Official Waiting for N82JV Thread

Unfortunately, the CW's GPU is a little weak. I, too, would prefer a ~14", and closer to 2kg than 3kg (or closer to 5 pounds than 6). In a previous post I already covered why no currently available laptop is satisfactory for me.

Looking at previous posts, it seems IKAS V did want switchable graphics, just not Optimus switchable graphics. I don't really see a good reason for that; the performance impact should be negligible, and Optimus will most likely allow you to switch manually.

To those of you who aren't necessarily interested in Optimus, the Lenovo Y460 is worth considering - 14", Core i3/i5 + HD 5650 and switchable graphics. Google Shopping already finds a couple of them.

 

If the 330m is weak then you'd have to feel the same way about the 335m then imo. They're VERY close in performance.

The 5650 seems to give them both a good beating.

 

Wow that Y460 looks REAL good. Hope it comes with different panel options.

 

I'm not so sure. I doubt that there has been any real opportunity to test the 335M, except in the Alienware m11x, where I've heard it's underclocked. Based on the specs, the 335M has 72 SP's, compared to 48 in the 330M, which ought to make a big difference at similar clock speeds.

Plus, while I might be satisfied with a 330M on a cheaper 1366x768 laptop, 1600x900 is almost 40% more pixels than 1366x768. That's going to result in a big performance hit.

 

@kevhuynh: Was there really a need to quote that twice?

Mini-modding aside, the Asus still has that pesky USB3.0 port which is very enticing. If the Y460 or Y560 had one too I'd be all over them, barring any heat issues. That said, the N82's also missing an expresscard slot, but hopefully we'll see usb3.0 make that obsolete.

And about that 330M vs 335M discussion...like lackofcheese said, we don't know how it compares. the 335M isn't just an overclock of the 330M, but whether or not that means anything is debatable.

 

Thought I hit edit, it's 1:20 my time. Really should go to bed .

 

We'll see I guess as the #'s I looked are from notebookcheck.net (not necessarily the best out there) and my own CW.

You can get a CW the lower res screen.

 

My prediction is that the 335M ought to be close to the HD 5650 in performance, but we can't be sure until we've seen it benchmarked outside of the m11x.

That probably goes better with the 330M, but then we come up against the other problems I have with the CW - no switchable graphics, and the price.

If the CW offered 1366x768/330M around $800, or 1600x900/335M around $950, it would be a real contender - but only for those who have no need for switchable graphics.

Benchmarks, supposedly with and without Optimus:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=868&type=expert&pid=6
In the GPU on case, I doubt the IGP was powered down, but then is it really powered down in other switchable graphics implementations?

Notably, the battery life with Optimus enabled in non-graphics-intensive applications is equal to a system with the GPU disabled, while the performance with Optimus enabled in graphics-intensive applications is pretty much equal (The difference was 1%) to a system with the GPU permanently enabled. I just don't see a noticeable downside here.

 

Alienware M11x review found here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/alienware-m11x-review/

 

If you guys were wondering, I did find GT 335M benchmarks with a i7 processor. A Chinese site took a Chinese ShenZhou A560 with GT 335M and i7 and did a review:

GT335M benchmark: http://it.sdinfo.net/article/1657/1657224.html

The GT 335M's performance should be right up there with HD 5650.

 

That's still something, and the Intel video is still going to have the ability to affect image quality somewhat. Besides which it's all a massive hack. I don't want to have Intel video drivers on my system, or rely on profiles to make certain things work, etc.

The whole thing's clever, but there's no upside for me. As far as I'm concerned, Optimus is a selling point for ATi. Heck, this is a bigger hack/kluge than SLI/Crossfire, and I don't like how that's implemented either.

 

So what will be the price for this notebook model? Sub-$1000? If not, then damn lol

 

I would guess it would be in the $900-1100ish range, similar to the N61.

 

well said! its a shame that the n82 is probably going to be coming with the 335m gt which is not as good as the 5730, but i'm willing to let it slides since it has an 8 cell battery ;D

I'll be hoping for that. The translation of price between US-CAN dollars are usually about 100-200 at this price range. Sigh.

 

I think that's what the N80 and N81 ran for too if I'm remembering right (most of them at least), and the N71 for that matter too, so seems like a safe bet

 

Ok, then now i'm hoping for is <1000 ;D. the price point at 900 seems to be almost impossible though. More impossible is the release of a 5730 with the N82 xD, thats just wishful thinking though.

 

Wow! I stand corrected.

The 335M is in a different league.

 

Good lord. I hope the display of the N82 is better than the one of the M11X which is a real mirror.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by in a different league?

The 335m was never a overclocked version of the 330m xD

 

nVidia's naming scheme is all over the place these days. Not the old x8xx for enthusiast, x9xx for ultra highend, x6xx and x7xx for medium range etc anymore. 325M and 330M ARE almost the same, but 330M and 335M are not in the same category.

 

Thats why we should aim for the ATI series. Less confusion, more performance, lower TDP...

I digress, do you guys think other colors are going to be offered for the n82?

 

I read somewhere that the white one on display is a limited edition. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was up for sale... unfortunately there's probably only going to be the brown version.

 

I'm sure the limited edition will be exclusive to forum.notebookreview members xD. Just kidding, but it was that chinese site with those girls modeling for the N61 and the N82 right? For the longest time i held the idea that the N61 was the white colored one. But maybe its just me.

 

I saw a white N82 also on another site, and but I think the chances of us actually getting one of those are pretty slim.

 

I was reading up on the y460 thread and they mentioned it probably won't have VT as an option based on previous models. I currently work alot with vbox/vmware, so would the n82 be in the same boat or is that just how lenovo does it and there for would this asus be virtual machine friendly/able?

 

I don't see how the Intel video could affect the image quality if the Nvidia GPU is the one doing the rendering. In any case, it's likely that all you will have to do is uninstall the Optimus and Intel drivers, and it will be gone.

 

^

What he said.

I expected the 335 to perform marginally better than the 330m. The notebookcheck few numbers showed that to be the case but that Chinese 3dmark #'s show it to be a healthy chunk better.

 

3DMarks still aren't such a great indicator of real-world performance, and unfortunately the HD 5730 was tested with an i7-620M as opposed to the i7-720QM used for the Nvidia cards. However, since the GT 240M is basically the same as the GT 330M, the benchmarks do show that the difference between the GT 330M and the GT 335M is not insignificant.

For real-world benchmarks, the third page of that article shows a pretty solid advantage for the GT 335M over the GT 240M.

 

There are N61JQ owners on this forum who have HD 5730 and i7-720QM, and their 3DMark06 score is also in the 7.7k - 7.9k range. Search around in their owner's lounge thread.

Anyway, the clock difference between the 330M and 335M are not very big, but 72 SP vs 48 SP is a pretty big difference. All in all, though, I'm betting the difference won't be more than 20% or so. Still, this N82 has a lot going for it, 5.07lb with 8 cell is very nice, on top of switchable graphics and USB 3.0 (I already see USB 3.0 external hard drives on sale )

 

From the lack of logic he's showing, he's just being stubborn or paranoid. Either he's refusing to back down from his previous words, or he's one of those hat complaining about mobile phone usage, worried about the radiation causing cancer. Neither of which is very admirable.

As for whether or the IGP powered down for other switchables, the early Lenovos had a problem where you couldn't use the discrete GPU and an external monitor at the same time. I'm not exactly sure how it worked, but it doesn't sound like it was the discrete passing to IGP process there.

 

crossing fingers asus release this in black and/or white and not just brown. a local website here in the philippines said that it would be released some time around march so im hoping that would push through

 

Totally agree on the different colors. The brown isnt a show stopper for me but its certainly ugly.

 

Brown=Blah
some people do like it but if that's the only color it comes in I will probably look for something else.

 

Maybe not-the new N61 starts at $900 with a Core i5, although it's using the much lower end Geforce 325 rather than the 335...so you'd think this would be more expensive, but...who knows.

The Intel video is still outputting the image, so it's at least somewhat involved. And I'd assume removing those drivers would just disable the Nvidia GPU, since as far as the system and OS are concerned, the Intel graphics are the system's GPU.

Huh? What the hell does this mean?

 

I don't see the point of all the speculation. Let's just wait till it actually comes out.

The price probably will not be much higher than 1k. Among the Chinese (Taiwanese) sites I've read, I've found some pricing estimates / announcements that puts the N61JV at "under 48000 $NT" and the N82 at "over 30000 $NT". But the N61JQ has significantly better specifications than the N61JV, and the N61JQ costs just over $1k. Draw your own conclusions from that.

 

Well, the system video output is connected from the IGP, so I guess you'd have to change the output connections to use only the discrete GPU. However, I can't see how outputting the video - i.e. just moving data from system memory to video output - could have any impact on quality.

 

Do you mean N61JV here? The N61JA was going to sell for the same price as the N61JQ here. Its specs were comparable to the JQ with the only differences being the 'downgrade' from an i7 to an i5 and the upgrade from supermulti to bluray reader.

 

Sorry yes I do mean the N61JV. My mistake.

 

I agree I don't like the brown color. Give us white or black. lol

 

The ASUS website is undergoing maintenance. Could they be adding new information?
EDIT: Well, I don't see anything new. The N61Jv and N71Jv have been on the website for a while, I believe. The N82Jv, U30Jc, and UL50Vf remain absent, however.

 

Next week more information will be finally released and the book will be presented.

 

Good old Cebit.

 

Anyone know how good the display on the N82 might be, based on display quality of previous N models?

 

Not really that good the N81.
Decent brightness, bad contrast and very reflective.
You can put a foil on it to reduce reflections, however this lower the brightness a bit.
So it is not usable (atleast not enjoyable) in sunny and bright condition.

I just hope that it will have around 250cd/m² and decent contrast this time.

 

My N80 isn't great, though I'm SOOOOO glad it's LED backlit (one of the main reasons I bought it). Panel quality is much worse than the Dell I used briefly or the Macbook or the like, though I mean it works fine for when I'm not hooked up to my external monitor, and I love the system.

N82 could well be better though.

 

Hmm... It seems like some of ASUS' laptops are definitely using lower quality displays (cost saving?). The display is fairly important to me, since I like to watch movies/videos and play games. I'll be keeping a close eye on the reviews for this when it comes out to see if any concerns are raised about display quality.

 

Yeah. I mean I think Asus' displays can really vary from one model to the next, like I guess the G73jh is really good, and I've heard some others are too, but then some of the others like the N80 are probably using a worse one to save money.

I guess it probably would bother me more if it were my only display-although if it were my only display, I'd want at least a 17" notebook, come to think of it. Just for at home after work it gets the job done at least (and like I said, LED backlighting was super important to me, and I've been really pleased with how my N80 has performed and held up over the past year).

Seems like the N82 is using an updated chassis design, so could be other differences too.

 

hey any idea if it gonna feature Intel Core i5-430M or 520M? or both in different versions?

 

I would say the 430M is more likely, though I suspect it would be configurable with either.

 

I have to say my G60VX display is amazing, I really like it.