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    K53TA.. The best deal ever... could be!

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by UnXpectedError, Aug 8, 2011.

  1. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    yeah, numbers or it doesn't count.

    must include room temperature.

    for instance, when my room temp is 80F, mine idles at 45c.
    During the coldest winter days, when room temp was 68F, lowest i ever saw was 36c
     
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    And here I thought I was the only one who suffered that particularly annoying effect with my K53TA. Thought for sure my vid card was starting to act up, but now that you mention it I haven't seen it do it since I too switched to 12.4 - thanks zyromkiru!
     
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    my bad!

    (don't know what room temperature is, but today is a warmer day if that helps)

    old idle: ~43 C
    new idle: 37 C

    old browsing: ~48 C
    new browsing: 39 C

    games:

    before skyrim (1.5 ghz 0.875 V): 80 C
    new skyrim (2.0 ghz 1.025 V): 74 C

    before d3 (1.5 ghz 0.875 V): 75 C
    new d3 (2.0 ghz 1.025 V): 65 C


    I think the paste made such a big difference for me because I didn't really keep track of temps before, probably burnt out the old thermal paste. I also cleaned out the heat sink, but that shouldn't have made too much of a difference because there wasn't much dust.

    had fun taking apart the laptop. others have mentioned this but the hinges for the screen are very fragile, be careful when tilting the screen after taking out the screws. actually, i recommend only tilting the screen with screws that anchor the screen in.

    had a tough time getting the keyboard to work properly. think there were some connection issues with the connector, but got it to work after a few tries and some tape.



    overall, seems like the thermal paste helped a lot (arctic mx-2). the person who did the original cooling mod used arctic mx-4, i don't know much about the differences, but it seems like both work. i'll let you guys know if anything goes wrong in the near future.
     
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    I had the same problem too, just set "Turn off the display" to Never, in Power Options (Edit Plan Settings).

    more info -> Re: Dv6 Horizontal Line Flicker - Page 2 - HP Support Forum
     
  5. atoneapone

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    that's strange. I'm on 12.1 and don't see it. But I did see it in 12.2 when I first updated from 11.12 to 12.2. But then I did a clean install of 12.1 after using atiman to uninstall 12.2 and everything is fine now on 12.1. I'm just using it like before with no changes to power options of display, so not sure what could have caused that annoying flicker.

    Also good to know that arctic mx 2 paste helps with game temps since I purchased the same MX2 cheap(1$)online last month. I don't think I'll venture into taking my laptop apart yet unless temps become a bigger problem later on. With ambient temp of 82-85F I see temps from internet usage between 42-55C, and that's fine for now.
     
  6. zyromkiru

    zyromkiru Notebook Consultant

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    Ya I thought I was the only one as well haha :D

    Thanks! I'll be sure to do this if I use 12.1 again, although 12.4 hasn't given me much of an issue when using dynamic and I won't be using the 212 mod anymore anyways. Seems like 12.4 has the same performance, etc as 12.1 but I don't know for sure so can't decide what I'll go with once I get my pc back.

    Ya the last time it happened it wasn't showing after a restart but in the past it would show up randomly after certain times but it seems like OniMask may have a fix anyways :)
     
  7. maj3stic

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    Will this laptop be able to play Guild Wars 2 on max or medium settings? Been thinking pre-purchasing the game to participate in the beta weekends when they occur.
     
  8. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    you should've repasted the gpu too
     
  9. thezhukeeper

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    oh i did. forgot to mention that!
     
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    gumba213 Notebook Consultant

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    Hey! I just got this laptop afew days ago. I installed CoreTemp and its saying my cpu is at 52C at idle! is this normal? I was searching the web before, if that would make a big difference...
     
  12. zyromkiru

    zyromkiru Notebook Consultant

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    Ya it should be able to play on medium/high. I was in the first beta but it was so unoptimized it was hard to tell the full potential of this laptop for playing Guild Wars 2. They said the game was CPU dependent at the time and from the looks of it i don't think even the cpu was fully optimized (edit: They said it doesn't support overclocked cpu's very well, and for this cpu an overclock is a MUST) but while I was in game I noticed the game was only using 30-40% of the gpu most the time. I was able to play with max settings and still get over 30 fps in some areas but others dipped below and near 30+ people in things like WvW I was running at about 5-9 fps. Since my 6650m was broken i had to use the 6520G the second time the game was available (for stress test) and it was at about 15 to mid 20's while playing. Once the game is optimized and the gpu's use 100% usage then the came should be completely playable. The 6650m should be able to play the game no problem although once the game is actually optimized the different settings may have more impact as well so won't know until the game is released.

    Medium = definitely yes. No argument there

    Like i said though I'm not sure how well the 6650m will do with WvW when near loads of other players but I would stay long ranged if need be to save you some fps drops. Also they have no support for crossfire at the moment but if they do hell could freeze over and this could be the 2nd game that actually works better in crossfire but who knows.

    Depends on how idle it is. When I have nothing running in the background at all and just let it do it's thing It usually is around 30's. But if I open firefox or anything like that it likes to turn up the heat to the 50's. Don't know how long it takes for it to lower the heat though.
     
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    Hi zyromkiru, i need your help regarding my Asus X53TA laptop. I checked my Processor performance in passmark, i am getting 1634 points in CPU mark. My laptop has A6-3400, 2gb stock RAM,500GB 5400RPM HDD. My laptop performance is far below what is mentioned in the first page of this thread. CPU MARK score =3500+. so what is wrong with my laptop? help me
     
  14. zyromkiru

    zyromkiru Notebook Consultant

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    I'm almost 100% sure you used the tools to check the mark incorrectly. If you run the program, it will do tests for almost all of the individual parts of your computer. The score for this laptop is actually pretty low if you do a score for everything and the number you provided seems about right for if you did everything. In the passmark make sure you ONLY select cpu. I did a personal test before and the cpu was over 4000 but all together was very low. You should be fine.

    Btw I HIGHLY recommend that you get at least 4gb of ram as that 2gb won't be enough for most games.
     
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    zeusakatkm Notebook Guru

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    Hello!

    The first thing I did when I got this laptop is upgrade it to 8gb of 1333mhz RAM

    Now I am waiting for a Momentus XT 500gb 7200RPM hybrid drive to replace the 5400 rpm running in it.

    Now, I have access to a A6-3420M processor for next to nothing. Would it be safe to swap in this processor? As far as I have been able to tell, the processors are identical, the 3420 just has a stock 100mhz clock increase.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks!
     
  16. TheDarkOne

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    Is it possible to turn up the fan speed on this laptop?

    Also, can anyone recommend a good laptop cooler around the $20-$50 mark?
     
  17. zyromkiru

    zyromkiru Notebook Consultant

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    ill let someone else answer your first question

    otherwise I use this laptop cooler and it's just great, has 3 settings (off, regular fan speed, fast fan speed) Although this laptop was built like crap as far as airflow goes. You'd have to mod your case if you want more than a few degrees difference. Could be more but I never had my pc on a regular flat surface yet.

    Logitech.com – Cooling Pad N200
     
  18. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    Do you really need 3ghz? Otherwise, turn it down and keep it cool.

    No laptop cooler short of a 20" box fan will work.

    I don't know if it will work, but you might try getting AMD Overdrive, as it has a fan control feature.
    But last time I tried to run AOD, it would crash.

    in the past, there were programs like speedfan, but those don't work for this.


    logitech laptop coolers are a joke. I have one similar that I got for free.
    that center fan doesn't do chit in terms of cooling.
    first, the fan is in the center, so it only blows on plastic base, and is nowhere near the cpu fan.
    second, the fan is so weak.

    I knew it wasn't going to work, but I ran hwmonitor for an hour while the cooler was plugged in to monitor temps, and yep, it didn't do squat. At best, I saw a momentary decrease by 1*C.

    99.483% of laptop coolers are just useless extra bulk for laptops designed like ours, with no vents on the underside.
     
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    asusk53 Notebook Consultant

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    Ughh, I cant find the drivers for the discrete graphics card... could use some help... i updated the integrated graphics already...
     
  22. asusk53

    asusk53 Notebook Consultant

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    AMD Catalyst™ Mobility Display Driver

    you have to select radeon mobility hd serie 6600/6700 like in the menu you select Notebook Graphic -> Radeon HD Series -> Radeon Hd 6xxxM Series -> Windows 7 64bit

    With this one you can oc your gpu
     
  23. TheDarkOne

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    ok, got the update. So is it pretty safe to OC the GPU with this.

    Also, i haven't overclocked the CPU yet, but I just played Blacklight Retribution. I was only getting ~25 fps and having all kinds of graphics issues. My cpu temp was at ~72 C. Will overclocking the cpu increase the fps?
     
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    would this power jack/socket work with the k53ta?

    NEW ASUS K53E K53S K53SD K53SV DC POWER JACK CHARGE IN PORT SOCKET CONNECTOR | eBay

    if not, this one would def work correct?

    NEW ASUS K53U K53T K53TA Series AC DC-IN POWER JACK SOCKET PORT PLUG MOTHERBOARD | eBay

    thanks
     
  25. coolwaves4all

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    Ok as you said i did the test again only for CPU mark alone with Power4gear set to high performance mode. I am getting 2063 CPU mark. without power4gear i am still getting 1600+ CPU mark when run the passmark only for cpu mark. with power4gear the cpu speed is 1400Mhz in CPU-Z with turbo upto 2.3Mhz. Btw with power4gera set to high performance mode, the HwInfo64 shows cpu running at 2.3Mhz but Cpu-Z shows 1400Mhz. why is this. I think becoz of RAM i m getting low cpu mark score. which ram you will prefer me to use i have 2 choices: corsair 10600 9CL, G.Skill 10666 CL9, both run at 1.5V. I will add 8gb ram.
    i am adding images of passmark and cpu-z
    [​IMG]
    passmark performance with all test once.
    [​IMG]
    Cpu-z with power4gear set to high performance mode.
    [​IMG]
    Only Cpu mark performance in passmark.
     
  26. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    ^ any ram of the same speed will work.
    just add another stick of 1333 cl9

    cpumark is a crappy test for the llano chip. It gives you no real idea how fast it is.

    if you can, uninstall power4gear, and customize your own power options in windows control panel.
     
  27. zyromkiru

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    Oh hell yes. OC for the cpu is a MUST, you can also lower voltage to get some better temps.

    Everything link said... also your main issue is that you didn't overclock your cpu. That passmark is taking the 1.4ghz as the speed. Overclock that to 2+ like everyone else and you will be seeing a score of 4000+

    The boost doesn't work well at all in my opinion so relying on it isn't your best option.
     
  28. coolwaves4all

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    zyromkiru, when i bought this laptop it came with 207 BIOS and without OS and i installed win 7 Home premium 64 bit by myself. To activate win 7 i used Windows loader. But after installing windows loader i updated the BIOS directly to 214 without installing 212 Bios. and on next windows boot i got a BSOD, tried to recover windows but again got BSOD. then Installed BIOS 207 again by using BIOS FLASH UTILITY and then updated to 214 Bios and then i installed win 7 professional 64bit. wouldn't this be the reason why i am getting low cpu score.
     
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    Well a score of ~2000 for the cpu at 1.4ghz sounds right. All I know is that a simple overclock to 2.0ghz is about 200% the normal strength of the cpu. I've never heard of a laptop not coming without the OS already installed nor do I think the bios would screw it up. If you really want to make sure your cpu is perfectly fine the best way to test is by playing a game and check the FPS with fraps and comparing it to what others have.

    Not sure if you use your pc for gaming or for entertainment/video encoding, etc but I'll tell you one thing, this is an AMD cpu and isn't great for everything it's used for.

    someone else is gonna have to answer i'm not smart at all in that catagory.
     
  31. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    buy it and see

    they have a money back guarantee, and it's lightweight.
    hardly any risk.

    are you sure your dc socket is broken, or is it just loose?
    if it's just loose, you only have to secure it in the case.
    Best to just open the laptop and see before buying.

    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A8-3500M+APU

    your cpu score is inline with what others have gotten. I'm using the A8 score because the A6 score is skewed due to overclock cheating. Most people have A6 because it is the cheapest, and feel the need to post overcompensating e-peen scores.

    also, if you use the 32bit version of passmark, you'll get a lower score.

    so relax. your pc is ok.

    you should install bios 212 if 214 is giving you problems.




    on another note, a new bios 214 ?! I wonder what changes it brings. Asus never writes a change log dammit.
    Comparing bios 212 vs 214, the only difference I see is in North Bridge memory configuration.
    214 removes a "memory hole remapping" option.
    I wonder what that is...
    maybe this is what caused coolwaves4all's crash.

    http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...3&id=20110131214116581&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
    the last guy in this thread has a problem with memory hole remap and memtest.

    anyhow, i'm sticking with 212. if it aint broke.....
     
  32. coolwaves4all

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    Ok i will check assasin creed II or crysis 2 FPS and will let you know if there is any difference.
     
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    well my friend has same system bought from somewhere else in india and here is his passmark score, please check his cpu mark score in stock setting without overclocking.he is getting 3475.8 score. i am sure that my turbo is not working in passmark. the score i am getting is just for 1400Mhz speed. I will check benchmark on other softwares like 3dmark and cinebench, if there is a huge difference coz of turbo then i will return this system and will get another. I can't do overclocking, coz in that i can't do my work for what i bought this system. That is my problem. [​IMG]
     
  34. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    the author of passmark recently modified the software, and adjusted all the scores to reflect truer performance.

    if you have a newer version of passmark, you will get a lower score most likely.

    have your friend use the same version of passmark 7 to compare.

    the a6 3410mx gets 2265. you should get a little lower than that. 2091 is fine.
    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A6-3410MX+APU

    when the A6 came out last year, passmark was giving overinflated scores, making it seem like it was 2x faster than core i3 when it really wasn't.


    like i said before, there is nothing wrong with your system. No need to return it.

    you can compare other benchmark scores to this-
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A6-3400M-Notebook-Processor.55753.0.html

    to get accurate scores, you can't be running any other bloatware while running the tests.
     
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    Can the K53TA support 16gb of Ram?

    Also, will it support an A8-3520M processor?
     
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    I'm a newbie at overclocking. Can anyone tell me what the FID and DID are. I kind of know what the FID is, which is the multiplier, i'm guessing. So if my CPU has a base clock speed of 100.9 and I use a multiplier of 8, my cpu clock speed would be 800 mhz, right? I know very little about PCs, but i'm trying to learn :p

    Also, what is the step by step process of overclocking? Do I decrease the voltage as low as it will go for the stock speed then raise both the speed and the voltage in small increments?

    One more stupid question(don't judge me people :p) Ok, is the bus speed the same thing as the base clock speed. I'm looking at CPU-Z.

    If you guys know of any good books I can read to get an understanding of computer components, I would greatly appreciate it XD Thank you!
     
  37. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/Versatile_Performance/K53TA/#specifications
    says up to 8gb. But you can try 16gb and let us know...

    yes, it supports a8 3520. but you may need to flash to bios 214

    read this.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-dv6z-llano-overclock-optimization-guide.html

    FID and DID are used in any combination to come up with clock speed. It doesn't matter what combo. k10stat will tell you the resulting clock speed.
     
  38. nileshtambe

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    here is simple video tutorial posted by me and files u will require are all copy and paste( portable) download from url in discribtion ....

    tutorial simple way to cpu n gpu overclock undervolt asus x53ta amd a6 3400m - YouTube
     
  39. TheDarkOne

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    Thanks guys! These guides are awesome! :3
     
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    Guys i have put the new 214 bios.. Is this one better than the 212 modded?
     
  41. TheDarkOne

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    hey, how do i change the voltage in k10stat. the drop down box doesn't have very small increments...

    Edit: Ok, I just overclocked mine to 2.2ghz at 1.0625 volts. I ran Prime95 for 15 minute with temps maxing out at 83c, no errors. Are these good results?? 83c seems alittle hot :/

    Also, I still haven't found out how decrease the voltage in smaller increments. The option right after 1.0625 is 1.05 and that is not stable, I get a rounding error.(btw, what do these rounding errors mean??)
     
  42. palehorse

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    I bought a refurbished K53TA that doesn't have bluetooth. Does anyone have a link to the proper internal BT card I could buy? or will I be stuck using an external USB type adapter?
     
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    Only way to do it would be to replace the wireless card with something like this.
     
  44. zyromkiru

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    Dont know what the rounding errors are but it's an error none the less. If you put your cpu at 2.0ghz with 1.0250 (i think that's the #) volts you will see nice results. You can go 1.0 or 1.0125 volts if your cpu supports it or even the step below 1.0 (mine wont go that far down) but you'd have to change the volts of the ones below that and I don't have the examples to show you for that but dropping below 1.05 helps a lot. The increase from 2.0 to 2.2 isn't significant either so trading about 10 degrees is a good deal.
     
  45. TheDarkOne

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    Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try it!

    Ok, Can you guys who have overclocked post your results along with your temps, so I can compare? I got mine to 2.1ghz at 1.0250 volts. Max temp in Prime95 was 76c.

    Does my cpu seem like its running a little hot to you guys?
     
  46. palehorse

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    Awesome, thanks!
     
  47. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    80's are hot.
    but everyone pushing 2.2 at 100% load will get that hot too.

    when you do gaming, it will get even hotter in some cases.

    prime95 should be run 10-12 hours. not 15 minutes.
     
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    zeusakatkm Notebook Guru

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    Thank you! I think I'll stick to 8GB for now. But, i have a Momentus XT, bluetooth wireless card, blu-ray sata drive (internal), and the A8-3500m all on the way. I will let you know how it goes when I get it all in.
     
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    link626 you are 100% right, i did a cpu mark test on core i5 2410M on one of my friend laptop and i got 2800 mark on that, but on passmark site the same cpu has 3500+ cpu mark. i think all these benchmark softwares are useless. and if i overclock my A6 to 2.3ghz, i am sure i will get the same score as core i5 2410M. would you please tell me that what version of video drivers are available on Asus site? is it 12.1 or some other version. and one more thing, i downloaded 12.4 graphics drivers from amd site. but there are no chipset drivers in it as given in Grapihics driver by asus site. can i install amd chipset driver and graphics drivers from amd site rather installing from asus site.(the only difference asus drivers has is, chipset and graphics are packed in single package, while if i install amd site drivers i will have to install both chipset and graphics seperately, am i right?)
     
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    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    with all that money, you could've just bought an i7.


    you're right about those benchmarks being useless. composite/overall scores are useless because the weights they assign are biased.
    passmark score of 823843 doesn't mean jack to me. you need to look at the individual tested components.

    you can get the chipset and graphics stuff straight from amd. it doesn't matter. it doesn't break anything.
     
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