Asus UL30JT

But it does the same thing as a dedicated right click button; which is what you what you want at the end of the day.

 

No, it doesnt. Doing a rocker gesture doesnt work like that.

 

This is a pointless argument. Mac laptops have right-click functions, just not a dedicated right click button. That's all there is to it. End of story.

 

So why were you arguing against the point Ive said from the beginning? lol...

You were really under the impression I thought macs didnt have a way to right click?

 

maybe pointless, but to me it has a significant difference between "click" (ie direct access to a physical button) and "function" (ie combination of gesture to achieve a goal).

anyway, never mind, everybody got it

 

Anyone know how the Elan touchpad drivers are?

Do they allow for touch zones? Such as bottom left and places for specific functions. Im kind of scared moving away from Synaptics

 

Right-click is now accommodated by a gesture. I guess it not having a button is a deal-breaker for many.

 

which processor would be faster and by how much? Core 2 duo T8100 (2.1ghz) or the processor in this laptop??

 

Im kinda wondering the same thing as probably others are too. I have the 2ghz though. It probably depends on the situation, but my hope is that the I5 520UM is better. no idea though

 

If ASUS actually has an extra 33% overclock on the i5-520UM in addition to Intel's Turbo Boost, it will be faster. Otherwise, no.

 

i gota say thats quite upsetting. i wish they released the a laptop size and weight of the ul30jt but with u30jc specs. Or pretty much the u30jc without the Optical drive.

 

Hi guys, I've been lurking here since the thread had only 30 replies There's a new site in Denmark that has the UL30JT available for pre-order, at a much nicer price (remove spaces to use the link):

ht tp://ww w.dustin.dk/pd_5010442247.aspx

The UL30VT is priced at dkk 4.399 at the same site, so the JT costs about 38% more than its older counterpart. That's one more place that states the expected date of release to be May 1st.

 

Especially since this is the Asus UL30JT thread. Pleaase don't fall into discussions about Acers, Macs etc, we're NOT interested. This is now a 200 page thread and it's exctremely irritating to have to answer questions about UL30JT over and over because people can't find the posts in this huge littered thread.

 

yeahhh, it would be good if the notebook review guys could like make an official page for this with like info on it.

 

What about the question: How does it compare to the TimelineX?

HTH

 

sigh. when will they start shipping it over to Singapore?

 

However the MBP13" doesn't have turbo or Optimus so fail; and according to Engadget's article here:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/

The MBP doesn't even use true Optimus technology. It's like Apple's own version of Optimus and it's bugged as hell. Like if you open up videos in youtube or something it turns on, but it doesn't turn off when your not running it anymore until you close the browser, and other things similar to that. There are apps where it'll run, and some apps that it won't that should have it, and a lot of the times, it doesn't turn off.

However that doesn't seem to apply to the MBP13 since it doesn't have the intel intergrated graphics according to the Apple site and it's not even an i5 core.

 

And here Apple is touting their method as superior to nVidia's... I actually don't mind having to switch graphics manually, as I usually know whether I want performance or battery life and it's not always based on application. Some people want PS4 to use the GPU, I don't. Likewise, usually I want Media Center to use nVidia, but sometimes if I'm just configuring settings in it I don't want to switch to the nVidia GPU.

These automatic methods all require user intervention at some point anyway, which doesn't make them much more convenient than getting the user to switch. What would REALLY suck is if the 3820TG really required AC power to use the ATI card, now THAT'S a deal-breaker ladies.

 

When Asus finally gets around to releasing the UL30JT, a mod will likely set up an Official Owners Lounge.

 

i would prefer to have control over which settings to opt for instead...

but the UL30VT doesn't pack a better processor... i core series would be appreciated though

 

I thought the dedicated 310M would be more powerful than the IGP 320M? Am I mistaken?

 

If it works anything like the u30jc, you have complete control over when or when it won't use the discrete graphics. The only issue is, if you wanted to go into a program that you've set one way, differently, you'll have to go into the settings and change it. Basically, it gives you the software control instead of a button yet it does everything automatic and you can have any program(s) open when it does it.

 

ohhh... thanks for clarifying.. now you've reignite my flame of the waiting game again.. sigh.

 

The way I understand it, the 320M is integrated (it includes a controller and relies on system memory) but has 64 stream processors. The 310M is discreet (no controller, and has dedicated RAM) but has only 16 stream processors. I think benchmarks will show which one is faster, but they should be comparable.

Read this:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/why-the-13-macbook-pro-didnt-get-a-core-i5-upgrade.ars

By the way, the specs for the 310M on notebookcheck show that the 310M only supports a maximum of 512MB, so this contradicts Asus 1GB claim shown at CBIT.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-310M.22439.0.html


I just ended up buying a UL30VT.

 

There are a few things that seem to be different to what was shown on CEBIT.
They advertised an i7-UM Processor, but currently the site only has the i5 Processor.
They PL30JT is supposed to have a matte screen but the ASUS site currently has it as glossy.

The CeBIT stuff was just prototypes I believe and the actual final products may differ slightly.

 

First review out : http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/...30jt-nkrt-1129

tl:dr
Display lid doesnt seem solid & JT are 7hours with WLAN on maybe 10hours with everything off. Performances are good but not good enough to question the alternative of a VT (lower processor + SSD drive) that'll achieve better boot time, reactivity and perfomances for office use at the same price if not lower.

rThis will be N82JV or UL30VT for me (this one really holds up 10 hours WLAN on, even if its 50% less powerful cpu wise) + and SSD hard drive (that'll make up ten times the loss in CPU power, which is unless you ove mghz totally not a deal killer for a mobility laptop).
Because for the same price you'll get more mobility and way more reactivity. And the processor power gain on such notebooks meant for mobility is of no use either in games or in computing movies (few seconds or fps difference).

 

That's slightly disappointing but I'll wait to see more reviews before I base my full fledged opinion on it (that one wasn't really in depth enough for me). So far I'm liking Optimus on my laptop and I know that's a bonus of these laptops. If you're not going to be going in and out of programs that need to have the discrete graphics or will be doing casual gaming on the side, then I would agree with you that the VT is better! Enjoy your new one, which ever of the two models you decide to go with. I'll be buying a SSD shortly for my JC just to see how it helps with everything.

Great find too btw, thanks for posting it up!

 

FYI, that link was posted on page 133 in this thread, the review is almost a month old: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=449562&page=133

 

Well, what about the U33Jt they plan on releasing (this summer?). It sounds to be the U30Jc, except no DVD drive and with a bamboo wood-covered lid & palm rest.

Here's a YouTube showing a U33Jt demo model (prototype?) at CES 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwPFuftUqM&feature=related

Putting this video at 720p and enlarging to full screen, I can see that the demo model displayed had:
i7-640/620UM processor & sported one or more USB 3.0 ports.

But don't count on it having an i7 processor. At CES, the U30Jc was advertised as coming with an i3 or i5 processor. In the US, it only came out with an i3 processor. At CES, the UL30Jt was shown with an i7-620/640UM processor. ASUS' site now shows it selling in the US with an i5-520UM. Go figure. :confused2:

 

I can't believe I missed that, I've been watching this thread since the beginning. I even posted before that page!

 

That review even pointed out that Asus was flawed to not have added USB 3.0, firewire or an expansion slot. Otherwise it would have been a real contender for future series.

 

i wouldnt mind this over the u30jc but i just dont know the difference between the 520um and the i3 processor. Like i know the i3 processor is faster but is it recognizably different? I mean you can tell the big difference between a Pentium 4 and a Core 2 Duo but is it that much different between them 2 processors?

 

Here's a quote I just read online that you may find helpful:
" Core i5 also encompasses Clarkdale (2/4 threads, Turbo Clock) and Lynnfield (4/4 threads, Turbo Clock) on Socket LGA 1156.

Core i5 will have bigger advantages over Core 2 Duo since Core i5 (or i3 | i7) don't have the outdated FSB (Front Side Bus) bottlenecking everything.

This means the CPU connects directly to the RAM modules and latency decreases since the information/data doesn't have to go thru an unneeded step as the Memory controller.

Also the new i5 CPUs will bring in Hyper Threading meaning each core can deal with 2 threads vs the 1 core 1 thread approach of Core 2 Duos.The front side bus isn't a bottleneck on a notebook. Still it does take the chipset off of the board to lower the BOM for a logicboard if you're going to use the IGP."

 

The i5-520UM and the mobile i3s are all Arrandales. Here's a comparison chart from Intel.
Since the architecture is the same, the main difference between these two CPUs will be clock speeds. The i3-330M runs at 2.133GHz as its stock speed. On the other hand, the i5-520UM runs at only 1.066GHz stock, but it can boost up to 1.6GHz on two cores or 1.866Ghz on one. As such, without ASUS' Turbo33 the i3s would be noticeably faster, especially on two cores.

However, if ASUS boosts the i5-520UM's figures by a further 33% (Presumably also bumping the RAM up from 800MHz to 1066Mhz), you would get 2.133GHz on two cores and 2.489GHz on one.

 

ahh i see thanks for the response. I wish they just put like a normal i3 or i5 processor to make things easier and better.

 

What lackofcheese is describing IS a normal i5. Any overclock on the i5 is your choice. The i3 is locked and can't be clocked higher by Intel TurboBoost or ASUS Turbo33.

Unless you mean something else.

 

I think he means he would've preferred a standard i3 or i5, and not the ULV i5-520UM.

 

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okays nvm, i've translated it - thanks

 

I see, ... I think.

You know, lackofcheese, I'm really glad you're on this forum. I'm no engineer and we need those who can explain the different processors and their architecture and the various flavors.

Heavens, looking in Wikipedia (Wikipedia, Google & lackofcheese are my friends!) I didn't realize there are 12 varieties available of JUST the i5 processor and at least 5 of them are mobile chips, and only one of them (the UM) is the ULV ultra-low voltage chip!

Slow down, Intel, all of these choices could give us option-stress. :confused2:

... and will some one please get this guy some cheese, he deserves it (if he's a he).

 

There's actually a whole lot more ULV and LV Arrandales that are labelled as i7s, although the only difference between the i7 and i5 Arrandales (apart from the multipliers/clock speeds) is that the i7 Arrandales have 4MB of cache instead of 3.

I am indeed a he, and it looks like we share a number of mutual friends. I would love some cheese, though.

 

Unfortunately for me, I lived many years overseas in the Middle East (that part wasn't unfortunate! ), and during that time, most cheese sold was imported from Europe (at cheaper prices then in the US). Then I lived 3 yrs in the UK and received an expanded education in the love of *real* cheese.

Now I'm ruined. I love quality, slice-it-yourself cheese, but can afford Kraft. What to do. Perhaps it is true that the inexperienced poor are better off not knowing what they missed.

 

Dont know if you guys saw this article on engadget.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/24/intel-arrandale-shortages-leading-to-premium-prices-potential-p/

But this may affect the price and launch of the UL30JT

 

Rumors on ulv Sandy Bridge and ulv Arrandale:

 

i've been waiting since january to get a laptop when i read about the ul30jt. the first manufacturer to make a light/portable (less than 4lbs) with nvidia optimus, i core processor, and decent battery life will get my business. apparently no one can make this though...

 

Well apparently it's coming out May 1 in Europe and some already have it in Taiwan. I don't know what the hold up is in the US though. I'm starting to get scared it won't even come out in May anymore.

 

well...
Fujitsu P770 with i7-640UM
but only if you have deep pockets

 

the only thing missing is nvidia optimus with discrete graphics, otherwise i would probably buy it now.

 

Sorry for double-posting everyone (I already posted this over on the U30Jc thread), but I thought some of you here might like to see this as well:

Did you see this Aussie web page?
http://www.shopbot.com.au/m/?m=u33jc

The U33Jc Bamboo model appears to be on sale in Australia??
With an 8-cell 2800mAh battery??!
It's not even for sale on Amazon in the US yet.

Specs for the U33Jc-RX022X Bamboo in Australia are:
CORE i5-430M 2.26GHZ (2.53GHZ TURBO),
NV GT310M 512M, 802.11BGN 10/100/1000,
BT, 0.3M WEBCAM, 2YR WARRANTY, WIN7 PRO, BAMBOO.PI DATE : MARCH 2010
SCREEN : 13.3 LED 1366 x 768
RAM : 4GB (2x 2GB) DDR3 1066
HDD : 500GB 5400 rpm
BATTERY : 8 Cell / 2800 mAh

 

So wait... it gets an i5, and loses the optical drive... but doesn't get the speculated 2mp webcam, gets a tiny battery, no mention of usb 3.0 and probably still costs more? Who comes up with these numbers???

 

Seriously, does the i5 make up for the lost optical and lack of USB or expansion ports? I would have thought not.