Asus Zenbook NX500

Any sources for that? I read q3 and august ...

 

End of this video: http://youtu.be/VkpDuBG0LxY

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$1899 is a fair price if the sound and display are anything to brag about. There's no sub jack feature which is a shame. Pcie storage is a huge plus which razer and MSI dropped ball on. I hope the base model has 256 gb and not 128gb of storage.

The viewing angles looked pretty good except the weird dark spot on the green Line app tile.

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PCIe CAN be a huge plus,
but mSATA too, considering the Crucial MX100 512gb costs less than 200 bucks, which dont even gets you a 256GB PCIe SSD for that price

 

Don't be such so immature and pedantic. The point is obviously that the 850M and 860M ARE essentially the same cards, just clocked differently, so unlike the 850M GDD3 version, the GDDR5 version can be made to run at the same or similar speeds as a stock 860M. Anything further is a bonus, regardless of what the 860M clocks to.

The point that you seem to be ignorant of is that this is almost the first 850M GDDR5 version we have seen, and it makes a huge difference.

 

How exactly am I being "immature and pedantic?" I admit that I am not very well versed in the specifics of the technical aspects; I am merely applying logic.

Claiming that the 850m can oc to a stock 860m, like I said, doesn't mean anything. You are comparing an oced 850m to a stock 860m. If you think that's a fair comparison, then I don't even know what to say.

Like I said, you need to compare both cards overclocked, and then see the difference. If that difference is negligible, only then can you claim the 850m is the same as 860m. What I have a problem with is people claiming "850m is same as 860m" with ocing 850m as the reasoning while completely ignoring the fact that 860m can be oced. My counter argument has been stated multiple times.

I don't KNOW if they are the same, but what I am saying is if you are going to claim they offer identical performance, at least compare them in a way that makes sense, not one that blatantly ignores half the equation.

Please, if you are going to go on the offensive at least give some meaningful arguments.

As a side note, all of the MSI laptops that I know of with an 850m have the gddr5 version, so its not exactly as ground breaking as you think.

 

i dont mean to jump in other peoples arguments but for the sake of logic i want to say a few things ._.

first of all, i think when people say "850 OC-ed is same as 860" they could just mean that you can reach the performance of a 860 with an 850 card

... so if you need 860 performance, you can just get a 850 gddr5 and OC it and there you go you will have 860 performance

thus if a 850 is cheaper and you only need 860 power, it makes it "better" than 860

 

It's the EXACT same chip..... how hard can it be to understand the word EXACT?
They dont botter to use other GDDR5 chips, they all use the same Hynix VRAM.
IF they botter about ram, they would put GDDR3 inside, which they did on other models
The reason they clock it lower can have many reasons:

GTX850 is lower clocked so it can run cooler
GTX860 is clocked higher but runs a tad hotter
But they both share the same amount of shaders, memory bandwidth, ROPS, etc

So it's just up to the manufacturer what they prefer
NX500: professional market: cooler
GX500: gaming: hotter but more performance
Makes sense to me?

But since they are EXACT same chips it can be changed anyway.
Do you prefer a gaming notebook will lower temps: downclock it to a GTX850M
Are you a professional and absolutely need all power: overclock to (levels BEHIND) a GTX 860M

 

I explained this a couple pages back. It's not just what the manufacturer prefers.

The 850M and 860M are identical. They manufacture a batch of these GPUs and test each of them individually to see how fast they can clock them before leakage from tiny defects causes it to stop working.

- The ones which can clock high get badged as an 860M.
- The ones which can't clock high get set to a lower speed and are badged as an 850M.

So yes they're both identical in terms of design, but they're very different in terms of actual performance. An 860M will clock higher than an 850M. The entire reason it's an 860M and not an 850M is because it could clock higher.

The only time this doesn't happen is when they're producing too many of the higher-end components and not enough of the lower-end components. This can be caused by there being a lot more market demand for the lower-end component. Or because manufacturing yields are so high that too many components can be labeled a high-end component. In these cases they'll take a bunch of GPUs which could've been labeled a 860M, and label them an 850M.

But that's the exception, not what normally happens. Chances are that an 850M will not OC as high as an 860M.

It's just like how you get large and small eggs. They don't have chickens which lay only large, or only small eggs. Each chicken can lay an egg of any size. They measure the eggs after they're laid and sort them according to size. The box of large eggs was made by the exact same chickens as the box of small eggs. But they eggs have been sorted after the fact into large and small categories. Just like the 850M and 860M have been sorted into GPUs which can or can't clock fast.

 

GX500 - Meet The Coolest Ultra-thin 15.6" Gaming Notebook

Unless they indeed shrunk the speaker elements, I think they just wanted a ROG-style speaker grille, one which allows less dust to settle thanks to a smoother surface. If the GPU clock speed truly is the only technical difference between these two models, you might as well make your choice based on aesthetics alone. I, for one, prefer the more toned-down look of the NX500 from what I've seen thus far, but I usually end up going for black or the darkest hue if unavailable. However, I believe it's more realistic to expect these two models to differ more than that. Judging by the videos available, the ventilation on the underside is incorporated in the hinge design on the NX, while on the GX it's found closer to the centre of the notebook. There hasn't been any mention of the GX's screen's touch capabilities either, which makes sense since ASUS is likely to have omitted them in a true gaming spirit.

 

Very true.
The operation of selecting which unit can be clocked lower/higher is called "binning". It applies also to CPUs. More information here:
Product binning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How to Make a CPU - Testing, Packaging and Binning | bit-tech.net

 

We'll see, but the past has proved you wrong many times
5650M did clock atleast as good as a 5730M
GT750M did clock atleast as good as a GT755M

 

Some good info here: AnandTech | Computex 2014: The ASUS Booth Tour

 

Can anyone explain why do the pictures of the gx500 like the one in the link above represent it as black-colored while it clearly has a tan-greenish design according to the videos???

And btw, the ventilation of the gx500 according to a video is also close to the hinge and not centre of the notebook... prove me wrong... with pictures

 

It has to do with the illumination in the showroom. How it looks in the flesh will vary accordingly.

Clos er, not in the centre. Anyhow, this might be the work of YouTube's compression working in tandem with the harsh lighting in the showrooms, but...



the NX500's bottom looks entirely smooth. No visible ventilation whatsoever. computex 2014: ASUS Zenbook NX500 German Hands-On - YouTube



Ventilation can be seen underneath the hinge. [Computex 2014] ASUS ZenBook NX500 - Keddr.com - YouTube



The GX500 leaves little room for doubt with a clearly visible ventilation grille between the rubber feet in the back and the yellow sticker. ASUS ROG GX500: Sleek 4K Gaming Laptop - YouTube

 

Does anyone know if this will be out in time for back to school? I'm going U of T next year and I really want this laptop for college, it fills all of my criteria.

 

Probably not. Estimates say roughly october is when this should come out

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I don't know if it be as late as october (comes extremely close to broadwell launch)
but Asus realy sucks in releasing products. The NX500 was announced back in April...
Rule #1 Never announce a product that people cannot buy within the month or they will loose intrest.

 

Should I just get the UX51VZ then? I don't see any other replacements for it without sacrificing something (battery life). THe xps 15 is known to have many issues, so that's out of the question.

 

The UX51 is too outdated now for the price
Dont know why you say xps15 has so many issues. It has coil whine yes, that is an issue.
But apart from the coin whine, I don't think it lacks somewhere else
It will come @ september. Maybe you can use a notebook from a friend or family for that one month?

 

I can keep using my current laptop no problem, but will it be in retailer stores by October/Sept or only available online? If not, the XPS 15 is my other option, but it's around $400 more than UX51VZ. NCIX is currently selling the UX51VZ for $1980

 

I wouldnt spend 2000$ on a notebook with
ivy bridge instead of haswell (much more battery life)
Same for kepler gpu instead of maxwell gpu (twice the performance)

I mean if you pay a 2000 premium you want the best of the best

 

I wouldn't buy any notebook atm, wait a little bit longer for broadwell.

 

there will be no broadwell laptop until Early 2015...stop guys saying "wait for broadwell", I think we need a new laptop in few months, so haswell is the Way imho

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So it looks like I'm down to the XPS 15 then .-. . Is there any other alternative with the same battery life as the 91 whr and some sort of dedicated graphics?

 

On windows? Nope

 

Really looking forward to this laptop. Registered in the forums just to follow this thread, interesting discussions in here. I'll be using it for video editing and animating with a connected cintiq at school. Occasional gaming too.

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But will it be available in Europe..
The previous U500 was a disaster in availability

 

96 whrs on both the nx500 and gx500...what's the battery life going to be o.o?

 

probably like "up to 8 hours" but translated that would mean maybe effective 5-6 hours considering also that the screen will suck up most of it

 

Will be more then (than?) 5hrs. The U500VZ already brought us 5hrs with a 70Whr battery.
Yes I know it's 4K this time, but 96 vs 70 is a big difference, and also keep in mind U500 had no haswell cpu yet

 

It says it comes with PCIe x4 512GB SSD. Can anybody explain what x4 mean in this case?

 

The x4 indicates 4 PCIe lanes, translating to a bandwidth of 4 GB/s. In other words, this notebook is future-proof in the storage department.

 

So does it mean it will come with PCIe 3 x4 SSD as standard or do you mean it's upgradable?

 

The NX500 will be sold in several configurations where the 512GB PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD should be the most expensive factory option.

 

Convel, but how can we be sure they will opt for PCIe Gen3 and not Gen 2?

 

The PCIe revision has yet to be confirmed and is a guess made on my behalf.

AnandTech | Computex 2014: The ASUS Booth Tour

 

I'm just glad they are using pcie instead of sata like everyone else. I'm curious if both are compatible though since they have options for both. I would be surprised if they have separate motherboards for each model. To my knowledge, nobody has made an m.2 slot that's interchangeable between sata and pcie

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I see now. Thanks for clarifying this for me. Hopefully they'll go with Gen 3.

 

Gen 2 is still plenty fast enough, the asus will never reach the limits of gen 2
Gen 3 is for GPU power a la GTX770+ (desktop part to be clear)

 

'' the asus will never reach the limits of gen 2 ''


Um, care to elaborate?

 

I think what he means is even if the limits of gen 2 could be reached, another component in the system will probably be the bottleneck.

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I too am quite excited by the prospect of getting this computer. Asus did an excellent job with the design and if the build quality is even half as good then I'd say this rig merits a $2k price tag - especially considering the 4k screen. Also, i am very pleases that the GTX 850 will sport GDDR5 RAM. On the GT750, there was an enormous difference between DDR5 and DD3 RAM.

I realize that its pointless to speculate on release dates however i will go ahead and do it anyway...

The 'prototype' shown at computex looked very much to be at production level. Considering the statement of the product manager in this video, I'm more inclined toward believing the August / September release date.

However that aside, I'm wondering if there will be significant differences in availability between the US and Europe. I know that some Asus products were more readily available in Europe than in the US. And perhaps vice versa for other products... But what are your impressions? Does it generally seem like Asus products are more readily available in the US and Europe?

 

Xentar712, Any idea how fast will it be in real world speeds?

 

x4 (4 PCI lanes) PCIe v2 is capable of 4x500MBps each way -> 2GBps. With 32GiB RAM memory one would fill the whole memory from SSD in 16 seconds at theoretical peak speed.

Now there's always overheads so one will not reach the theoretical peak, still PCIe v2 isn't a bottleneck in any practical scenario.

Look here: AnandTech | Samsung SSD XP941 Review: The PCIe Era Is Here

 

Oh ok.. Hopefully we'll start seeing reviews soon. Thanks for the link, btw!

 

Don't get your hopes up. From my experience, take what Asus says and add a couple months to it. They are really good at getting early prototypes to look nice, so you can't just go by that. Nobody was allowed to do any testing on the laptop, so that pretty much says it's not ready for release yet on the software side. There could have been missing hardware for all we know. If I had to guess, it will be late Oct mid November release.

They often don't release certain models in the US. The latest two things I can note of were the UX302LG and the Padfone. For some weird reason, Asus decided that Americans wouldn't want an Ultrabook with a dedicated graphics card, so they only made the Zenbook Infinity available, which had Iris graphics only. The only way to get the UX302LG was to buy it from Canada. The Padfone was available in many parts of the world for three generations and just now became available in the US for the 4th generation.

 

oh... my.... god....

i was asking for this in the G551 thread... i really hope they don't add a few freakin MONTHS to the release date

i live in europe does this mean it will come to europe another few months ON TOP of that? omg so i will be getting my laptop early 2015? where like broadwell gets integrated already and stuff i will buy a 2014 laptop... great...

 

Europe usually releases before the US with Asus. at least it has in the past a lot.

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Does Asus usually delay notebook releases? September is already stretching my timeframe, but OCTOBER?!