First Hands on Asus N51TP and N81VP w/ATI 4650/GT 130M & AMD Puma 2!

It's a shame we don't have any insiders at *(insert retailer here)* to tell us that they are getting a shipment of new Asus notebooks on *(insert date just days from now here)*..


*sigh*

In other news, the Nokia W810 is on sale at buy.com for 220.

 

Bestbuy is getting "new" asus notebooks tomorrow, but i doubt it's these

 

.....yeah the g50vt-x5...right?

 

yea, i suppose so, i was hoping it was more exciting xD

 

like i said in the other thread maybe a best buy version of the Asus W90(keeps fingers crossed)

 

the N80Vn-X5 from newegg is really tempting, would you guys recommend buying it now or wait for the N81? or if the N81 comes out, do you think the N80 will become cheaper?

 

As I've always said, 4600m should be the only successor of mid-range mobile video card since 8600m..

 

i'd say unless you want a laptop now, might as well wait and see what happens

while 3d mark is not the best, it suggests that the 4650 will get 2,000 more marks thean the 9650GT, and there will be an nvidia 1xx version

 

wait for the N81 because you dont want to have regret if you buy now eh?

 

Justin from XoticPC has some valuable insight!

From this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=349165

 

Neat I would have guessed though considering it's becoming the natural evolution that the midrange will have ddr3 as the high end is moving towards gddr5

 

didnt i say in this thread it would have been DDR3? Doubters where are you?

 

From the review they did on the Compal KHLB2, the 4650 seems like a beast! And the 4670 should be a 4650 with a higher core clock.

 

*raises hand*

 

ichime this card i gonna be awesome you know what else is more awesome? Theres a possibility that the 4650 could go inside of a 13" that would pretty much be ownage there the 9600gt is in one 13" notebook now(lg P310) But i think the 4650 wouldnt have a problem matching that at all.

Well buhdal at least you admitted it, never doubt the dragon

 

Ouch, I wonder why ASUS didn't use the GT 130M. Unless it's at least a hundred dollars more, many buyers will opt for the ATi version. Well, except the nVidia fans. The 4650 is going to tear the GT 120M a new one.

 

Has anyone seen any benchmarks for the GT 130 or 4650 floating around yet? According to Hot Hardware ( here) the closest I could find regarding desktop equivalents (9600 GT vs 4670) show the 9600 GT outperforming the 4670 in every test. I won't claim to know exactly how they will translate as mobile cards, but seeing that the 130 GT will be a faster 9600 GT and the 4650 would, assumedly, be slower than the 4670 it seems straightforward to guess that it will be a similar situation here, no? Please, correct me if you think otherwise .

 

my guess is the nvidia (weaker im assuming) will be around $1000, and the ati about $1400

 

Quick OT shout out to another Milwaukeean.

 

Woot! Woot!

 

are you waiting for n81?

 

if newegg offers me my money back, yes, i will take the chance on the price of the n81, seeing as its the 4th, and im assuming i will have money on the 20th...
if they just offer me an n80-x5, id be dumb not to take it, because it would have been $850
If they offer me anything else, i will throw a fit and demand to talk to a manager, because i will not be given anything less than i ordered (or i'd be ok with a refund)

and any one who saw my OT post, i found a temp laptop, so not more rentals!! woot!

 

The mobile 9600M/9650M/GT120M/GT130M uses a G96 GPU, found in the desktop 9500 GT. The desktop 9600 GT's G94 GPU is used in the 9700M GTS and the 9800M notebook video cards. You'll need to compare a desktop HD 4650 and a Geforce 9500 GT.

 

OK, that totally makes sense to me, but when I was digging around some more I've found some more info to contradict that. According to THIS article they say "NVIDIA_G94.DEV_0626.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 130" which I'd take to say G94=GT 130, right? Or does that, again, only apply to the desktop variant? See, I've seen other info that states what you've said, like HERE. The problem is that even on Nvidia's own website they list the GT 130 in the notebook section but make no mention of it in their desktop section. Wouldn't the renaming have already happened on the desktop side as well? Man, I'm seriously confuzzled.

 

That's the desktop card. The mobile version should have an 'M' following its numerical series identification.

This is the mobile version: NVIDIA_G96.DEV_0652.1 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 130M"

 

If i am correct, the 130m should be about the same as the 9650GT...
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-130M.13789.0.html

 

Ah, OK. So is the ATI 4650 actually the same chip in both desktop and mobile variants or is Nvidia the only one holding the confusion hammer? Well, assuming that I'm not getting tripped up again (which is very possible) I've found some benchmarks of the desktop 4650 vs the 9500 GT HERE. I took all the benchmark scores and averaged them out for each card. Then I added another 17% to the 9500 GT to account for the extra speed in the 130 GT as said to us by Nvidia. My admittedly haphazard results show that the 4650 would be just under 18% faster than the GT 130 if tested at the same resolutions that Mad Shrimps used. Pretty remarkable difference, really. Now I wonder how the batter life for each will compare...

 

AHHHH!

when are these coming out! i want one already. especially after seeing the Compal KHLB2 review.

 

Get in line. What's the chance that an LED/High res screen is available for this? I'm talking 1680x1050+

 

On a 14 inch screen? Never!

1440 x 900 is the highest it will likely go.

 

sadly, this is an accurate view THOUGH i think the time is coming now for high res 14".....i guess you can just say thats an educated guess

 

If they go 14.1" 16:9 like MSI, chances are you're gonna get an even lower res... 1366x768! For 16:9, the only other res I've seen is 1920x1080, which I doubt you will find in any laptop less than 15.6".

Wait just realized the Sony Z has 13.1" 16:9 and 1600x900 res... kinda overkill, hopefully more laptops will have that res since that's a good balance but Sony is the only laptop with it, and it's only on their 13.1" model.

 

Between the N51TP and N81VP which one has the better battery life? I'm thinking of picking up one or the other but not sure which one yet.

Also can these Asus models be configured with extended batteries?

thanks!

 

if the n81 has 16:9, i will call asus and request a manager and yell at them...
just saying

 

what do you guys think the n81 w/ a ati4650 will cost?

 

lol thats is the asus manager even speaks english haha.

 

bahaha, forgot about it!



@person who asked cost

I was told by a source $1,000-$1,400

 

i honestly think this notebook is gonna start at $800 im gonna keep my hold on that.

 

im guessing the Nvidia version will start there maybe... the ATI will be atleast $1000 imo

 

that cant be true ill explain why ATI GPU's are WAYYYY cheaper then the nvidia GPU's the only reason i can see it being more is because of its a new platform.

For example 9800 GTX SLI is like an $800 option but a 3870 crossfire is only $250 option!!! Think about how much of a price difference that is the 4650/70 is probably only(if you had to pay for the option) gonna be about $100 thats really cheap. We'll have to wait it out i expect 4870 crossfire to only be around $400 at release.

 

hmm, well, they won't have a less powerful version for more... so maybe the ATI will be paired with crappier CPUs... which would suck

 

im interested in seeing if puma 2 will actually end up in this thing im interested in seeing the performance. Though the core 2 will more or less be better.

 

stupid question, ATI notebook GFX = AMD proc?

 

well you can have AMD + ATI combo where AMD claims that there CPU's run better with ATI graphics though I dont believe that. Also alot of AMD + ATI notebooks you can disable tha ATI GPU and use the intel GMA.

 

He means Intel + AMD/ATI and you can disable the AMD GPU to use the Intel graphics to save battery life. Just like Puma. But can you crossfire a 3470 with the Intel GMA?? no..

But then again this is Midrange graphics, not entry level. As far as I know, the 3470+3200 HCFX still doesn't beat a single 3650. Correct me if I am wrong though, because if you can get a AMD 4500 + chipset for a crossfire that rivals the 4650 or 4670 and fit into a 12" or 13" with an led and an optical burner, that would be a nice little road warrior. They just need to drop the 45nm chips in with ddr3 to save power and increase performance while lowering temperatures so that they can start competing with Intel.

/rant



^bump^

 

i would like to see a p8600 and a 4650 (or 4670) in a $1000 laptop

 

i think thats gonna be possbile it will also be a DDR3 GPU

im still surprised the 9650 GPU they decided to put in was only DDR2.

 

Well, then i hope newegg gives me a refund rather than a laptop xD

 

any update on that situation?

 

why isn't it your decision to do so?