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I made an unfair comparison i just realized.
in my comparison i used max TDP ratings before ASUS's turbo mode meaning stock SU7300 v. I5-540UM (intel turbo'd)
In regards to the i5
I was referring to the whole die including the integrated intel GMA HD
In regards to the SU7300
I only took account of the CPU. but didn't account for the Intel
X4500MHD graphics
If we are to compare CPU+intel graphics since i cannot find information on the watt usage of the i5 alone.
However real world tests show the UL30JT having less battery life than the UL30VT with the same battery and both on quiet office mode (no optimus or turbo33 involved both at stock speed, the UL30JT being lower). That to me is evidence that the UL30JT's cpu uses slightly more power with all else being relatively equal.
source: Intel® Core?2 Duo Processor SU7300 (3M Cache, 1.30 GHz, 800 MHz FSB) with SPEC Code(s) SLGS6, SLGYV
Intel® Core? i5-520UM Processor (3M Cache, 1.06 GHz) with SPEC Code(s) SLBQP
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I mean 6 hours and 13 minutes
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Yeah, or one would think you had a nice SLI GTX 480 config on your UL30JT
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i jumped ship and got the VT as well. I cancelled my order back in January for the VT when i heard about the JT. I don't regret it but the JT is a really big disappointment. I saved $100+ dollars from the price drop so now i can get an SSD along with my VT!
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Yeah, the demand went up! Many of you who were waiting have recently jumped in and gotten the VT, thus driving up the price again and I'm sure making Asus happy. The rest of us will continue to wait patiently for the new Asus or Acer or MSI or......
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Wow. I can't believe that happened. Now I feel bad for not buying it before. Oh well. It's May now, so hopefully we will start hearing announcements of new laptops to come from different manufacturers. Maybe HP and Toshiba will jump in and make a good i5 CULV based ultra thin notebook. Otherwise, I have my eyes set on the PL30JT. I want that matte screen.
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That's true. I was just thinking since this is a fairly new article that maybe they added new chipsets. But then again, it might not be the best source.
So if Euro/Asia are already getting these in, and Amazon are running low on stock of the VTs, does that mean we might see an announcement of the US models in the following weeks? It's May now and announcements aren't usually made till the weekdays. I'm hoping we'll hear something tomorrow.
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Wow. Just wow. To the people getting worked up solely over CPU benchmarks...Mark Twain was once quoted by someone as saying, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." You really can't rely solely on benchmark numbers to determine with certainty how well your computing experience will turn out. Those benchmarks figure differently for different people. The time that it takes your browser or Office '07 to open can be important, but as we've all known from experience, benchmark numbers don't always tell the whole story. They're more often than not unrepresentative of what the average joes will actually be doing with their notebooks!
If you're a road warrior running work-related applications that require a CPU that can crunch calculations or encode videos like none other, all power to you! This is where the CPU's low-power/high performance benchmarks will boost productivity by quite a bit. I have plenty of friends who travel often and could do well with such things! One of my friends makes movies as a hobby and is just returning from a London trip. People like him will have an interest in CPU benchmark numbers! The weight and battery life will also make life easy.
If you're a gamer with heavy performance needs, the verdict is mixed on this one. StarCraft 2 will obviously run smoother with Turbo 33/Boost as unit control will depend largely upon how well your CPU number crunches. The GPU should hold up respectably though obviously not as well as a higher-powered GPU you'd find in one of Asus's heavier gaming notebooks. So once again, the jury is out on this one. If you absolutely must have a light gaming notebook, this will serve you well though you'll most likely get more power with the Acer TimelineX. But just remember that if you stick with the UL30JT, compromises will have to be made on in-game graphics settings. Either way, you will probably want to avoid drawing any concrete links between real gaming performance and multicore rendering benchmarks for a few more years. When games start fully and not just partially utilizing more cores, I'll probably take another look at Cine10 Rendering Multi benchmark numbers.
But for the rest of you who are just looking for a regular machine to take to school or simply to use in the home for watching movies, streaming video clips, typing papers, and web-surfing, you really shouldn't worry about CPU benchmarks. Now I'm not saying, as someone once sarcastically suggested, that we all just craigslist Pentium III notebooks and just be happy about them. In fact, I discourage it as a Pentium III notebook would have horrible battery life and poor multitasking performance. Try running 10 different windows with at least 4 tabs open on it and 128mb of RAM. Yeah...1999 all over again. We all remember those good ole' days. Endless freeze and crash galore.
In this day and age, the one way for us joes/janes with simple needs to go about judging whether a notebook is good for our needs and wants is reading reviews in which the author tests how well the notebook performs simple everyday functions. Does the notebook have a nice display, or are the colors washed out? How's the resolution? Is it light to carry? How's the touchpad? Aesthetics? Does it have eSata? How about a built-in memory card reader? Battery life? Build construction? A rather touchy issue is also the reliability history. Has this manufacturer been known to play cute tricks with its customers? Then finally, should I concern myself with whether I'm getting an i7 when I'm just using my notebook for regular applications, or should I save a few hundred dollars to buy an i3/i5 notebook and use the savings to install an Intel SSD?
My decision was a hotly debated one. But the black horse in my notebook lineup is the Macbook Pro 13. I had endless debates with people about the merits of having an i3 over a nice display, good weight, good build construction, ok graphics, excellent battery life, and a plethora of Applestore B&Ms in my neighborhood to visit for repair support. Sure, the price was high a $1,049 after rebates. But it was impossible to find a PC notebook with all these in one single package at this price. Also, I learned long ago not to fixate solely on CPU benchmarks. They have their purpose, but for someone like me, they don't seem to really make a difference in my everyday tasks. I don't plan to game on it and I can still load up 20+ Chrome browser windows with 8 tabs each, have Office 2007 running as several instances, play Metallica, and still have things nicely with zero crashes on a P7450. The P8600 will probably be just slightly better at all this. But I'll most definitely be looking at SSDs around June/July so I can watch Chrome open up before I even press the button!
Ok, that was kind of long. I got carried away there. I've gotta hurry over to the coffeeshop and start hammering away at my letter. MBP arrives Monday and I'm a little sad that I didn't have time to apply for an AMEX card so I could use it to get an extra 1 year warranty extension on my MBP 13!
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Oh no, I don't deny that. The CPU is where it needs to be. But my concern is the GPU! As long as devs don't code their games to take fully advantage of multiple cores and all of their features, there's only so much even the highest powered CPU can do to affect gaming performance. The main bottleneck is going to be the GPU. I'm impressed Blizzard programmed the game to run even on an ancient ATI 9800 Pro (least that's what I heard 6 months back). But everyone likes eye candy. I played L4D2 on highest settings with my IPS monitor. Oh man...my brother commented that it looked like we were actors in a CG movie.
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Thanks for pointing that out! So they must have changed it to $799.99 which is what everyone was seeing, then added the new sale price of $719.99. Hmm...It's reeeally tempting. I'm gonna wait a little though. We might see some announcement of some new models soon then.
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Keeping that in mind, these people with their misplaced priorities puzzle me. Not everyone here is gaming or making movies, so what's with all the fuss over whether a notebook's processor starts with an "i?" Has Messiah Steve really done a great job of indoctrinating (*cough cough*) I mean teaching the masses that anything with a "i" in the front of its name is hip and cool? (
Disclaimer for Mac fanboys: My MBP 13 is arriving tomorrow morning/afternoon via UPS, so please don't regard this tongue-in-cheek question as a heretical offense to your moral sensibilities).
I'll admit I oohed and aahed when the i-series processors were first announced by Intel back in 2009. But unlike with Core 2 Duo and Core Duo, the differences in the major indexes during my research were too insignificant if not nearly nonexistent to compel me to prioritize having a new CPU over other factors that were also important.
Oh well. Each to his own. I can't wait until my MBP comes tomorrow! My only remaining worry is my Win7 purchase over eBay may not be 100% legit beyond having a working key. Hoping/praying it has its own CoA. PMed the guy yesterday after he sent it, but haven't gotten an answer. No CoA sticker=refund and buying a new, sealed copy that has one. -
I'm not so sure we can conclude so quickly that Apple will drop support in 4 years. It's a possibility, though the P8600 by contemporary standards is still a relatively processor albeit one from a previous generation. Even if we HAD gotten an i5-M processor in the MBP 13, who knows whether Apple would have still supported it 4 years down the road? At the rate of progress we're facing, Intel's CPU architecture will evolve and differentiate itself fundamentally from the current i-series processors. Thus until we receive more information about what's to come 4 years later, we're still reduced to speculating over possibilities.
But even then, I'm not entirely confident my MBP 13, as fantastic as it probably is, will be sufficiently functional past 4 years. I don't even have AMEX's extra 1 year protection (FARK, if someone had just TOLD me earlier!). If it is up and working with no serious problems, yahoo!
Also the battery life? You have a valid point. But let's not forget Apple had no intention of putting i5's in the MBP 13 as they already come standard with the MBP 15/17. But I must that inputting an i5- 520UM with turboboost/turbo33like features would've definitely been a nice touch. Now that's a CPU upgrade worth talking about! A tweaked i5-520UM with a button that allows for a performance boost only when it's needed? That would result in a Macbook Pro 13 with minimal power draw and extra performance when prompted for by the user. But it's all wishful thinking at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if the i5-520UM were to get slapped into the Macbook Air refresh. No love for the MBP 13 admittedly.
Look, I'm not bashing i-series processors. I think they're great for what they do. But I think the enthusiasm for them when the differences are minuscule are overplayed. Plus we all know how overrated future-proofing is. Some people have been holding off on notebook purchases for well over a year just to wait for USB 3.0 as one example. Some paid the extra $400+ premium just to get an internal blu-ray drive--only to watch prices fall dramatically years down the road. My belief is if you need the notebook now, buy it. If you don't, wait.
But I digress. The only viable alternative to the i5s that would've been worth noting in my book is an improvised i5-520um. Similar to what Asus is pulling with their UL30JT. Lower power draw and a CPU boost when a button is pressed. -
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Asus UL30JT
Discussion in 'Asus' started by Hihi, Jan 9, 2010.
