Windows 7 GPU Overheating, please help

This may be irrelevant because it'd be running under 7, but you know there's a program to boot xp with windows 7 available from the microsoft website.

 

That's via MS Virtual PC which does not have 3D/DirectDraw support unfortunately. You can't play anything really.

 

Could this be a direct X problem?

I'm going to start installing xp tommorow and hopefully have some results.

 

any updates on problem metallic?

 

I'm new to this forum (I actually made an account specifically for this thread) but I think I may be able to provide some information on this subject. I have no idea of any of it will be useful, but here goes:

Firstly, I am using an Asus G50 computer like Metallic is, specifically a G50V. I do NOT have the CPU issue that Metallic is having; however, I DO have the GPU issue, and unlike Metallic I've been unable to solve it. Any help in that department (especially a comprehensive list of the actions Metallic took to solve it) would be greatly appreciated.

Second, the GPU issue is not localized to these threads, nor to G50/G51 computers; and it DOES appear to be associated with Windows 7. After searching internet forums all day trying to figure out why all of my games lag, I found that a large number of people are having the "I just installed Windows 7, and now every game runs fine for 5-10 minutes but then lags terribly!" complaint. A few of these posters were tech-savvy enough to realize that they were having an overheating issue, and following their train of thought lead me to this thread.

After reading this thread I used a graphically intense game and a hardware monitor to see if I had the exact same GPU issue as Metallic, and I do: GPU temp increases to 110 degrees C, at which point it underclocks to cool off, causing lag. A GPU temp of 100 puts everything back to normal.This never happened to me before using Windows 7. Although I can't say for sure, I think that most of the people I found on the net with this problem are suffering from the same process, since the symptoms are the same. Whether these high temperatures are real or are somehow being misinterpreted by Windows 7 I have no idea.

If they're real, then the obvious solution (at least in my mind) is to customize the GPU fan to run more powerfully and reduce the temp before the GPU underclocks - but from what I've gleaned from forums, it seems that the fans on G50 comps are controlled by Bios and impossible to customize. (Appendix 1) If the high temperatures are being misread by W7, I have no idea what to do. Either way my games are practically impossible to play, and I'm posting on here as much to get help for myself as I am to provide context for Metallic's problem.

As for Metallic's CPU problem, it stands to reason that if the GPU issues are wide-spread and seemingly caused by Windows 7, then the CPU issue is quite likely a Windows 7 issue as well.

Appendix 1:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=321090

I've probably created a TLDR post here, but it all seemed like relevant information - I just hope that something I've said will prove useful to Metallic, and that someone here will be able to use what they've learned from Metallic's problem to help me out.'

EDIT: Forgot to include my system information: Asus G50V/G50Vt (Bought at best Buy, but all of the documentation and laptop stickers say G50V instead of G50Vt. Bit of confusion, there.) Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64 bit, before which I had the Windows 7 RC (Which I think also had the GPU issue, but I didn't know what it was at the time). before which I had the default Vista that came with the notebook (which did not have the GPU issue.)

EDIT2: Tried downloading the latest VGA drivers for my laptop (which claim to be Windows 7 Compatible) from the Asus support site with no improvement.

 

Interesting. My g1s gpu died the next day after installing win 7. I run the WEI and the next morning poof the pc died. I ruled out win 7 then cuz of the known g1s problem,but i'd say the pc would have lasted much longer had i stuck to xp.

 

My 2+ year old G1s died about two weeks after upgrading to win 7.

I think microsoft should buy me a new computer now. : D

*I never really had any problems with extreme temps after win 7, save for the fact that I had to download the "powermizer switch" (which I found somewhere here on the forums) to get the GPU to downclock in 2D. When I first installed Win7 the GPU was stuck at high-perf 3D clocks*

 

Oh my god,

Windows 7 is creating massive stress on the computer compared to XP....

This is Unbelievable.

 

If you're CPU and GPU are properly downclocking when the computer is just sitting at the desktop and idle, and your heatsinks are properly attached, then I really have no idea what could be causing such high temps. Defective heat pipe?

I really don't know how Win7 could be killing components. Like I said, even after I upgraded to win7 the only thing I really had to do was get Powermizer back so my GPU adjusted its clocks. Even running at full tilt, it never got anywhere near 100C.

 

Update:

Last night I used the boot CD that came with my laptop to switch back to Vista, and ran the same test I did before with Hardware Monitor and the graphically intense game. (Dragon Age: Origins, for those of you who might be curious; with full graphics , fighting 20 enemies at once and casting as many spells with complex graphics as possible.)

My GPU didn't get 110 degrees C and shut down like on Windows 7. In fact, in 20 minutes of play it never went above 106. Loathe though I am to admit anything good about Vista, it seems to have fixed the problem. Which begs the question...

What the #$%* is going on with Windows 7?

 

106C? Nothing is wrong with Windows 7. It's your computer...

 

Wow....



I have to say, I'm really sorry to hear about this.


With the help of Citizen Panda, I was able to solve a similar though much less serious problem. My G50VT which I bought refurbed off of the bay is cursed with a strange tendency to clock its GPU upwards at random moments, sending my temperature readings from the lows of 44 Celsius to as high as 74 Celsius. This is while my computer is just sitting there, NOT while I'm gaming. Yeah, you guessed it. It's one bipolar monster. Imagine me taping a laptop skin of some crazy hot actress.


Anyway, I was baffled initially by the temperature readings. Even with Aero running in the background, there was no reason for my temperatures to fluctuate constantly. I was eventually able to determine the heat was a result of random moments of "upclocking" while constantly reading GPU-Z's stats. As expected, there was a definite correlation between higher GPU clock readings and higher temps. Upon learning this, I followed the instructions of Citizen Panda and downloaded/installed Nvidia System Tools. After much trial and error and finally installing better Nvidia drivers conducive to modding, I ended up creating commands for System tools to follow. Long story short, my notebook rarely gets past 62 degrees while idling. I've seen it once hit 64. Even though this is just at idle, it hits that temperature only for a few moments before being forced back down (slowly, though eventually) by Nvidia System Tools' inputed commands to the mid 40s or 50's.

Even though that didn't fix the problem 100%, I can't really complain. Paid $600 flat on eBay for the refurb. Researched and researched, couldn't find a better bargain. I don't plan to keep this lappy for more than 2 years as I eventually plan to sell it and buy a full-fledged Starcraft 2 rig when the day comes.

Dunno if that story helps. Maybe forcefully downclocking your GPU at certain temperatures like I did might help. I personally set my GPU to downclock once it hits 55 celsius. When I play games, I set it back to default system settings. Played L4D 1 for 45 minutes other day, had no problems with heating.

 

It's odd how the 9800m G[T]Ss get such high temperatures. Even with my basic theme, I might spike for a few moments at mid 60s but generally in < 75F I'm in mid 40s. But like I said, I'm using the basic theme, which doesn't tax the GPU much. When I had the Aero themem my GPU-Z readout looked like the teeth of a comb.

The force-clocking workaround seems like it works, I guess. I'm not a stickler of OS aesthetics, so I just modded my basic theme and was done with it. I wonder what it'll be like if you guys with the 9800m G[T]S tried basic.

 

I may try that sometime when I get around to it. Not 100% certain it's Aero that causes the temp rises. It rises even when I'm doing nothing.

 

So you've parked GPU-Z on the desktop and just eyeballed it? You don't have any processes or active graphics running--gadgets?--do you?

 

For the most part nope. Had GPU-Z, speedfan, and HW monitor on to review max temps and clock speeds. Doubt those 3 apps together caused the thermals to shoot up. I've had the sidebar turned off and have kept Aero on. No movies or music. Even at the coffeeshop where temps went past 70 a couple of times, I just had a pdf document open for reviewing test answers.

I have to wonder just how well-timed this "heterogeneous computing" trend is. How can the corporations shower praises on the merits of giving tasks to the GPU when GPU technology in this case is shown to have heating issues even when idle? I don't hear of processors having this many bugs!

 

Sorry for that short reply guys, I've got exams... I really don't have much time to post up anything.

All I can say right now... is yes Windows 7 Seems like it is the cause, I don't know how it's possible (or impossible as others have said)

Right away my laptop was running cooler, extremely low ram/cpu usage, my fan... my god, you can't even hear it, with 7 the fan would fluctuate quite a bit from 4200 to 5000 very often (few seconds)

After exams I'll post up a neat little thing and hope to find answers.

For those of you having problems, UPDATE EVERY SINGLE DRIVER, even ones you think you have, the Win7 standard drivers are casuing probems...
Try with the Asus win 7 drivers, then try with vista drivers.

I think that would solve your problem with overheating, but not the fact that it runs hot.


Best of luck for all.

 

maybe hes right, I have the same problem when I'm using windows7... my notebook works well under Ubuntu or XP, but when I switch to W7 the system shuts down after 20-30 min because of overheating...

 

my computer is also overheating with w7 retail. ever since the switch the fan doesn't activate even when it hits 70+C. a trick i found was that if i switch to a different power profile the fan will turn on and stay on. So everytime i turn on the computer i switch to something like "power saving" then revert back to "balance" and the fan will stay on. only solution i have.

 

It got to 106 on Vista because I was TRYING to get the temp as high as possible, not because something's wrong with my computer. I was trying to see if I could force the same GPU crash occurred in W7, and I couldn't. My point is that after a prolonged period of trying, I couldn't even get it above 106.

As opposed to W7, where I didn't even have to try - I'd play a game (ANY game) for 10 minutes and the GPU would hit 110 and crash itself.

Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

 

That could be useful information for me.

 

On older notebooks there is a need for bios updates most time to make power/video compatible.
Run in to the problem on msi wind netbook but msi was fast with a fix and an oem bios patch.

 

I guess I'm switching back to Vista. Probably sell Windows 7 on eBay.

 

The fan in my computer is GPU-activated at 75C, reduces to low speed at 70C, and turns off at 45C. 85C triggers full fan speed mode and then goes back down to regular speed at 80C.

Also, what drivers is everyone using? 186.03 is the only one that plays nice with my computer. I've tried 186.81, 186.82, 189.xx, 19x.xx and none of them keep clocks down as well as 186.03.

 

Using 186.81 provided by Microsoft on Windows Vista. I switched back from Windows 7 after I saw my temperatures hit 74 degrees. Used Nvidia system tools to command my GPU to clock down after hitting 55 degrees. Keeps it from going no further than mid 60s. Got fed up with this, switched to Vista, am now preparing to sell my copy of Win7.

 

I'm running the Asus G51vx rx5 from BB. I also installed Win7Pro on it w/ 195.55 drivers. I had idle temps of 75+ on there. I switched back to Vista, still using the 195.55, same story. I don't remember that happening with the 186.82 drivers. So i'm assuming it has something to do w/ the driver, and powermizer not working. CPUz is reporting the vid card running full blast even just on the desktop, Powermizer is not working.

Have u tried win7 w/ 186.82? I certainly haven't.
WinVista + Win 7 w/ 195.55 = Hot.
WinVista w/ 186.82 = Seemed Fine.

So here comes the tough decision, Flash HW accel or lower temps? Choices. ugh.

 

Vista played nice with all my drivers afaik. I just lucked out since the Vista driver I was using turned out to be the only one that played nice with Win7. 195.55 didn't behave for me either.

I suppose one other option would be to further undervolt the GPU using Nibitor, and just accept that 7 shuns PowerMizer altogether. I've only worked with my 9800m though.

 

I've switched back to Windows Vista X64 version. As expected, the temperature fluctuations are very low, much tamer than while I was using Win7 Pro. The funny part is I'm now unable to use the touchscreen buttons that allow for "extreme" mode and expressgate. Not that either really matter to me.

Am now about to list Win7 Pro on eBay.

Still, I've noticed that the temps hit 60 Celsius on tow occasions when they shouldn't have. Even though 60's a lot better than 74, the 9800M GS shouldn't be overworking itself while my comp's idling. When I have time, I'll be using system tools to downclock the GPU to really low settings.

 

Just enable powermizer in winvista if you haven't already. Thats the only reason your GPU should be getting so hot. Powermizer doesn't work properly for some in win7, it didn't for me or forge, and I'm back on winvista with it working flawlessly. Idle of 43-47C

 

Doesn't work properly with Aero on. I'm using a modified basic theme. and all is good.

 

basic is ftl.

 

so what drivers are you using now? the 186.82 ?

 

It doesn't clock up my GPU, and I still get Win7. FTW.

 

Forge!!! I need you help >< .

What drivers are you using? and are they not causing overheating problems?
How did you solve it?

 

182.62.

If that doesn't work, you'll need new paste, copper blocks, a drill, and thermal tape.

 

Sensei, teach me the ways.

Ok, i opened up my laptop the other day, and i was dumbfounded. How do you remove everything? i was afraid to tug to hard on anything. How did you do it?

 

Don't touch anything yet. Did you try the drivers, and are your temperatures still that bad?

Speaking of bad, define bad. What temperatures are you reaching?

 

I don't know what you mean by flash HW accel or lower temps. Whatever you do, please be sure to tell us what you do!

Yes, my temps are still fluctuating in Vista though they haven't hit 74 yet...

 

Try NVIDIA GeForce v186.82 WHQL Drivers or the new (just released) NVIDIA NOTEBOOK RELEASE GeForce v195.62 WHQL Drivers

 

I'm using 186.03. If you have 64 bit and can recommend a good upload site, I'll upload it for you.

 

bah asus

my G1S had to go in 4 times before all the overheating problems were gone, and could only manage it with a motherboard with different GPU replacement

worthless

 

Where do you get the driver.

EDIT: NVM.

 

Installed Vista x64, installed 182.62 drivers, haven't used powermizer switch, but am content. idle temps go from 45-55 depending on what I'm doing. Thanks, NBR community!

 

My XP Temps

cpu: 40~
gpu: 40~

My win 7 temps

cpu: 75 idle
gpu: 60 idle

"F-this" I would say, if I didn't have all my stuff on it...

 

With win7, all the 186 series driver i tried gives me 10+ idle temperature.

The 185.85 gives me the best overall temperature.
Only problem I get with this driver is that full screen HD flash playback seems to shutter a bit, this shutter is not there with 186 series driver.

 

I'd switch back to XP if I were you. Win7 IMO was a bit overhyped. With proper tweaking, Vista runs along fine. Do what I do and just sell your copy of Win7 on eBay.

 

The only reason why Win7 gives higher idle temps is because Aero taxes your GPU while whatever theme Vista uses doesn't. I use Windows Basic theme, and my GPU might spike up into the 55C department for a few moments before dropping to the 45C neighborhood.

 

Vista uses aero as well. They are just a different version of aero.

 

hmm well i would suspect that win7 was reporting false temps but i realized u do ACTUALLY downclock so it is reaching that critical temp.

do u get same load temps in xp and vista/win7? that is critical to this problem...if u do, then we can assume aero in vista/win7 is causing much higher temps at idle as ur numbers show...if u dont, then that a whole other ballpark we needa try solve. get SS here, im sure he can think of something.

 

I don't recommend installing the new nvidia 192 driver... caused me extremely weird problems.