How's your Asus G51?

That's great! Really looking forward to multi on this game. I hope the a1's q9000 @ 2.3Ghz will be decent.

 

ummm im sure this has been posted and i looked @ pics

the GTX 260m is MXM 3.0 right ?

sorry for bothering .... just seriously considering one ......and if its MXM 3.0 ill pop in a nice new 40nm GPU later

 

The G51 uses the upside down MXM 2.1.

 

ok

thanks

 

Asus and their dangnabbit proprietary cards.

 

Oh well. Sadly, that's how most manufacturer's are...

 

^ The language of notebooks that I wasn't able to understand..

 

I don't understand the specifics myself, but here:

MXM is a way that a graphics card interfaces with the computer. There are various versions, including the aformentioned 3.0 and 2.1.

In the "upside down MXM 2.1." GPU Soviet mentioned, Asus has a habit of making weird cards for their notebooks, notable they're just that, upside down when compared to, say, something inside a Clevo.

Hence an Asus laptop would only fit an Asus-made GPU.

 

Thanks! That cleared much of my doubts.

 

It's why u flip the mobo over in the case ...

 

lol, good idea!

 

so basically if i want to upgrade my video card in a couple of years i'll have to buy one from asus directly?
on clevo notebooks is that way as well... since you don't come around notebook video cards off-the-shelve anyways
but clevo charged something like 400-700 depending on the model, plus you had to send in your notebook for a mobo rev

 

no that is entirely correct

you only need a mobo revision in special cases
and prices will range from 250-600 $ as they are not cheap and/or readily avaliable

you can get GPU's from alot of places but they are not mainstream yet

and there are few ODM's for MXM GPU's

but MOSTLY clevo and others are now standard MXM

EX i can take a 280m gtx out of the M98nu and put it in my M17x

 

I configured a Sager 8662 to the same specs and warranty as my X2A and it came out to be well over $2000. I paid $1579 for mine + $155 bing cash back. Sager = overpriced and it doesn't have a nice keyboard either.

 

Pricey? Yes. Overpriced? No.

 

Overpriced relative to a G51. You don't get anything extra with the Sager vs Asus.

 

cept a cooler GPU

 

5150Joker. I dare you to say that in the Clevo forum.

 

heh .... it would be like sayign the M17x is better then the M98nu .....

 

I don't want to PO the Clevo guys more than they already are. I'd hate to have my left hand burned each time I try to type

 

As long as the side vent is taking care of the GPU heat, it's all good. Better than burning my hand each time I lay it on the palm rest. I read a post in the Sager forum where a guy posted all these "how to type" schematics and videos. According to him, nobody should complain about the heat emanating from the palm rest because a proper typist never rests their palms while typing...lol x 10! Sager was a contender for me up until I read that thread.

 

You're hands shouldn't be touching the palm rest when you type to begin with. This is basic typing ergonomics.

 

Whether it's ergonomical or not is irrelevant. My hands shouldn't be scorched if I choose to rest them on the palm rest.

 

I don't consider scorching my hands as a form of rest. You know the palm rest is hot, so don't touch it. It's as simple as that.

 

Neither do I.

That's a weak excuse for a badly designed product. Not everyone is going to follow the ergonomics of typing, I'd wager that most do not. I chose not to buy the product, that's how I will avoid burning my palms. Imagine if pacemakers jolted a person each time they tried to rest--I'd have patients at my throat. The kind of design flaws that are allowed to pass in consumer electronics is ridiculous.

 

Screw egonomics when gaming

 

I agree. I don't pay attention to the ergonomics of how I'm typing when gaming and I'd imagine most people don't either--maybe Soviet and that other guy are exceptions.

 

Then make a thread in the Clevo forum. The M860TU users should be able to help you with this more than I can.

All notebooks have warm or hot palm rests. I don't know how subjectively you are using the word hot or scorching, but I also don't know if you have had enough experience with the M860TU first hand to state that opinion.

My Clevo D400V, M38AW, and M570TU all have warm palmrests. None of them are hot to the point where I would need to lift my hands.

 

Why should I bother? It's not my problem. Having something that's 60C right beneath my palms isn't exactly a comforting thought.

 

I'm going to get a Logitech G13 hand controller for gaming. I think having my hand on the WASD keys on the notebook would be an awkward position and also I don't want to ruin the keyboard over time.

 

Palm rests don't get as hot as 60*C. That's insane. I'm aiming a temp gun at my M38AW's left palm rest right now and it is barely passing 28.5*C. It doesn't matter if it isn't your problem or not, 5150Joker. What you are doing is falsely accusing the M860TU of having unbearably hot palm rests.

 

I Argee with soviet ....

 

This isn't a false accusation. I've read multiple complaints of unbearable heat coming out of the palm rests. Case in point: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=397267 Other 8662 threads have similar complaints.

So oops, I said left when it was right.

 

Again, this is very subjective. And I'm going to give my own opinion as a counter example as I have personally felt the M860TU palm rest. It isn't as hot as users describe it to be. Is it unbearably hot? No. Is it warm? Yes. It will eventually make your hand sweat if you rest your hand on it after a few hours of gaming, but that mainly because of our body heat heating up the palm rest as well.

stevelin91 didn't touch on the palm rest subject too much, or even at all. He also only has three posts, which makes me question his credibility. We also don't know what the ambient temperature was for him.

kevindd992002 on the other hand lives in a tropical country where it is over 90*F in his home every day. He is one of the few people who can reasonably say that the M860TU gets unbearable.

 

True, it is subjective (to a degree) since people have different levels of heat tolerance however it becomes a problem when you have multiple complaints and it interferes with daily use. My previous laptop (SXPS 16) had a fairly warm touch pad and palm rest as a result of the northbridge sitting right underneath it. Many complained about it being too hot while some could tolerate it. The point is, an uncomfortable design should not even advance through the initial design stages of a product let alone make it to mass production. Dell is guilty of this, Clevo and I'm sure many other OEMs are as well.

 

Let me add few points from my experience.

I've owned 3 laptops and I am sure I've gathered enough insight to comment on these topics.

HP DV6000z: (AMD Turion x2 TL 60) that thing ran super hot. Poor fan would never stopped spinning.
Palm-rest would become really unconformable to a very high degree. I would actually feel the burn on my palm. The touchpad would also get very very hot and I am not even exaggerating. Those of you who owned the D6000z series know what I am talking about.


Dell Vostro 1500:
I have no words for this laptop. Before I sold this laptop, It ran pretty cool so...


Asus 50VT-X8:
Palm-rest gets warm, but not hot whatsoever.
Touchpad is not hot either.


My 2c...

 

USeing the same analogy what happened with your gpu design

 

I like this comment. My brother's college offers Macbooks for use and it has become my brother's laptop of choice. I have always been his rival and it looks like this is no exception.

 

lol, an Asus, or any other brand other than Lenovo will ever accomplish that at my school.

With the program we have, probably 75% of the people here have Thinkpads.

 

I could do without the explosion thing upon booting it up.

 

Yeah that gets annoying petty quick.

 

What Kind of bios do u have ?

 

Better than my GPU fritzing out a year down the road.

Clevo engineers better machines. Simple as that. I, an Asus user, owner, and fan, am perfectly comfortable with admitting this.

 

Better engineered in what way? I'm really curious to hear your reasons.

 

While Soviet admittedly has done heavy mods to his computer, do you see his temperature comparisons? 20 minutes on an inactive Zalman, with an overclocked GTX 280m, has him hit 74C. With my underclocked GTX 260m, I max out at 86C and stabilize at 83C.

I don't have firsthand experience with this next, but from what people have said Clevos are extremely easy to modify and upgrade.

I'm not saying any given Clevo is better (in every way) over any given Asus, but you definitely get what you pay for.

 

With the clevo they are designed with users in mind so the abiltuy to upgrade is there and it's very simple

the coolng is Always very very good

overall they put more r and d into it becuase they release gaming laptops only so they can work on a new laptop the right way instead of peicieng together something quick like the g51 where the cooling was not thought through

 

So because it has a cooler running GPU it's engineered better? What about the fact that the HDD on a clevo and sager runs abnormally hot? I sure wouldn't want my expensive SSD dying out within a year, would you? At least we've got 2 years coverage for the 260m. GPU tolerances reach 120C, even hitting 100C regularly will not shorten it's lifespan by much.

 

The G51 GPU runs hot, the Sager/Clevo HDD runs hot AND adds to the palm rest heat making it uncomfortable for some. That doesn't seem like much of a plus for Clevo. Sure it's nice they use MXM and you can plug in new parts but a lot of enthusiasts don't keep their hardware more than a year or two as it is.

 

Yes. Have you compared the G50vt (using a 9800m G[T]S) and the G51? They use the same cooling solution for a card that runs hotter.

At best it's marginally hot.

The same can be said for the GPU's heat, yes?

Indeed? Just because it's rated to nominally survive some extremes doesn't mean it's healthy.

Humans can survive for three days without water, but that's not healthy to do that regularly, is it?

 

Sorry but hitting 60C for an HDD is not marginal. Having overheated palm rests is not acceptable either.

GPU's are much more tolerant to extreme heat than most other components. They're engineered this way unlike HDDs that are sensitive to heat.

nVIdia rates the parts it designs. If they feel 95-100C is within tolerance, then it is.

Not an apples to apples analogy. I'm not defending Asus or belittling Clevo. In my opinion, both have flaws in their cooling designs and neither is engineered better than the other as some claim. What the G51 needed was a dual fan and dual heatpipe solution to cool the CPU/GPU. My old Dell XPS M1710 had it so there's no reason for these new laptops not to.