W90 Limit Breaker Guide .V2

for the gpu? its been very random, I can do 620/960 but somebody else here can only do like 580/900 or so.

The find max on the amd tool works good, just be sure to press alt+enter after you start it to make it full screen. This should make it run in crossfire and load both cards.

When it finds the first error stop the test and back off 10mhz and you should be good.

 

I was able to do 623/965 .

How about the cpu though ? Should I stick with turbogear ?

 

turbogear or setfsb, they do the same thing but setfsb allows more control and higher OC.

I can do 2.7ghz 100% stable and about 2.8ghz bench

Seems every user so far was able to do 2.7 except one person I think had to do 2.65 for fully stable.

 

Hmm, do you think CPUZ is accurate when it says the q9000 is a p7350 x 2? if so then what you could do vic is get some of these

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Intel-Core-2-...66:2|39:1|72:1683|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50




Instead of blowing a whole in a q9000 you can blow a hole in half a 60 quid cpu

 

no its just not reading the cpu right. its a q9000 seen it myself when I tore down my machine to redo the thermal paste.

looks like the W90 came with AS5 installed though, was no real need to replace it. I only did it since I had a free sample of ICD, but from now forward I plan to buy ICD instead of AS5 for my TIM.

I was able to replace the thermal pads in my gpu's with the ICD and I have a feeling it works much better, but it didnt effect my card OC and I cant really see the temps of the ram and stuff.

 

Hmm, is ICD that new compound? I need to replace the thermal pads too at some point, , and i have a feeling they did a lousy job on the CPU paste (1 core fluctuates above the others strangely)

You had a browse through that SPD tool? Since my timings are loose i may remove the 5-5-5 stick and leave in the 6-6-6 one to see how far i can overclock it.

 

The OCZ Vertex is SCREAMING fast. Using an SSD makes quite a noticable difference.

BTW... I'm on 64bit now on the Vertex. I'll figure out what to do this weekend about booting back into a 32bit system.

NOW to try the drivers!

 

just setup shop, going to download it now and see what I can do. I should pull some ram out incase it doesnt work so I keep some working ram but I am too lazy right now.

:'( wont work. Loading the program I get an error that no memory modules are found invalid SMBus driver.

Shame I really have a strong feeling that my OC is memory related and this was the only solution, faster ram will still boot at lower spd timings, so writing lax timings and then OCing the ram is the solution.

 

Update: version you linked last add was ICH9, W9 uses ICH10.... just for the sake of things I googled SPDtool ICH10 and found a new version!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=20349

This one is working, I think its loaded and I just opened the first module timings, going to go work on it now and post back later.


update: the tool cant read my memory right or I just dont know how to use it.

I see nowhere to change my spd settings, there are places to change the EPP profiles but my ram does not support EPP and those are undefined values.

I tried to change one just to see if it works and it didnt (ram still worked yay) I only saw one field that may help me "supported CAS" default is 4,5,6 and I changed it to 6 only but it didnt work. Also I got a checksome error and a bunch of validation errors but I ignored them and tried it.

I then flashed it back to stock based on the read of another module and got a bunch of errors again. I think my ram is ok and back to normal but I also think this tool is not going to work for the W90 or this ram.

I'll have to try it on my EEE one day and see if its different.

 

Hmm dam shame, but lucky for us there is 1 more tool! In German i may add so i will translate the description and post it (when i remember the link).

They should have just added ram timings to the bios damit, would have made our lives easier.

Maybe you can get some cheap hyundai sticks (with high timings) for mega cheap.

Actually the chat system with some friends still has the link, the tool is called memset.

http://www.hardware-infos.com/downloads.php?download=15

Basically the description says what i predict that google translate says...

If you have an Intel or AMD chipset, (new and old systems) and are failing to find a tool with which you can set the timings of Windows Ram, memset has exactly the right tool found. The tool is compatible with Intel Chipsets 865,
If you have a Intel or AMD, but also new systems called his own and so far in vain looking for a tool with which you can set the timing of its Windows Rams move may memset has exactly the right tool found. The tool that is compatible with the, Intel 865, 875, 915, 925, 945, 955, 965, 975, P35 and X38, and AMD chipsets 939, AM2 and AM2 + cope, allows up to 12 different Ram timings to be set.

If a timing has been set too low, the system will freeze and there is a reset button that allows for easy restart. You shouldn't need a CMOS restart as the only changes that take place are in the software not the bios. To ensure that the program itself works, you have to read the "Readmefirst.txt" file.

Thats a rough prediction, but it may be the tool i've seen in action before, in that case its a tiny interface, with the ability to stick any number you want in the associated ram timing (i really hope it is this one to be honest.)

We should be in luck, i think x38 is one of the newer chipsets, newer then the ones we have anyway hehe.

 

I want to say the W90 is PM45, I already tried memset though it lets you change all timings except the CAS and thats the main one I need to change as the others have very little effect on stability compared to the CAS.

Im afraid next time I boot my W90 it wont come on as if I messed up that one stick of ram I dont think it will take effect on me till I try to boot.

 

Yeah, its always daunting after every major change to your system, you just hopes it will boot up.

These dam timings though, i tell ya, what about thaiphoon burner tool? I dont know if its dated or not, i saw it come up at some point.

 

Hi vic,
I do have the QX9300 and the ram was booting up at 667 so i just called ken at gentech to know if it was coming from the fact i installed 12Gb, he said it had nothing to do with it, just set the TURBOGEAR in the bios to DISABLED and then restart system, and then wow magic, ram booted back at 800Mhz...

 

Yeah, I can see why. They leave the ram underclocked some to leave room for the cpu to overclock.

I will have to see if this helps or hurts my OC or if it has any effect on the Q9000

 

With all this speculation about memory limiting the CPU's OC limits, I wonder if apple memory would help. Kingston has DDR2 SODIMMs for apple notebooks, but rated at 1066mhz rather than 800mhz:

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-1066...?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1246062722&sr=1-16

I think they're the only ones with DDR2 sodimms rated that high.

 

Did someone try to put gtx280 SLI in this notebook? since it says it is a x38 chipset... maybe it would work better?

 

I'd still probably stick with ATI to be honest, nothing major from 280 GTX Sli configurations yet.

It'd be awesome if it had two 4850's though with clocks at 580/1125

Thats a good find and idea ik, crucial also have pc2-8500 memory, its expensive and normally 240 pin i think.

 

X38 doesn't support SLi

Yeah, but that's desktop memory unfortunately. Kingston is the only vendor I can find that offers this type of DDR2 memory for notebooks. If those Kingston modules can work in a W90 or any system with DDR2 memory, it should theoretically allow for a bit higher overclock

 

Yeah thats true, if not we need high timing ram (which i know hyundai do) as one of my sticks are all 6-6-6.

 

Cant go off timings alone, if the timings are that loose from the start it probably means one of 2 things.

The ram was not performing up to normal par and had to be looser timings so it would run.

Or it uses different IC's all together and those IC's use different timings.

While it is common practice to sell the exact same IC's on multiple renamed brands or versions of a ram module and just increase the price based on the binned speed and its timmings, its not common to just sell a watered down version of that same IC for no reason it would just lose them money.

I strongly feel the IC's are going to be different, thus the performance will be the same or maybe worse.

 

. hmm just wondering , which one will be better for W90 32bit or 64 bit ( yes I know I know 64 bit can use full 6G ) but since there are a lot of apps/games are still using native 32 bit , will 32bit have a better support since 64bit needs simulate the 32bit ?

 

Unless your using some pretty old material it will work in 64bit.

Most 32 bit programs run in Vista fine, its actually 16bit programs that wont run, and those are very rare. If you actually find a problem with the OS being 64bit I would then later go ahead and use 32bit or, just setup dual boot with XP.

 

Good day all.

I've gone through the process, with a bit of a snag during the driver update process. I had to roll back once, before the installation was successful. I would like to double check as there may be a discrepancy with the what I'm seeing in the GPU-Z tool. The driver version is listed as 8.14, while Catalyst 9.4 is listed as well.

Thanks for the time and effort, cheers.

 

check the driver information in the device manager for the display adapters, thats what matters.

 

Provider: E-wrecked Bored Mod v4
Version: 8.600.0.0

Flashing to the Overclocked Master/Slave bios renders the system with a max resolution of only 1400x.

 

Probably because you installed the new CCC rather than keeping the original Asus one.

I would install your Asus drivers again and start over making sure to follow each step exactly. Including cancel out of the ATI installer.

 

Thanks for the guide, it worked great. Now the severe flickering in Kings Bounty is gone

 

I have three questions.
Is it possible to use your driver without flashing bios to the card?
How to check under Windows 7 64bit that both my cores of GPU are working. As was said earlier in this thread under windows 7 second core is disabled and I don't know - is it working or not?
What driver are you using - driver for mobiles cards or other type.
Thanks for answering.

 

No you cant use the new drivers unless you want it to work for one card only.

Win7 just run 3dmark vantage and look at the gpu score it will be about half of normal if it is not working, if you did not flash the bios its not working for sure.

 

How about new asus drivers. When they will be relased are they going to work with cards with flashed bios?
I have checked the modified by you inf files with the orginal one. There is quite a lot of changes. I was hoping to the same for nie 9.6 driver but its quite complicated. What resources were you using when you were creating your wersion of 9.4 driver?
I have tested also my GPU with gpuz and the second core shows quite amazing values for core and memory(7800 gpu and 64000 mem). Is this normal when this GPU is disabled in device manager?

 

Those speeds are not right or the card would be toast, so ignore it.

If the Asus beta drivers are real and come out you will not need a flashed card to use them. This is stuff we did, Asus cant/wont make you do this.

As for the drivers, I did the bios moding, the guide, and a few other things but the .inf was modded by e-wrecked another forum member that is now gone, he is the only one that may know how to make 9.6 work I think.

I was going to put time into it and learn how to do it but many other things came up that I am working on instead that I find more important.

 

Sad. It will be nice to have working 9.6.
About the bios flashing I was asking about orginal asus driver - will they work with the card with flashed bios or have I flash back the orginal one to use orginal driver.
Thanks for fast answers

 

Yes the original drivers work with the cards flashed just fine.

You will never have to flash the cards back to the stock master/slave setup for any reason except possibly if you needed to return the unit for RMA.

Even still we have had somebody send it back with the cards flashed and Asus never said anything and gave him a new unit.

 

I have two question to clarify everything.
If I flash the slave card with new firmware(without over clocking) in windows 7 both cards will be active. Am I correct?. And this will give me 15k in 3dmark06.
I have pen drive with free dos will it be enough to run AtiFlasher?
Thanks

Edit:
I've flashed firmware to the slave card. Score before and after flashing is the same. The second card stayed disabled. . Any ideas?

 

whats this news that asus is no longer supporting/manufacturing the w90???

 

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Hey ViciousXUSMC sorry to say but i also have bin having this problem and i have tried to understand your your explination were you state

" Probably because you installed the new CCC rather than keeping the original Asus one."

in this statement can you clarify what CCC means

and in your next statement

" I would install your Asus drivers again and start over making sure to follow each step exactly. Including cancel out of the ATI installer."

does this mean we should uninstall the drivers or rollback
an also are we installing the drivers from the asus cd or by letting it automatically find it on start up?

 

They will support it, but the model has been discountinued.

 

Hello,
I had to reinstall windows 7 and reinstalled the modded drivers (9.4) like i did before and in the device manager i get 4870x2M for both cards, but the second one had a yellow mark on it and in CCC it doesnot even show there is a second card... Weird, i had it all working fine yesterday and today this happens!!!
Any thoughts?

 

I never had both cards working in Win 7, its a a known issue.

A few say they got it to work with a certian method that was posted a few times in the main w90 owners lounge, but it didnt work for me on the version of Win 7 I was using.

 

I remember that it worked for me once i installed ccc 9.6.. so i'll try it tonight and let you know.

 

so with the problem that Juxtapose and i have we should reflash the GPU Bios with ATI Flash?

 

Just a little post to thanks ViciousXUSMC : it works and it's awesome.
All my graphics problem are gone and I've won a few fps \o/

 

I've been having graphic problems while gaming since i got this laptop recently.. chance upon this solution after some researching, only problem is, is it possible to have a download link other then rapidshare? i can't seem to download from it for some reason...

 

hi everyone i have to say first thanks ViciousXUSMC for the guide
but did you guys find a solution to this problem i just whent through the guide an i also got these results
am i sopose to see this as the finished results?
some guys on here had this same problem but they never posted the answer
is it sopose to look like this
any help would be appreciated thanks allot yall
i love my asus w90

 

Trust my previous experience (an XPS M1710) : don't flash the GPU bios with a modified BIOS and don't try to overclock it. I burnt a card doing that and had multiple issues.

 

I've cooked 3 7900GS cards in an Inspiron 9400 (R.I.P.) Only thing coincidental was I started using drivers from laptopvideo2go. The 3rd and final card never saw a modded driver and it still fried. Sad thing is the laptop is absolutely 100% sans the video card. It's a damn shame such a beautiful laptop is rendered dead because of a recurring faulty video card problem.

Because of this history, I'm reluctant to use a modded driver on my W90. Grated the Nvidia cards on the Inspiron/XPS laptops have a long history of burning out, but I'd rather not start that cycle again on the W90.

I'll either wait for drivers to come out or wait a few months to see if there are any long term effects of using the modded 9.4 driver.

 

how do you know if its burnt or not *bites nails*

 

All I can think of is the wrong driver files were applied (make sure you extract the modified inf files to the correct drivers folder, or that the wrong inf selection was made.

For every 1 person that has had a problem doing this, there are 20 people that did not. So it was probably an error in the process somewhere along the way. We have had one person that had a problem similar and they said they did it again following the guide slowly and carefully reading every direction and it worked the second time.

 

should i reflash the bios

 

no that is a step that only needs to be done one time.

As long as your flashed the right bios onto the card your fine.