Windows 7 GPU Overheating, please help

haha, I know quite abit about computers... I just never had these problems before.

I'm going to grab another hdd and install windows xp and vista on it and try out all my apps.

Firstly though, I'm going to replace my thermal compounds with the thermal pads, hoping that I may have misjudged the amount when I did.

Then, if that fails I'll do a clean install again with the Win7 drivers, because that was the problem I had is when I got the final Win7 all my drivers were still vista...



Currently:
GPU @ 56 idle
CPU @ 61~63 idle

 

If you knew a lot about computers, you wouldn't be suspecting a software problem. Or using a thermal pad (that's just laughable...) on a CPU.

 

Well from quite a few people, they recommended a thermal pad over the thermal compound due to misjudgment of amount to put on the cpu/gpu, as the pad has a preset amount, even though it's practically the same thing.

Also, I had to suspect the software problem because before while running the OS, the temps hit over 110 and not shutdown, but then when running 3d apps, it shuts at about a 100 now...

So I'm sorry for you that you find it laughable, but you don't have the answer either, so don't judge me that I'm suspecting *everything*, that's the first thing you should do in any computer problem.

 

Thermal pads are usually the last resort alternative to using thermal paste. What makes thermal pads good in this case is that they are stupid proof; just apply and go. That takes care of possible user error during thermal paste application.

The objective here is to pinpoint what is producing these strange numbers. I'm starting to think that it is a software issue as well. However, Metallic has yet to remove, clean, and reseat the CPU and GPU. It is all a matter of checking off variables at the moment.

 

To be honest it very well could be an over "screwed" screw that started wearing down, so maybe with a bit of heat it became quite loose and that's why the temps jump quite quickly...

Edit, well maybe not heat, but I move this thing every day so it could be from physical stress of some sort.

 

Possibly, but I doubt it. The arms that the screws hold down are flexible and are designed to put just enough pressure on the CPU so that the acrylic silicon die doesn't crack like on desktop CPU's when the IHS is removed. The arms would bend first before the screws would begin to wear down. I haven't seen a notebook that has had a heatsink screw worn down as a result of physical stress from being moved everyday.

 

Thermal pads that came are crap, tried installing them but failed, the applicator is stuck on the thermal compound. I'm getting a refund...

I went back to thermal compound, I wiped everything clean, put a little bit less...

Running Operation Flashpoint gets me:
GPU runs at 100C
Cores hit around 100~103, but ran on avg 95 during gameplay. Core 1 is usually higher by about 3~4C than the 2nd during gameplay.

With these temps, everything runs silky smooth, around 30fps (rough estimate)

I'm still baffled by this, I'm going to replace some gpu drivers... and research on the cpu temps.

The problem in all of this is that I never checked my temps until I got the gpu 110C overheat, causing extreme choppiness in any 3d app.

So is it possible that my comp ran this hot when I had it running Crysis, FarCry2, mirror's edge, C&C, back when I had vista or Win7RC?

Clearly I think this is a software problem... because I didn't touch the computer hardware at all during my changes from Vista to RC to Final.

 

Yes, do get a refund. Have you thought of investing in a Clevo?

 

Not really, isn't it high end? I buy around $1500 max
I'm actually wondering who had that 3 mini screen laptop...

Whenever this thing dies (not soon I hope), I'm most likely getting another Asus... Because it served me well... for a year...only. But I loved it more that the HPs, acer and toshiba, that I had. (Notice the s on "HP", lol) I personally didn't have all of these, but my bros, father, had them and I played enough with them to know they weren't for me... due to horrible problems like extreme overheating, motherboard failure, gpu failure, wifi failure, hdd failure, screen wash out, and the worst wear and tear i've seen.

 

$1500 can get a nice Clevo, which is upgradeable down the road.

 

Really? upgradable, more than the cpu and ram?

 

It depends on the model, but, for example, the newest W860 and W870 use MXM 3.0B GPU interfaces so technically next-gen cards would be able to fit in just fine, all other things being equal. Unlike Asus, Clevo uses true MXM format.

 

UGH, now you're making me drool for one...

that's amazing that even the GPU can be changed? these laptops gata be huge. (sorry didn't have time today to look at them)

 

For example, the ATi Mobility 4870 XT is soon to be released for Clevo notebooks. Any of Clevo's four MXM 3.0 ready notebooks can accept the new card with a mere system BIOS update to support the architecture. If you're a fan of the green team, then you can wait for the mobile GT200 GPU's which will be coming out soon in H1 2010. Because these notebooks use the highest-end cards, one can buy a new card and easily sell the old one for a generous amount of money to buffer the cost. For example, the GTX 280M can sell very quickly for $400 minimum on this forum.

 

^ I wouldn't count on upgrading the GPU more than perhaps once.

That MXM Interface constantly changes, and new generations of GPUs simply may not be able fit onto an existing sized PCB and layout.

 

Indeed it does. I do wonder why they change it so frequently

 

Easy:



They must constantly be updated because size increases and thermal capabilities (must) improve.

 

I see that but with advancements in technology; more effecient memory and cores using smaller processes and new breakthroughs performance should increase without using more power and creating more heat than the previous generation.

 

In real life, Core i7s run hot and the 5870s are massive.

 

That's quite impressive, I think that's the perfect type of laptop, portable yet upgradable.

but I can't help wondering why you guys don't have one yourselves, yet know so much? I'm assuming you own what you have in ur sigs.

 

They cost about 1.5x - 2x as much.

I would be very willing to get one, but I have no interest in Sagers or Clevos - they look dull.

I'll be buying an Alienware down the road.

 

Well im my case was budget, i just didnt had $1500+ at the time to go for a sager8690 (and iirc wasn't out either), although i have already spent more than that with the upgrades . Probably my next upgrade will be toward a sager, but atm im fine with what i have.

 

Uh.. yea, your Hard Drive costs about the amount of an entire Laptop.

 

Hahaha wow, didn't realize you guys were packing SSDs... must be nice.

I'm more attracted to laptops who have overall looks, design, quality. I seen sagers and lenovos or w.e I saw before... they looked dull, just like you said. So when I bought this, I really didn't even include them in my research, I looked at alienware, xps, gateway, toshiba... they had better ergonomics as well, especially the xps... the 13inch is a real feather weight.

If nothing happens to my current laptop, I'd wait for the next big thing in laptops other than pure specs, I liked the 3 mini lcd screen design, the demos were terrible though... or the ASUS touchscreen mini computer instead of a touchpad. I'll admit, I do fall for gimmicky stuff sometimes.

 

I love my 100GB 7200.1. It hasn't failed me yet.

 

In Rusia size dont matter .

 

Well since you really like the Asus looks, then check the G51j, i would still go for the Sager in terms of performance, but the package that asus offers is decent as well for the amount payed.

 

If he wants a notebook for aesthetics, he should get a Clevo and laser etch a picture of Megan Fox on the back of the display lid.

 

Quoted for truth.

 

Uh, that would make using it in public pretty much impossible.

 

How so? I'd walk around with a Megan Fox Clevo. It might not be good for someone as a business laptop that way, but the original "dull" clevo would be just fine in a business setting.

 

Or you can ise something that works in all settings at all times. Even an Alienware would fit the bill, Megan Fox would send the wrong message in a lot of situations (not just business).

 

It's better than having Brad Pitt etched onto your notebook.

Concerning Clevos and why I don't have one, unless Asus seriously fixes up their performance machines--which are in the category of "you get what you pay for", since they are low-budget entry-level gaming platforms--I'm pulling a Joker and heading to Klevo or Say-Jer.

 

For business situations, you can always laser etch a picture of Catherine Zeta-Jones from that scene in Entrapment when she was crawling through those laser beams.

 

hahaha SOLD!

Lol, what could be better than Megan Fox or Brad Pit? Hanna Montana! haha that'd be a real winner.

I don't mind going in a meeting with my asus, if anything it impresses everyone with the performance it packs for a great price.

I look for the overall in laptops, not just looks or performance.

 

That's the first intelligent statement I've heard all day. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5387845

 

the design shouldnt cause problems, but the constanty blue LEDs could be distracting...

those laser etched designs on sager cost like 200bucks, they are expensive. i wouldnt care that much to make a sager look less-generic.

and i find it strange, 3 cases have popped up regarding G50 model and windows 7. coincidence?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=432779

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=432084

and...this thread.

 

Well sad to see other that have the same problem, but sort of a relief that I'm not going crazy...

This is CLEARLY a win 7/driver problem now.

I thought it would be a good idea to link them here.

Thanks for the tip SACH7002.
btw, why does it say "Soon to be Banned"

 

We appreciate all the information being gathered. Although we don't officially have Win7 as an official operating system released for the G50, we will add the request to be expanded to add the G50 series together with the G51. Please continue to post your findings here so that we may have a centralized area to monitor for updates and new information. Thank you.

 

Well you know what WOULD solve all of your overheating problems?

GO back to Vista.

If that solves it, then it's Windows 7. Stay away from Windows 7.

Which is to say, if that's the case, it would be extremely bizarre. That would either mean a faulty temperature reading through an incompatibility between W7 and the Motherboard/sensor - which means your card actually isn't heating up that badly but the computer thinks so, and will throttle your card down.

Actually, there is an easy way to test for that - put your hand on the fan vent and if it's scalding HOT - OK. If NOT, then it's not actually overheating.

Physically speaking, it is impossible for W7 to be stressing the CPU or GPU. It would mean running a variety of burn tests like Furmark and Orthos at full speed ... all the time. Even then, temps shouldn't become that high.

 

the OS has nothing to do with the throttling. it is all bios related.

 

yea im finding it weird, it cannot be that they all failed, after win7. im thinking maybe a problem with software intepolation of the temperatures because win7 cant recognize them properly?

iuno, but if i were you, i wouldnt worry so much as to trying to cool down your temps. first test i would do is check XP or vista to see the temps. if its the same, then its O NOES! panic!!

btw, you never know when i write something that mite offend/irrelevant/crude/inapropriate, so i will be soon to be banned lol.

 

And I'm going to have front row seats when that does happen.

 

it kinda hard not to have front row seats when u publicize the foolishness to most nbr members. but I'll "try" to be careful...

and to panda, yes i find it weird, how is there 3 thread problems to this, but if you think logically, it cannot be attributed to win7? the only way to find out, vista/xp installation.

 

Yeah, it very well could be a bios, but I'm not even sure. I am not very knowledgeable about that area. I always blame software, because I just find it less reliable than the actual hardware.

I have this weekend to do it, so I'll grab it and see what the heck is up!

Hahaha! I love it! I didn't know it was custom!



Does anyone know where to grab an hdd support (or enclosure) to install a secondary hdd in the g50vt-x1?

 

They're out of stock as usual: http://estore.asus.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=4410&catid=606

I just used foam to wedge it into place and tin foil to ensure grounding. Works great!

 

Ah thanks for the tip! Cuze I was hoping to get it ready for the weekend...

 

It's not a bios, driver, fan, or clogged vent issue. I am the creator of another 'g-series 9800m win7 upgrade with overheating issues' thread. The only difference here is my cpu gets to 85C max (still hot as hades). My GPU will jump to around 110C before downclocking to 100C when playing 3d games; rinse and repeat.
Recently, I've propped the back of the laptop up on a couple 1" thick books and ran a light desk fan under my laptop. Ran Dragon Age: Origins for around eight hours maxing at GPU 91C (overclocked to turbo extreme), CPU never above 50C.
I talked to asus, and the only thing they told me i could try without sending it in is try updating bios. Did that and nothing solves it. I've tried several different nvidia drivers. The fan is on at all times, but the heat pipe gets soooo hot. I got my temperatures with SpeedFan.

James

 

just curious, any updates with the G50 owners and win7 problem?

 

No sorry, no updates yet. I can't seem to successfully install the 2nd hdd without a proper enclosure, I'm just afraid it'll disconnect, I move this thing from place to place, and I need it to be ready.

I have a copy of vista, but not xp, I'll prolly have to resort to a "shared" version due to the importance of this situation.