G51 at XoticPC

The Sager's barebone base price from Xotic includes the price of the P8700 which does not come in the notebook but Xotic themselves have already added to the base price. The T9600 is an additional 130 dollars just like if you were upgrading.

The asus is an ensemble the sager is a barebones preconfigured by xotic at a price not sager. The sager unlike the asus does not come with any cpu when it arrives at xotic.

 

no no i know, a t9600 is a t9600, doesnt matter it should still be the same price, they are still selling me a new cpu, its odd that the asus one seems to be much more expensive, i know its not xotics fault or anything but its stupid that asus put the q9000 in one and the t9600 in another and decided to up the pricepoint 367$

well hell, if i am paying full price and they add the t9600's full price they should give me both cpu's

 

Quote from gentechpc tech support on the matter. Hopefully i wont get yelled at for it.

Situation 1 ASUS, comes with a Q9000. They offer to change it for you SAVING YOU from voiding the warranty, full cost involved.

Situation 2 Sager Barebones, It arrives at Xotic no cpu no ram no hard drive. They decide a base config this cpu this ram this hdd. They set a price for it, this more then it cost when sager sent. They offer upgrades to that base config at the cost they would cost additionally. They are stuck with no used parts.

It makes 100% clear sense that they are charging you 376 dollars for the T9600 with the sager still. But this is only 130 additional to what the P8700 was costing you. One way or another in this situation you are still paying full price.

The only way this could be made clearer is if xotic offered the sager at the price with no cpu, ram or hdd and then let u add the price one by one. It would still be the same price you just see it differently. With the sager there are no used parts left over there NEVER was a P8700 in it.

 

thanks clutch

i was wondering the same thing

 

the sager ones come with a bse price with low cpu's, if i decide to upgrade the cpu they charge me the difference, replace the cpu and send the laptop to me.

with the asus, they have a base config, charge me full price for a new cpu (not the difference for an upgrade), keep the q9000,put in my t9600 and send the laptop to me? Am i getting this right?

 

I think your pretty close to understand if not already, let me re-explain in more detail. I think we did bring up something i never covered, they as far as I know keep the stock cpu, not sure if this is always but ask.

ASUS - Comes with a cpu, they will upgrade it, authorized by asus so no warranty void. They charge full price and do not subtract the possible value of the used part as there is a risk.

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Sager - When you order your sager and they go to work on it. Its has no cpu ram or hdd in it still. They pull a brand new empty barebones off the shelf, unpackage it. Install the cpu ram, hdd and any software you ordered on it. There are no parts removed except maybe the optical drive if you ordered an upgrade, most barebones have an optical drive.

So while the base price your looking at for the sager like the asus, includes the price of specified base cpu. It is not in there, it is also on a shelf brand new in its packaging. If you decide you want the T9600 it is also on the shelf brand new in its packaging. The price on the website for the laptop covers the P8700 in it the price for the T9600 130 bucks is additional to the original cost of the P8700.

Does that help with the sager? The sager being a barebones is a different situation. Sager sells empty computers to Xotic. The P8700 isnt easy to get ahold of if your not a company but the P8600 sells for about 200 bucks so thats a good judge on it.

Edit to add - Buying a barebones based sager from xotic is similar to ordering a pc from hp or dells website. As opposed to buying a prebuilt and sending it back to the manufacturer for upgrades. In fact in comparison some car companies that actually take custom order rebuilds tend to keep the left over parts unless requested back as part of the deal.

 

right, so its total BS

 

If they keep the left over cpu on the ASUS, yeah most people would say that. If not then thats cool. I would ask each store if on your custom order because you are paying full price can you send me the cpu. The owner of Xotic is on here so what better person to ask, he will probably kill me for starting a trend but oh well.

But buying that sager is no different then configuring an HP and checking the box $100 for the P7450 over the T6400 even though the P7450 is actually a rip off where as the T9600 is an actual improvement.

 

HURRAY WE HAVE FINALLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT!

 

LOL, but you understand the sager better right? I have to look on that page it might actually make say someone say if they dont know its built from a barebones.

It doesnt hurt to ask, it does leave them without something they can make a little extra on the side. The Q9000 is worth a bit to someone say with the RX05 wanting to upgrade. At the sametime the one difference between then doing it and you doing it other then missing something to sell is they are authorized todo it without voiding the warranty.

Its always cheeper todo it yourself, especially if your buying used or from ebay, but leftovers aside some people actually want their warranty as it might save the same amount of money down the road.

 

right but if im paying full price for a new cpu and not an upgrade they best be sending me both.

 

Unfortunately it does not work that way, I have E-mailed that exact same ? to retailers that upgrade cpu's and they all say you get only 1 cpu.

 

We should boycott that because that is total BS!

 

You go ahead the rest of us will be peaceful and either do business the way business is done, or do it ourselves for cheaper and risk the warranty. You know you can buy your own barebones and put in your own, cheaper, used, ES components.

 

when you find a g51 barebone you let me know

 

They don't make them .... you might be able to contact a Reseller and have them strip out the parts n give you a discount but that is as close as you will get

 

thats why i said it, xotic said they would not do it

 

Try Ken Lee over @ gentech he is very customer orientated

 

ok, thanks

 

Even ken who just mailed me a sweet present cant really do much for you on that one lol. The Clevo M860/865 barebones are 15.6 inch and carry a 260M and oh run cooler than the G51 so uh think about it k?

 

up until the g51's release i was 860tu all the way but if the g51 is at the right price, i may be enclined to change.

 

well if he can't no one will he is a cool dude and will actually help people

 

www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuid=9366651&type=product&id=1218092150636
This is a barebones as you get
just remember swapping out youur CPU in this model voids your warranty

 

no dice, i asked

^IKAS
i would but the resolution is total poop

 

thats suck have to pay more for a dual core. might as well stay with the quad

 

Went to BB the other day to check it out on person and honestly it's not that bad... for gaming.
But I can understand if you are a power user or Photoshop enthusiast that the low resolution is limiting in some of those applications.
But hey what do you expect for a $1000, it's still a pretty good deal

 

But the quad they are offering is no gem. $350 more for a decently clocked duo over a 2.0 Quad is not economical.

Hopefully Newegg comes to the rescue, because the 2k for a decently clocked G51/G71 Duo means shopping elsewhere.

 

I think the highest Quad supported by Asus is the Q9000 in both models , resellers will offer more options above and beyond it though.

The W90 is the same way and it has a cooling solution more then capable to handle a Qx9300(Overclocked) but the most Asus offered was the Q9000 in it as well.

 

Would XoticPC pricematch GenTech's $199 Blue-Ray vs their $279?

 

Ask them, if not, then depending on how loyal a customer you are that makes a decision where to go. But if they are paying 250 for the drive, then typically they arent going to be able todo much for you. They might see their competition and start sourcing an equivalent component for the price their competitor is buying it at or cheaper if possible.

You can only afford to price match something when your profit margins are high or your risking losing a high volume customer such as a business.

 

yeah it seems that the g51 (at least the ones other than BB) are a total rip-off from almost every angle

 

Well of course, any new electronics product that is released always cost more at first then after the initial hype for a product cools down usually we see price cuts.
Yeah I was little shocked at the price when i configured mine, the BB model is looking better and better every day

 

i would have grabbed that thing when it first came out, but the resolution held me back, im a hardcore gamer who plays on 1280*1024, so any lower than that is a step down for me.

 

is it possible to change the screen later? I'm gonna wait for the newegg model to hit. IF it's like a gazillion dollars like the other reseller versions then I'm going to best buy

 

not likely, at least not yet

 

You can easily change the screen the hard part is getting one that would fit.
It's a little tricky finding a 15.6" laptop screen with the 16:9 aspect ratio

 

First part is true, but second part considering 15.6 inch and 16 inch genre's are pretty much devoted to 16:9 screens, not as true. Its the reason why there so wide. The G50 was avaliable in both but the chassis was still 15.6.

Its presumable they are still using AU Optronics and Chi Mei.

 

Not sure what brand LCD screens they use since I don't own one yet but I did a little checking around and have come up with nothing but this so far not even sure if it will fit but will do some more digging
15.6" 1400x900 WXGA from AU Optronics for $200

 

soo.. can we replace the LCD with any other 15.6" ?

Can I use one 1920 x 1080 Full HD "Chi Mei N156O6-L01" for example?

 

I can only tell you what panels actually came in it. Hard to say what ones can use the same inverter and have the same plugins. There should be others that bolt into the chassis just fine though. Motok was investegating that because his screen got broke.

 

Yeah for the price and the heat i might just get the G50vt-b1. I live in Phoenix so it gets really hot(100+) and keep I my house at 80. So the heat issue really worrys me.
but i'm not sure about the 9800GS in it...

Edit.. also it only has a 1.3 mp cam!!!

 

If your going to go for a G50, while id never tell you not to buy it. I think maybe you should look at the NP 8862 avaliable from GenTechPC or Xotic. Frm what I know about it its cooler.

Base price starts below the G50VT-B1 or the G51VX-A1 and it has the 260M. Pushing the cpu up to a T9600 to beat the B1 leaves it still cheaper or Q9000 of the RX05 still cheaper. The 1080P screen upgrade is 175, so u can have the B1 res or go with the 1080P of the G51 for about the same price.

The big problem with the sager is the base price includes a 250 gb hdd and 2gb of ram, while cheap to upgrade on the site you couldnt do it and the 1080p screen and come out ahead.

 

i agree with ya there 8662 would be cheaper than the g51(at xotic) and the g50vt-b1.

 

Well money isn't a huge problem but don't want to pay for something thats not worth it. but what about the np5797.. but is a 280m worth it and I don't care about a 17in screen. i just hear a 280 wasn't worth it plus I'm still worried about heat.

 

280M is a significant improvement over..... anything nvidia except dual 260M's. Its not a necessary thing in life but if you really want to play everything current and next year at the limit, you might want to fetch it.

Former ASUS turned sager owners seem to be really impresses. I dont particularly like some of the designs straight out but the bang for the buck performance is dead on.

The nice thing about the Clevo Based Sager Barebones that GenTechPC and Xotic sell is you can affordably configure what you want instead of picking costly upgrades or doing it your self later sans the warranty.

I prefer the NP5797 keyboard and chassis design cosmetically the price starts kinda high and the same issue as before 2gb of ram and 250 gb hdd to start on the base price, once you try to bump up the processor we are talking serious cash. For that kind of money you could take the 8862 spec it out nicely and run cooler than the G50/51 ever will as well as be more portable then the 5797.

People telling you the 280M isnt worth it, if they dont own it are probably comparing its 3dmark06 score which doesnt matter to its actual dx10 performance which isnt tested by the 3 year old app unless all your games are old and dx9. If you point me to enough owners with it and having things properly setup i might change my mind on it, till then lol.

Problem is graphics cards havent really gone all that far in recent years, so is the 280M a killer compared to the 260M, probably not but it is an improvement and the chassis it comes in is price right for a 260M but comes with a better gpu the 280. The G71 in similar fashion from a reseller might only go for slightly less than the NP5797 where you want it.

 

thats up to you, there is (normally) a 300$ difference between the 8662 and the 5797 so... i can assure you that you are not paying for something that is not worth it with a 8662. What games do you play and how long are you expexting this to last you?

 

Well your also paying for the full keyboard, the 17 inch 1200P screen (subtract 175 mentally because the 1080P screen upgrade in the 8862 costs that much). PLUS your getting the 280M so 175 for the screen say another 100 for the video card that leaves 25 mentally for things like the keyboard.

There is your 300 dollar difference and its not just a video card.

If you want to spend 2 grand though and dont mind 1440x900 the Alienware M17x from Best Buy with Q9000 and Dual 260M GTX's. M17x owners are saying this thing runs ICE cold even dual gpu's which btw each have their own fan. Be prepared to carry 11 pounds only needs 2 straps to double as body armor.

 

Well its more a desktop replacement. but I'll save this for when im more ready to buy and start a thread in the the right area.

 

We will be here and there will probably be more around by then too. Unfortunatly the M15x is currently older then old in the laptop world its a few years ago lol still santa rosa even.

Hopefully they will come out with something nice and affordable, can you believe alienware charges 150 bucks to upgrade to 4GB of DDR2 667mhz..... i can get enthusiast DDR2 800 in 4gb for 50 bucks lol. The only thing not overpriced on that outdated model is the screen upgrade everything else is pure fail.

You have ASUS, Sager and if you like tanks and have 2 grand the Alienware M17x around at the moment. The M15x should have a good starting price if they keep the upgrades within reality then look into it. If not the current prices are 2 to 3 times what the same parts cost retail.

 

XoticPC now has the QX9300 as an optional CPU when customizing.