the new asus g51

That sounds way too low...

I know the 8 and 9 series downclock at 95c.

 

No. The GTX 260M shouldn't downclock until 108°. If I run Furmark overclocked to 620/1550/925, it'll hit 90° easily, but never at stock..

 

Oh, wait...sorry, I thought you had a G71, not the Sager. The G71's GTX 260M downclocks at 82C.

Sorry. Thanks for the clarification.

~Ibrahim~

 

Yea I'm just trying to help out where I can.

btw, I don't have a Sager.

 

Crap, Clevo, sorry. Us Americans have HP and Dell, lol.

~Ibrahim~

 

Settings were default (0 AA)

Full screen at native resolution on the machines.

 

Got it. 102C, again, is still pretty flipping hot for a chip and it is so close to its max temperature allowable for full functionality.

There has to be something wrong, just has to be...I don't see how these will last longer than a year without damage, but I'm hoping ASUS has some trick up their sleeves that will prevent that. I'm optimistic. A big company like ASUS wouldn't make such a big blunder.

~Ibrahim~

 

could you use a 3rd party warrenty on these like http://www.squaretrade.com/ ?

 

see thats why im trying to say.. all first batch asus g51s are scrwed up, I returned mine and no restocking fee, I showed them an email straight from asus i got saying they are aware of the issue send it in, they took back the laptop.. Also my G51 started not completeing full boots anymore meaning when i turned it on from a cold boot sitting on desk off for awhile, it showed vista loading screen then reseted itself and then booted up, also noticed everynow and then fan would sometimes not come on or if it did it was full blast no matter what and would not throttle down, I think asus have some issues with there first batches of g51 and g71 laptops, they might wanna do a recall!

 

Initial Testing for G71gx-rx05

Idle/Internet Browsing: Both CPU cores ~40-42C
GPU ~ 62 (a bit high for idle i believe, but then again its a hot day)

3D Mark 06 ~ 10,000
1280x720 Initial run ran fine
with temps maxing at 62 CPU, 84 GPU

However, ran into the same problem as someone else with the gpu throttling down after i started to repeat the test x3

Maybe a driver update, any suggestions?

 

search for my modded .inf file on the threads so you can install 185.85 whql mobile nvidia drivers, then at least powermizer levels will be enabled then by default, so youll have way lower temps at idle in desktop mode and then it will go up for 3d mode

 

I've heard from multiple G71 users that the GPU throttles at 82C or thereabouts. For some reason. We're not sure yet!

~Ibrahim~

 

I hope that its not the system misreporting the temp. If its really throttling at 82c, sounds like a broken driver...

 

This problem is very similar to what I dealt with, when I purchased the Alienware m15x. It down clocked. However I was able to fix it after AW released a bios update, will ASUS? Thats the question.

 

just saw that

http://phonestechnology.blogspot.com/2009/06/gaming-notebooks-asus-g51-and-g60.html

look at the CPU for the g51/g60 ... T6600 ...

EDIT: found this one too

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASUS-Officially-Details-G51-and-G60-Gamin-Laptops-115175.shtml

it says that it supposed to be released in september ...

 

http://www.zasmos.com/_e/Notebooks/sproduct/1013006659/G50VT_X8TW_Notebook.htm

possible picture for the G50VT-X8TW that is now being offered through newegg for $1000. if you dont mind the 9800M GS its a nice deal too!... how much of a difference is there really b/t the 2.. the underclocked 260M doesnt seem to be CRAZILY better in performance through 3DMark, but pulls nicer FPS.

if answered already earlier in thread sorry, plz link it in your answer or just tell me the thread page.. its a lot to go read.

*edit* here is the newegg link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220557

 

I just ordered it from newegg, should have it around Wednesday. I just could not get over how good of a deal it was. If you look at the g50vt-x6 on newegg, it's selling for $1400 and for all I could see the x8tw is a faster machine.

My only reservation was the TW at the end of g50vt-x8TW. Anyone know what that is an acronym for?

 

How is the X8TW faster if the CPU is slower than that of the X6?

 

Although the title of that article on engadget says September, the second page from 'trustedreviews' says:

 

Ya, my bad. I replied and then rechecked stats. Opps.

But still, you lose .13g but pocket $549.99 ($449.99 after mail in rebate). Other than that the are pretty much the same. To me that's a steal. As long as the TW does not mean Tiger Woods and its got a big ole pic of Tiger on the case, I will be happy.

Anyone know what the TW stands for? My guess is Taiwan, as Asus is a Taiwanese company.

 

looks like the x8 is some pathetic model from bestbuy. the low resolution of 1366 x 768 and the lack of warrenty makes it less of a deal. the x6 though is a great deal

 

Yea, the X8 looks like a X1 with the orange/black housing.
The worst.

 

My friend is heading over to the local Best Buy to check out the G51. Are there any other versions going to be out today other than Sunny's with the P7350?

~Ibrahim~

 

best buy only carries the one I bought. I did not see any other versions of the g51 that bb will carry but higher end versions of the g51 will start showing up on newegg in July

 

Ah, got it. Sweet, thanks man!

~Ibrahim~

 

sorry but why would u get a old version (new egg X8) if u can get the BB version(g51) for the same price and the BB version is a lot better... ???????

 

In most of the games that I've played, my P8700 is the bottleneck, not the 9800m GTS, so you will not get too much of a bump (if at all in some cases) with the BB G51 if it only has a P7350.

 

I agree that the P7350 would be a bottleneck for the 260, but the P8700 being a bottleneck for the 9800M GS (err, or GTS, if you flashed it)?

Which games? GTA4? Have you tried overclocking the CPU? Because honestly, I can't see the P8700 holding back the 9800M GS at all, but that's just my opinion, you might be having different results.

 

Im haveing the hardest time deciding weather to buy this laptop or not.

 

I use SICOLY and Predator's OLED performance monitors to show me CPU and GPU stats. In the following games, my CPU maxes out at 100%

Crysis
FarCry 2
CoD: WaW
The Sims 3
Supreme Commander
SEGA Rally Revo X
GTA IV
Crysis Warhead
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway

The only game that I've seen hit past the 86c are The Sims 3 and SEGA Rally Revo X, which lead me to believe that the GPU isn't being tapped all the way by most of the other games.

Of course, factors, like AA and AF are largely unaffected by your CPU, but most other things are.

 

just wait till the G51 hits the net and get the one with the better CPU.

 

because the X8 doesnt have overheating issues

but probably sticking with the G51... just is such a pain in the with temps.

 

The BB version has a slow CPU, doesn't have insurance AND doesn't have the long warranty. I don't think its a lot better. I don't even think its better.

If your budget is $1000, then the G51 is the best deal you're going to get though.

 

when would that be?

 

Mid-July is the word on the street.

~Ibrahim~

 

Agreed. I personally wouldn't get the BB G51 because of the lower CPU. Not so much because of the insurance or warranty (I'm not going to be skydiving with my laptop), but the CPU is a problem.

Now if the BB one had a P8700, or higher? It'd blow away the G50(s).

 

The G51 blows away the G50 in performance, regardless of processor. The 9800M GS doesn't compete with the GTX 260M, at all.

 

you make me sad

 

That's not true. 3DMark06 score says otherwise; I get a about the same 3DMark06 score on my G50VT-X6 than Sunny did in his G51VX-RX05 review.

And no new machine can call itself high-end with only a 1366x768 resolution.

 

you guys really need to understand that the limited 2.0ghz processor mocks the 260. wait until you get a 2.6-3.0ghz running to compare the 9800gs and the 260m.

 

I think 8.7-8.8K at stock clocks for best buy's G51 is pretty close to an 8.4K for a G50vt-X1 at the same price--6 months ago. After flashing my 9800m to GTS clocks, I earned 8.9K, and combined with the DC overclocking, 9.4K. Finally, considering the 9800m GS runs cooler than 90C even after my voltage flashing, I think that's pretty respectable. For 6 months ago, I mean.

I'm not bashing the 260m, I think it's a very capable GPU. I just think for the $999 price point of the G51VX-RX05 vs the G50vt-X1, combined with overheating issues makes it so they can in fact compete. Sure, a G51 will win, but it's still a competition with a similarly-priced laptop-- half a year old.

EDIT: Octopusgarden makes a great point. The CPU is such a bottleneck to the 260M.

 

So have people been having no problem finding the G51 in Best Buy now? Visiting a friend in Delaware tomorrow (no sales tax FTW) so thinking of swinging by the local Best Buy and picking it up.

 

3DMark06 scores? Please. Run some real games, and watch the 9800M GS get left in the dust. Better yet, let's run the 3DMark Vantage GPU test at stock clocks. You guys need to understand that 3DMark06 is CPU limited, but in the real world it's the GPU that matters most.

Pair the GS with an X9100 if you want, it still won't win.

 

what should these retail at? 1000+? selling my desktop tomorrow and i dont know what to do. maybe ill just get a cheapo g50vt

 

Sorry G50 owners, but Kevin is right. The 260M GTX is better than the 9800M GS, or GTS if you flashed it that way.

3DMarks aren't nearly as reliable as an actual game, let's be honest now. I don't have anything against the 9800M, in fact, I was going to pick it up.

The CPU IS holding back the BB G51, but overclock the it a bit and it'll beat out the 9800M anytime. Don't be in denial about it.

 

yes but mine will last longer

 

Yeah, we know. Except that 2.6-3.0GHz costs a lot more than $999.

 

Well, while I do hope that your laptop lasts for as long as you'd want it to, there's no way to prove that.

 

overclocking < not overclocking

overclocking puts stress on the hardware.

 

Let's not forget that Asus also downclocked the 260M right?