

I think in your case your memory is fine and good, no need to change to either Oloy or Kingston, my laptop came with 16GB preinstalled and they're single side memory, have huge drawbacks from performance just like what Jarrod demonstrated in Lenovo Legion Pro.



original Micron sticks(only have 4 chip on one side per stick):



HyperX 4 chips on both side per stick:


Oloy 4 chips on both side per stick:

 

Hi,

GE66 - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/231093/231093
GE76 - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/229687/229687

 

Ok, so amount of chips on RAM stick doesn't tell whether it's a single or dual rank, let's examine both descriptions for HyperX single and dual rank.

Single:
HyperXHX432S20IB2K2/32 is a kit of two 2G x 64-bit (16GB) DDR4-3200 CL20 SDRAM (Synchronous DRAM) 1Rx8, memory module, based on eight 2G x 8-bit DDR4 FBGA components.


Dual:
HyperX HX432S20IBK2/32 is a kit of two 2G x 64-bit (16GB) DDR4-3200 CL20 SDRAM (Synchronous DRAM) 2Rx8, memory module, based on sixteen 1G x 8-bit DDR4 FBGA components.


So single rank rams description says that 8 chips x 2G are used in 1 rank to create 16G module
And dual - 16 x 1G in 2 ranks (8 chips operating in one rank and remaining 8 chips in another rank) = 16G

Since your picture is not focused it's difficult to judge... but first RAM I assume is 4 x 2G in 1 rank = 8G
RAM in the middle are 8 X 2G 1 rank = 16G
Ripjaws are 2 rank definitely either 16G or 32G

But long story short it's not amount of chips or how they are placed tells you whether they're single or dual rank, it's this label 1RxX / 2RxX / 4RxX

 

Amount of GB in RAM has also impact on score that's why you see better results on HyperX and Oloy because you have double the amount.

 

To anyone worried about temps with the 155w MSI bios. I was able to keep temps under thermal throttling applying an undervolt. Currently running 800mv @ 1710mhz

 

Was about to start undervolting aswell, how does msi afterburner work with armoury crate manual mode? Do you just put the oc in armoury crate at 0 and apply the curve in afterburner or should the armoury crate oc match the afterburner oc

 

Set the OC to 0 for the core clock.

 

Thanks for the explanation, Ziga34, much appreciated. After some dig, I also get the idea of ranks not equal chips on sides.
However, could you take a look at Jarrod's video:

In his memory comparison, it's clearly he's using both 16G memory, both are clearly labeled Single rank. But the one with two side of chips on the right(1Rx8) got all the benefit we talked here(his test unit is Ryzen 5800H on Lenovo Legion Pro).

So in the end, at least for Ryzen 5000 platforms, the CL, the memory size and single vs dual ranks isn't the issue.
The only issue is whether it's double side vs single side chips.
How could we rationalize that?

 

Hey guys quick question, has anyone found any ways to oc the boost ghz on the 5900hx? I have the raedeon software (red flower logo thing)but it only tweaks the Igpu lol. Also was wondering if people kept dynamic boost on with 155w bios? I kept it on as I realized I was getting more power draw on average even for demanding esport games like warzone

 

Legion 5 Pro has much worse memory than our stock kits
There are secondary timings parameters, which matter:

 

I don't think so, I have Ryzen desktop pc, tweak memory timing for days just for entertainment, secondary timing are far less important than primary timing, that's why they're called secondary timing. I'm talking about desktop pc have adjustable Infinity Fabric to sync 1:1 on exotic memory, even so, the real world performance improvement is far less than what we saw here.

Change from one side chip memory to double side chip memory, boom, 10-15% performance gain. that's insane.

 

btw I’ve got 317 bios update via Windows Update.
ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. - Firmware - 10.1.2.315

While last number is 315, it's 317
And it’s still missing in MyAsus and on support site, lol

 

Found it:
https://mega.nz/file/GsBxkaqL#cUeqbdM_uV_OOT-r1Ia7CaS-6HbWSnVzpY2fQp4acLw

 

Hi,
Seems that Jarrod isn't sure about the impact on ram performance 4 chips vs 8 chips, but it's not the case - simply Samsung uses 4 x 2G chips and Crucial 8 X 1G, but both are single ranked and makes them even.
But he identified actual reason - lower tRFC values in Crucial memory. tRFC is the next most important timing after the primary ones and sadly not many (if any?) manufacturers publish this spec.
I don't have one good source to share about tRFC but you can google about it, reading couple of sources should give you overall understanding.
I would agree with majority owners in this forum that the best ram for Ryzen systems to this day is dual ranked HyperX - they might not have best primary timings (Oloy here is the winner), but lower tRFC and dual ranking has higher perf. impact on Ryzen systems.
Yet I would like to see comparison between Oloy 64GB because they come as dual ranked vs HyperX 64GB, then it's a battle between better primary timings vs better secondary timings.

Cheers.

 

I think the secondary timings matter more, look at my results, OLOy was only better in some place compared to the Samsung CL22 ones and both are dual ranks 16GB sticks.
And yet Jarrod had much better results in some section compared to either of my memory, because his secondary timings are vastly superior to anything in the 32GB or 64GB class.

I honestly think anyone would be chasing after 1 - 3% performance improvements when it comes to 32GB or 64GB class, its just not worth it LOL unless you got REALLY trashy 16GB sticks.

 

Got my hands on Dual Rank HyperX 2 x 16GB









https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/43310938
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20498854

 

Thats actually really nice, its got way faster secondary timings than the memory I tested, similar to what Jarrod was using but his was 8GB sticks instead of 16GB sticks.

 

Hey guys been following this thread i have the 17inch scar Ryzen 5900hx 32gb ram Rtx 3080 16gb I flashed the vbios with the msi 155watt . I also orderd the hyperx ram waiting for it. Timespy score 13230. Gpu 13972 cpu 10170 . I will try post pics tomorrow when I'm by the pc on my phone now

 

Damn! Those are some really nice scores, how are your temps and what overclock settings are you running? Also Armoury crate or afterburner?

 

Temps can be both great and not so much depending on bios version used.
317 bios gives best cpu performance (but not a significant increase compared to other versions), but at the expense of increased CPU temps. While CPU never hits thermal throttling (105C) increased CPU temps has slight impact on GPU temp as they both are connected and cooled with same cooling solution (pipes). And if GPU has regular thermal paste it will thermal throttle.
My latest test playing Cyberpunk 2077:
317 version, GPU with regular thermal paste = GPU reaching 87C and thermal throttling
317 version, GPU with LM = GPU 85C and no throttle, but very close
311 version, GPU with regular thermal paste = GPU 84C
311 version, GPU with LM = 81C
So today I've downgraded to version 311 and gonna stay on it.

My settings are (ignore the fan speed as this is set to max only for benchmark):





Simply saying I'm using GE66 130W vbios with OC +120 on clock with slight increase (135 and 150) on bottom and +230 on memory. This profile was tested running 1 hour artifact scanning on each OCCT and FurMark ROG Edition x64 software.
GPU max boost speed 1890 and average ~1810 - this is what 3DMark has measured.

 

anyone got that 280w power brick from Ali? is it really 280w?

 

I got the 280w from Ali express. I can confirm that it really is 280w, draw much more during timespy and when playing cyberpunk, on the 155w bios.

ziga, what is the link for the Hyperx ram? Is it on Amazon or something? Also please could you link the 130w bios?

 

Hello All, i have G733QS with RTX 3080 and 5900HX.

I have repasted my laptop, and you will see on the pictures the greatest work from Asus for the cooling.

You can see on CPU, liquid metal is misaligned
GPU : A lot of pasta, toothpaste

I flashed 130W MSI bios, and the temperatures are better / cpu after reworking with liquid metal / thermal pasta on it

My computer cost 3200e here, I think it's not normal to have this for this price

 

interesting how much did your temps drop and what thermal paste did you use

 

I lost 10degrees on CPU in charge, 5-7 on idle
On the GPU, 5degress

I used Prolimatech PK-3

For the liquid metal, i used cotton stalk for allocate the liquid metal on the die

 

ok very nice well done

 

what were your temps before

 

On 3Dmark, with the physics test for CPU: 95°C
Now : 88-85

For GPU : -5 -7°C with tests on 3Dmark

Good enhanced temp

I switch definitely on MSI 130W Bios

 

Finally, i reflash stock vbios.

I suspect 130w BIOS MSI and 155w are similar because the TDP is unlocked

Explication : TDP is always 40w on the computer (gpuz), maybe the TDP is unlocked at infinite until 165w

we should have a bios with a reliable monitoring of watts, without that it is perhaps less interesting

 

how do you have resizable bar enabled in gpuz?

 

it was a GPU-Z bug, just update it to the latest version

 

View attachment 193627

 

New bios 319 is out mmm I wonder what they changed

 

weird issue, the laptop boots with 7000 mhz on the memory and after a few seconds it drops to 6000mhz and no matter which profile I choose it won't revert back tot he 7000mhz. Any idea why?

 

I returned my laptop today for the msi ge76 i7 11800h rtx 3080. The strix build quality was nice but I wanted mux

 

Where were you able to find the ge76?

 

In South Africa there literally was only 1 in the country.

 

Ahhh I see. Well none available from retailers here yet. One retailer mentioned mid June.

 

Were about are you