How's your Asus G51?

The issue doens't look a prevalent as we think.

And that's only for the NP8662 (and whatever the Clevo base model is).

Which part of the GPU? From what everyone says the video RAM is in no way as tolerant to heat as the core.

Let me modify it then. A human being can survive for three days without water. Is it healthy to regularly go without water for twenty-four hours?

I'm not knocking the G51 either. I'm a very happy owner. I'm just acknowledging deficiencies in design, and superiorities in other brands.

 

The issue is there, whether it's widely reported by every single user or 10 doesn't change things. It's consistently in a certain spot, not all over the place to where it could easily be dismissed.

The core may be reaching 95C, that doesn't mean the memory around it is.

Still doesn't work as an analogy. The GPU is never deprived of active cooling at any time. Anyway this argument is pointless. I'm not going to change yours, soviet or moo's opinion and you guys won't change mine so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

Some NP8662 users report no problems. A warmer HDD, yes, but I didn't see many people with the 60C drive.

Since they share the same heatsink--and don't have their own temperature sensors--that's not a safe mindset to work with.

You're reading into it too much. The important point is extremes, and the notion that because you haven't hit an extreme it means it's a-okay.

 

Wether your trying or not you are defending asus and belittleing clevo

Good points though

now

the memory bankS will bevrunning hotter then the core

btw no computer is perfect. And each have faults pick the one you like n live with it and don't bicker about which one is hotter unless it's detrimtal to the performance

 

Whoa, whos bright idea was it to have an Asus vs Clevo war without me? Give me a minute to read everything I missed. I just need time to load up the cannon.

 

Could asus have done better ? Yes

my m17x 260 oc'd to 720 1095 1385 runs at 63c max while gaming and my heatsink. And fan easily would fit in the asus


Butasus wanted to make it cheap....

 

You're not properly understanding what operating temperatures are. If a part's operating temp is from MIN to MAX, running at a temp <= Max (assuming you absolutely do NOT go above max. Since it's noise, let's for the sake of the argument say Max-1) for its entire lifetime is OK. Because that's its operating temperature.

 

So, if max temperature is, say, 120C, you would say that a card running consistent 95C and a card running a consistent 80C would both be OK when compared side to side?

I don't know. That just seems counterintuitive.

 

once it gets hot enough to semi melt the sodering eventually you will overheat it and it will die ( but you could just bake it )

 

Not all Clevo's have hot hard drives. Only the M860TU has this issue, and it is easily remedied by software means. The only reason why we see this a lot is because the lower tier members of the Clevo forums, or who I like to call the "new generation" enthusiasts, don't know how to fix this problem, or use the search button.

I can say the same thing about the G51 which has a hot GPU, which can only be remedied by buying hardware such as a notebook cooler, or by undervolting and underclocking, which we as performance enthusiasts would like to as much avoid.

The hard drive on the M860TU is located on the central left of the motherboard. The heat that M860TU users are feeling is from the northbridge. Also, keep in mind that this is a "feeler" computer by Clevo. The design is very new and hasn't been around for a while like the M570 and D900 lineage, which have both been around since 2005 and 2004 respectively.

That is a valid point. For example, on my GTX 280M, the core temperature is rated for 108*C before it downclocks and/or shuts itself down. The margin of compensation that is fixed upon my card is 8*C, meaning that anything above 108*C is will have guaranteed hardware damage, and at 116*C, my card will die a miserable, irresponsible death. However, like I have been saying since the first day I entered this forum to secretly take it over, that is only for the GPU core. The GPU memory is still very sensitive to heat, especially when breaking past 90*C.

 

Oh yes it is. The memory gets pretty toasty. Keep in mind that this is with the backpanel removed. With the backpanel on, the temps for the components will be closer. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5186707&postcount=58

Hard drives that operate around their maximum temperature tolerance have a tendency to die within two to three years. GPU's on the other hand have too many variables that can lead to the cause of failure. And for this reason alone, we should eliminate the primary factor of GPU failure: heat.

 

Soviet is right

EX my GPU's were only @ 80c in my M17 and i could overclock them to 800 925 respectively


but since the memory banks were not properly cooled the memory was unstable @ anything higher

with a fan on each GPU i pushed it to 860 / 1050 which helped out ALOT




the memory banks are usually neglected

 

We are awaiting for your arrival, The_Moo™. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=414865

 

So does the Birthday Paradox, that's why we have science. And data sheets, for electronic components. Aside from the fact that you're not defining what you mean by "OK", I assume you mean no degradation of performance for the product's lifetime - and in this case, yes, neither of the two cards should see any degradation in performance over their lifetime.

 

I was using your wording when I used "OK".

So you purport that all other things being equal, a card that runs consistently at 90C will have the same performance and lifespan as a card that runs at 80C?

 

I know this is OT, but purport? I don't think I've ever seen that used in a sentence before oO go Forge! xD

 

@ The ones that were having a discussion about the temperature of the G51.

What's the matter now? One side is saying the Asus G51's heating is an issue and the other was saying that it's fine and not that much of a big deal. All I want to know is if it's worth getting or not and why would it's heating be such a problem? Asking the owners - Is the temperature where you keep your hand really that hot? And what would the temperature of the G51 be the causer of other than uncomfort to you if it does?

And seriously, please stop bringing the names of other notebooks in the thread cause all I want to know is about the Asus G51.

 

No, I didn't say that. I said that, assuming a Tmax of 120 degrees and all other things being equal, a card that runs consistently at 90c will have the same performance as a card that runs at 80C for the entire product lifespan. The chips might be rated for 5 years, say, and one might fail before the other, but neither will fail before the rated 5 years.

And yeah, all packaged chips have a rated lifetime.

 

It runs significantly warmer than the cards in other laptops.

That being said, it's fine. You're not going to have your card suddenly fry on you in the middle of a game. The current argument is more over long term lifespan.

Very worth getting. I say that as an owner.

Not at all. It'll be warmer than other areas of the laptop, but it's not uncomfortable.

 

Thanks Forge.

 

For me, its not uncomfortable to touch, the right side of the laptop is nearly always cool, the left side gets slightly warm (this is in respect to my current hand heat).

Even when im gaming, it doesnt reach the uncomfortable stage, but if you put your finger next to the heat vent on the left side of the notebook, it kinda burns lol.

 

i love it, hate the fingerprints all over it tho... have to whipe it 24 times a day. I have g51vx a1 which is a beast at gaming...

 

It certainly is! Finally got mine on Sat. Even without tweaking it yet, it runs my games really well. Speakers are just fine for me and quite loud enough. Really happy with it !

 

Congrats, dune10191. Glad to hear you're enjoying your notebook.

Do you want to be the creator of the G51 Owners Steam group? I'd make it myself and add all of you, but I feel that it's only right to have a true G51 user have that position.

 

I was worried about the heat issue as well. So I made sure I had a cooler when I got my unit (Zalman NC2000). 2 hours straight of gta4 and gpu maxed at 75C with all 4 cpu's around 55C. This is with a cool ambient temp too maybe 18C.
Not sure if some units get hotter than others but all fine here. I do run the cooler at max while gaming mind you and the notebook fan will kick in every so often. As far as the temp under my hand, only slightly warm under my left hand. I barley notice it.

 

Thanks! I'm really impressed with it. First notebook too so coming from a P4 2.3 GHZ you could imagine the difference.

I've never used Steam so I wouldn't be a good candidate I don't think.

 

Very much so. Going from a P4 2.3GHz to a C2Q 2.3GHz is a big jump indeed.

That's okay. My search for a G51 group leader goes on.

 

Good: Masters everything I throw at it. Bad: Gets really hot. GPU 102C stock clocks. (furmark stress test)

I love it because it's everything I've ever wanted in a computer. Amazingly powerful. Or maybe I'm just overimpressed because I used to use an iMac. Mac: Crysis high 800x600: 8fps. G51vx-a1: high: 1024x768 high 55fps

What do you think of it's design and style? The design is fine. I like the lights, backlit keyboard, etc. I don't even notice the blue alien design on the back.

What were people's comments on your notebook?[/QUOTE] "it's 26 inches"
dude after looking at dxdiag: It's only 2GHz. My gateway is better.
Me: But it's a quad.
dude: oh... *frowns*

another dude showing off his 512mb geforce 5000 series gpu: Dude!!!!! I've got 512mb vram!!!! how much you got?
me: a gig.
dude: *middle finger*

 

My vote goes to Forge

Since you seem to be best buddies with him, try to convince him

 

Haha, I love it. That sweet feeling never gets old.

102*C is very hot for stock clocks. How hot does it get in your room down in New Mexico? Is your laptop on a desk or are you using a notebook cooler?

 

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Crap it censored it.
The 102C was FurMark Stress test (xtreme burning mode enable) in a room at 75F. The computer was on my lap, but I made sure the air vent was uncovered. Note that I am aware that the fancy thing on the bottom is NOT a fan... the fan intake is those vents in the middle of the bottom.

 

Whoa, I totally butchered your quote in my last post. It's fixed now.

 

Nate, even if you're careful not to cover the airvents, the airflow isn't good unless your lap comes with a Soviet-approved XPad. Try a flat, hard surface, with maybe the laptop propped up a bit with some small books.

 

I've heard there's a G51J on the way!

What are the new things with it?

I've heard they've fixed the heating issue?