[NEWS] Studio XPS 15 and XPS 17 !!

for me it means a lot - otherwise I'd already buy a bare-bone from sager, clevo, maingear, or deviltech - with GT 480M inside.

 

i agree. i would love it if the 17" in thin and looked like the adamo.

 

I agree too.

 

So Its Confirmed. In india the 1645/47 is not available anymore.
The XPS 15/17 will be out by first week of November.

I had an replacement order plased for the xps 1645 but sales guy said me that I will be getting the new model due to End of Life of 1645.

 

It's not confirmed until you follow up your statement with a legitimate link to a source!

 

I think Parthg is only repeating what the sales reps here in India told him.
I sent my third SXPS 1645 for replacement last month, and while the two replacements i got before arrived within 15 days, this one has taken more than a month and there has not even been an order confirmation email.
The Sales team tell me there are new laptops arriving but have no idea if I'm getting a new 1645.
Maybe I should just can the order and wait,but I smell bull****

 

on http://www.dell.com/us/p/studio-xps-1647/fs they are offering now only the black (with leather or without) studio XPS 16 - I guess they have run out of white and red ones.
it seems, studio XPS 16 is going into the history.

 

It appears that the 425m GT is actually slower than the 4670. What a big let down. Great step backwards dell.

 

I said confirmed because,
I made the sales rep have a talk with the manager as in why are new sxps 16 with i7 not available.
I also made him check the status at the factory and he said that all the pending order of the sxps 16 will be cancelled as its end of life of sxps 16.
He also said specifically that xps 15 and 17 are gonna launch on first week of november agin specific about the date (atleast the week).

He said me that i willl surely be getting one of the new systems.

When i asked him, if they have the rgbled screen option then he said that they aren't yet sure of that ??

Does anybody have photos of the new system.
I dont know how i should react.
because i like this system, its looks, its rgb display.
but this one has throttling and heating issues.
And i dont know anything about new system.

 

If you ordered a 1645 they can't simply change your order to the new model and ship that to you. Pricing will be different and what if you don't like the new design? This sounds very odd to me.

 

If they no longer have the 1645, then they don't really have a choice but to eat the price difference. The design will be better looking. I think they'll finally get rid of that awful plastic. At least that's how I see it.

 

With due respect, I highly doubt this is going to happen. I think Dell would cancel the order with the reason "Out of stock." The only time we get a newer model is when we need a system replacement (warranty) and they run out of older systems.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

that would be nice, of course.
they can use aluminum and make it as beautiful and thin as Macbook Pro 17 - with GT 460m though...
sweet dreams.

 

There's only three words you should ever believe when coming from a Dell rep:

I, don't, & know.

 

DOH! Dude now you can claim your money back from Dell.

That is unless you want an inferior XPS 15 - don't think they'll get you an XPS 17.

 

Studio 17 is no longer available in America and will soon be no longer available in Europe

 

Why do you say that xps 15 is inferior ??
And theoretically xps 17 is replacing sxps 16 and xps 15 is replacing sxps 13 so i guess they wont have any problems offering me xps 17, well i dont want the 17" model is diffrent case.

also, if i dont like the xps 15 then can i ask them to replace it with latitude laptop, that is if i dont like the xps 15 ??

 

"Theoretically"? That's completely wrong. XPS 15 and 17 are both new models replacing Studio XPS 16, not 15 for 13 and 17 for 16.

And by price alone they'd likely only replace yours with an XPS 15. But whatever if you don't want your money back you can test drive the XPS for the rest of us.

 

Lets see.

Well i can always give it a test drive and if i dont like if i can return it and ask for refund and i anyway dont want the a 17" laptop.

Anyway why do you this that the xps 15 will be inferior to sxps 16 ??.
Currently even the spec are not out yet from any source we can trust.

 

If that's directly tied to making room for the new XPS then that's not very promising news at all. Is this XPS supposed to replace the Studio line or is it supposed to be the return of the XPS models....because the latter means a lot more than the former.

For an XPS model that's meant to replace the Studio line (to possibly give it more brand separation from Inspiron) low performance parts like a GT 425M becomes "reasonable." For a real return of the <strike>Studio</strike> XPS brand name a GPU much stronger than that is needed.

 

GT 425M ?? are you sure??. From where did you got the specs of the new systems, and can it be trusted.

 

Yeah, I don't want not want to see the XPS Brand replace the Studio line, there is enough room for the Inspiron line for consumers, the Studio line for consumers who want better performance specs and the Studio XPS line who want the optimum level performance with the best specs possible.

doesn't HP and others have a least 3 or more different line of notebooks for consumers for consumers to choose from?


I guess it all depends on if a line of notebooks is profitable I guess

 

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10char

 

@phinagle

Can these links be trusted ??

As they say that the laptops dont have usb 3.0 aswell.

Also both the 15" and 17" models show same weight of 2.8 kg. Also it says studio xps while the new models are gonna be xps

 

well i have good news for all of you,
i just confirmed with the dell salesperson and he said that they will launch new notebooks on 21 oct (on dell india site), i am pretty much sure that this info is correct because not only did he confirm from all the executives he could but also said he would post me the specs in advance.

this all because i was really angry at them for cancelling my studio XPS 16 and was demanding a refund ASAP...

he hasn't mailed me the specs yet but i will share as soon as i get them

 

I've been waiting patiently for Dell to announce new laptops; I've been a Dell customer for more than ten years, and I'd like to stick with them, but their current laptops are old and fall short of the competition.

The specs the OP quoted are out of line with what else is out there, but the current Dell lineup lags far behind competition.

HP's ENVY line is way out in front of Dell's offerings in terms of power, price and aesthetics. The only laptop that can match the Envy 15 is the Alienware, but the Alienware weighs 9 pounds and the Envy is thin and sleek.

I think the market for extreme high-end desktop replacement laptops that Alienware has served is much smaller than it used to be. Software demands from games are essentially capped by the need to release them on both PC and consoles, so the hardware needs of PC gamers are not as expensive as they used to be. It's hard to sell $3500 rigs when $1500 systems can play current games at high settings. I think the higher end of the laptop market now has a sub $2000 price point.

So, I don't think the upper-end of the Studio XPS replacement is limited by the specs on the Alienware 15, even if Dell doesn't replace the Alienware at the same time. They can't worry too much about preserving that system's market; I don't know what the market for the Alienware is right now, since laptops that weigh much less with similar specs are available. Dell has been discounting it aggressively in the last couple of months.

I think it's likely that the same new model will essentially replace both of those old ones, which are both aging platforms and aesthetically-less pleasing than comparable systems from Apple and HP. My guess is the Alienware branding will be restricted to the popular 11 inch model and possibly a big heavy new SLI rig for the LAN enthusiasts.

My guess is that Dell will put out a system comparable to or slightly better than the HP Envy before Thanksgiving, at a comparable or slightly lower price point, with an upper-midrange graphics chip, appealing industrial design and possibly some nice promotions.

 

Very good points scandal.

As much as I want to swap out my XPS16, it will probably make more sense to wait until early 2011 for Sandy Bridge to roll out.

 

I'm trying to understand what Sandy Bridge does for me. Most of the plain language explanations seem to suggest that the upgrades will mostly be appreciated by people who buy lower-end laptops without discrete graphics hardware.

If the XPS 15 does, indeed turn out to be weaker than the current Studio XPS 16, then it's probably intended as a mid-high end business/media model in the $1200 price range. The market is reorganizing around iPads and netbooks and $600 mainstream laptops, and Dell is likely looking to cater to the new shape of the market.

The 17 will be the gaming laptop in that case, which is a disappointment, because I was hoping for something powerful and portable. It will probably be lighter than the Studio XPS 16, but it will have a bigger footprint.

 

According to this site the Sandy Bridge desktop processors are about 20% faster [for those tests] than Lynnfield. The other tests don't seem to be quite as impressive but still an improvement. Can we assume the same increase for Clarksfield?

 

HP has just upgraded Envy 14 & 17 with Intel's new dual-core i5-580m - that's the very fast and at the same time, very cheap processor -
Intel® Core? i5-580M Processor (3M Cache, 2.66 GHz) with SPEC Code(s) SLC28, SLC29
hope to see it (or - the fastest dual-core - i7-640M) in new XPS 15 & 17 - otherwise, I'll be very disappointed if they'll give options for quad-cores only (as Asus likes to do).
current quad-cores are making too much heat, are slow, inefficient in using additional cores, and overpriced, IMHO.
btw, even their microarchitecture is different - mobile quad-cores are 45 nm Clarksfields (tock) and mobile dual-cores are 32 nm Arrandales (tick).

 

No they can't be trusted because they obviously look like they got some things wrong....but it doesn't mean they got everything wrong so you can't just throw all the specs out either.

 

10characters

 

While I don't typically believe anything the chat reps say, that's several sources now that have said October 21st. Maybe we can finally go with that date.

 

Good work, detective.

 

Yes, I agree they should include the fastest i5 and the fastest dual-core (i7-640m) it would be disappointing if they only give quad-core options only. To me that just would not make sense give people a choice between the fastest core i5, dual-core i7 and quad core. Not everyone wants a quad-core.

 

Hey guys I have been holding off getting a new laptop and waiting for the new ones since the thread was created. Sorry for my ignorance but I have little technical knowledge on dual/quad core systems. Isnt it better to have quad?

once again apologies!

 

For the most part it is. The quads use 10W more power / produce more heat than the duals, but they're much faster in almost all benchmarks. Even the slowest 720m quad outperforms the fastest dual core 640m in most benchmarks. The only time that dual cores are better is in programs that are only single threaded, but those are becoming less and less common, or for people who are very concerned with low power/heat for whatever reason.

Edit: Let the 1647 flaming begin, lol.

 

Thanks mate, i'll wait till the 21st now haha

 

I have a 1645 w/ 720QM. With a clock speed of only 1.6GHz I sometimes wonder if I would see a performance boost with a 2.8GHz 640M.

 

Source? Which benchmarks?

Because it's quite opposite. The only benchmarks the 620/640 will lose to your 720 is highly threaded apps, 4+ threads. It will dust it everywhere in between, 1-4 threads, not just single threaded apps as you claim. It is a DUAL core after all, and with 2 cores running on both chips, the 620/640 is still faster.

Even at 4 threads the 620/640 is faster.

 

I am really skeptical that a modern processor is a gaming performance bottleneck in a computer with discrete graphics hardware. Most modern processors seem very capable of quickly performing business tasks and handling lots of browser windows.

The Sandy Bridge sounds like it offers significant improvements in media and gaming for computers without discrete graphics cards. But the integrated Intel video still won't outperform ATI or Nvidia cards. If I am planning on getting a model with graphics hardware, why should I care about Sandy Bridge?

 

That stuff is impressive, right?

 

the biggest advantage for notebooks would be increase in battery life as all the quad mobile processors will have integrated graphics and that can make you enable graphics switching.
sandy bridge also idles far less than nehalem in both power consumption and tempratures.

 

I dont know if these specs are accurate...

Core i7-2620M
Core i7-2720QM
Core i7-2820QM

 

Since my XPS16 is always so damn hot, I may wait for this reason alone. What I wouldn't give for a laptop that stays cool when I'm just checking e-mail. Sure the redesign might have awesome ventilation, but this would help even more.

 

I dont know what's going on with dell india.

Studio laptops only have 512 mb graphic card and that cannot be upgarded.
It seems that currently inspirons are more powerful that studios in india.

 

it's said here -
Mobile Processors - Benchmarklist - Notebookcheck.net Tech
- that i7-640m, i7-620m, i5-580m, and even i5-560m all are faster than both i7-740qm and i7-720qm.

 

Over a month ago, a Dell person told me there would be Studio/XPS 14 and 15 coming out in October/November.

Then when the 15/17 news came out I thought he might've been mistaken.

We need some goddamn concrete specs!

If 425 is planned for XPS 15, XPS 14 is screwed big time.

We NEED GT445M in XPS 15!

Edit: Somehow I doubt the accuracy of Notebookcheck. Sure, I look at it all the time, and it's what a lot of people base their purchases on. I even bought an i7-720QM notebook - the worst mistake ever! It claims "i5-580M clearly uses less power than similar specified Core 2 Duos at idle" without anything to back it up. And it also says "580 should be faster than 620" but the ranking shows otherwise. Also know that their rankings are based on estimates - they are sometimes placed there with zero benchmarks.

Front side bus of i5-580M is higher than the other i5s and i7s, is this accurate, and if so why?
Does this have any impact on performance? FSB of i5-450M (released later than other i5s) is the only one equal to i5-580M.

Also has anyone heard of i5-540E, same specs as i5-540M yet I never heard of it? Price unknown.

In my opinion, i5-460 is equal to i5-520 if you average out their specs, yet Dell charges a lot more to upgrade from 460 to 520 - they don't offer the i7 dual cores here.

What are Embedded Options?

 

Good reading on TomsHardware: How Many CPU Cores Do You Need?