ATi HD 5730 now available for Studio XPS 16

I try to search, but I see only you will have this card.

 

"The part number is 7MWMN. And this is sent with the Studio XPS 1647."

This is the part number for the 1647, though. Got it off a Dell Chat representative, very nice one, BTW (needed a mobo replacement...unfortunately, they have lots of 4670 mobos left, lol!).

~Ibrahim~

 

So it IS possible to get a HD5730 with a SXPS 1647 (dualcore) ? It's just a matter of time since they still have a lot of mobo's left with the HD4670, right ?

Glad to hear that! Good job man!

 

I checked the US Dell site and the 1647 still comes with the 4670 1GB. I assume they'll be picking up the 5730 on the 1647 relatively soon, considering the info the rep. gave me.

 

You guys are taking about this thing, right!

 

Edit: Nvm.

Yup, I think that's the one.

 

Is dell going to refresh the XPS system lineup anytime soon, as in the design? What's going to replace the XPS 13 if anything? HP has to be stealing business, especially once the Envy 14 comes out. Does Dell have anything planned?

 

There has been some talk of refreshed XPS 13 coming anytime soon, but no one knows anything for sure.
For XPS 16, I do not think they will refresh it for at least this year since they just updated the graphics card for it rather than releasing a new version with the updated card...
This show that they plan to stick with this for a little while...

The only time I see Dell updating it would be when newer i7 processors come out...

 

I was hoping they would...I mean the updated graphics card was way past do. They need to make the xps 16 lighter and better on battery life rather than having that huge 9 cell battery sticking out. Or just come out with newer 13 or 14in.

 

Sir!

I saw ATI 5730 on it ( U.S. Dell )

 

It will be sad if true. Dell’s rivals (HP, Lenovo, Asus, Acer etc ) already have new flashy models for 2010.

One of the reasons that prevent me from upgrading to SXPS 16 is its blocked exhaust vent design.

Btw, since last Tuesday, SXPS 16 has been removed from Dell Japan website

 

I think their design was purposeful... I mean, Dell isn't that stupid that it would design it that way and not know how the air goes out from the vents, come on...

When you open up the laptop, the air flow is directed towards the glass of the screen, which many other laptops also have (namely Macbook Pro).

Simply put, I don't think that any heat issues are caused by vent blockage that many people talk about... Besides, it may be more purposeful in some situations where you have your laptop right up against a wall where air cannot go out straight from the back.

The laptop design should be the least of your worries for your buying decision because it's one of the most well-designed performance laptops I've seem from any companies.

 

According to fluid mechanics, I don’t think the design is purposeful. Dell already admitted the vent design flaw and they are planning to change the vent design but until now no action.
Technically they also have to redesign the lid.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/460540-xps-1640-1645-1647-heat-vent-issue.html

My friend has a Macbook and the vent is block by the lid. And guess what, the bottom of LCD screen suffers from decoloration if the temps increase.

 

Can you point me to a link where Dell admits this to be a design flaw?

Also, Macbook Pro screen is covered by glass, how is heat able to go through glass and into the screen? Apple, the most design-cautious company, hasn't changed their design even after 3 refreshes since they implemented the unibody aluminum design. You think they would overlook it 3 times after potentially receiving "LCD-discoloration" complaints?

 

You are grossly mistaken. It is a major problem and dell is actually aware of it (one of the reps confirmed this with me on the phone but said there wasnt anything he could do about it obviously). As for proof, my laptop runs at 90C while gaming with the screen open and 80C with it closed. That means it goes from a slightly dangerous temp to perfectly reasonable temps when the screen is closed and i am using an external monitor. As for the macbooks, they run really hot as well, however, most macbook users dont stress their laptops as much as us PC users do, so they dont really notice it as much. I also know that the older macbook pro with the 8600m gt was downclocked for better cooling, not sure if it is the same with the 9600m gt model, but that shows you that apple had to decrease performance to maintain cooling.

 

When you close your laptop lid, the screen actually turns off. This helps the laptop stay cooler. You should try having the laptop barely open so that the vents aren't blocked and the screen is still on.
Also, how do you say that Macbook users don't stress their laptops as much? They too do resource-intensive video processing and Steam is now also available for mac. This problem should be more serious since they released the i7 processors without changing their design even a bit, but it's not. They also updated their graphics card to the new NVIDIA 320M and 330m that are much more powerful...

I don't know but I just find it really hard to believe how such a simple thing as blocked vent can pass through a bunch of highly qualified engineers...

 

If you look at Krashkource's test results from this LINK, you see that he tests the temps with the screen on at a normal angle and then with the screen on (and HDMI cloned as well) at a more acute angle. He achieves a 12-15 degree Celsius difference favoring the more acute angle, indicating that the vent design is a hindrance to air flow (thus causing more heat). That's pretty substantial, even a 5-10 C difference would be. Dell definitely dropped the ball on the vent design of this system IMO, which has caused them some problems (GPU Throttling, even CPU Throttling to an extent). Highly qualified engineers are human and can make mistakes like the rest of us, even if it's a bunch of them.

 

I speak from experience dealing with Dell on the throttling issue.

First of all, engineers don't like it when we try to stress our machines beyond their supposed capacity, directly referring to Prime95 + FurMark. That's not what Krashkource used, but just as a general reference. Does the heat vent issue cause some sort of performance loss or is it just more heat?

What I don't see from the heat vent issue is any solid testing, though I haven't read the entire thread. Can someone link me?That Krashkourse post is pretty vague and not a single engineer would think more than five seconds about this issue with just that single post. Are there any more tests, possibly ones that are quite a bit more documented? With some GPU-Z sensor logs?

Right, the second thing about engineers. Engineers don't make a laptop. They design a laptop, but if someone else can cut costs without affecting many users, the "upper echelons" of Dell will certainly go for it.

This is a very specialized device. It isn't an issue of just "moving" the vent. You would have to re-design the entire motherboard. I'm sure they have 50 reasons why they they can't re-design it: it would be a thicker laptop, you couldn't fit an optical drive, etc.

Though...if this is a performance-reducing measure (throttling; high temperatures are a hard sell), I can brush off the dust of my Dell contacts. But I'm not going to waste their time with half-baked posts and rants. Solid evidence.

~Ibrahim~

 

just wondering, do you actually have an xps 16? I am thinking that if you did you would see that the vent design is quite flawed, it is pretty obvious that more air escapes the laptop when the vents are clear than when the vents are covered by the screen. Also, may i ask why you think that having the screen on makes the internal components of the laptop hotter? That doesnt seem to make sense to me. It may make the PSU hotter as it uses more power, but it shouldnt have any effect on the internal components.

 

I have a SXPS 16 currently in production and to be shipped on 10th... will let you know more on this issue soon as I intend to test some hardcore games on it...

However I've seen this design many many times with different companies and brands like Sony Vaio (I think it's their Z series for which they have a similar spindle), Apple, and Dell...

For the screen issue I would assume that the overall material conducts and transfers heat due to the powered LED's... I request you to test it out and let me know.

Anyways seriously thanks to all you guys for keeping the argument professional and highly technical that some users tend not to do... learned a lot of new things

For this issue, I won't make my comment until I have tested out my system thoroughly...

 

I ordered mine on the 28th. I too hope for a next week delivery as I need a fully working laptop bad.

 

Um, was anyone else interested in this?

Seems strange. The 13 has gone missing many times, but not the 16, as far as i'm aware.

 

Dont get me wrong, i like this laptop a lot, but it does have its issues, much like any other laptop does. And i think that once you receive yours you will be more willing to accept what i have been saying about the vents. Let me know what you think when you get it. I also assume you have a 5730, and i would be very interested in how much of a difference to temperatures it will make over the 4670.

 

I would hope it will be considerably cooler as the 40nm and 26watts vs 55NM and 35watts. Ill be doing some testing as soon as I get it in (crossing my fingers for this week) and maybe doing some tweaking depending on how things go.

 

Quoted delivery for mine is the 16th

Cancelled an order for the Y560 for this, I'm confident its worth the extra $300 over the Lenovo.

 

Well if and when mine breaks looks like I'll have a nice upgrade. I love Complete Care.

 

Curious if this new XPS is a 1645 or a 1647?

When I was ordering the description stated "1647", but now when I review my order it says "1645". Any insight on this?

 

Good question; I was told by a rep that I would be getting a 1647, then that order was canceled and a 1645 w/5730 popped up... But for some BS reason it was canceled this morning and Dell hasn't replied to my cry yet.

Has anyone w/the 5730 had theirs canceled for some weird reason?

 

You have the i7 quad core so its a 1645, the 1647 is the dual core ati5650 version.

 

I understand that the i7 is a quad, and yes the 45's are quad based, but I don't understand what you are implying. Can you enlighten me?

 

Thanks, appreciate it. Haven't been on this forum long enough to know if thats a good or a bad thing though! Haha

Here is where I saw it in case anyone was wondering (underlined in red):

 

prob just a mixup from dell, the 1645 is what i have and it has the i7 720qm. the 1647 is supposed to have an i5 or an i7 620m (dual core)

 

Well the 1647 has, like mrbeee said, is a dual core i5 or i7 and ati 5650 GPU compared to a slightly higher clocked AIT 5730 and a quad core CPU.

Agreed. Probably just a mix up.

 

Wait...

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Maybe I missed something, but you're the first one that states that the SXPS 1647 will come with an HD5650.. Are you talking about the US? Because I haven't seen any HD5650 information regarding the US. I've only seen the HD5650 pop up on the site from Australia/New-Zealand/India/... and this in combination with the 1645, not the 1647.

+ The motherbord part number from a 1647 with an HD5730 is floating around somewhere on this forum.

So i'm kinda curious, where did you get this info from? Or are you just mistaken?

 

I am in Australia and I can confirm that you can get the 1647 with the HD5650. I currently have it on order now (S541210AU).

 

Aah okay so you can get the HD5650 in both models. Was not sure since only the 1645 is available at the Australian site for the moment.

And probably you'll be able to get the HD5730 in the US in both models too. (Not yet though, there has been stated that they still have a lot of 1647 mobo's with the HD4670)

So I'm not sure what liquidxit2 is saying?

 

Unless you are in Canada or the US I'm pretty sure you only have the option of the 5650 and not 5730, could be wrong though.

 

I stand corrected. I guess I wasn't paying attention to peoples country when they posted, as well as I have never spec'd out a dual core xps 16. So yeah the US gets the 5730 in quad 1645s and 4670 in the dual 1647s.

 

Dell New Zealand (probably Australia and India too) now has the 5730 as an upgrade option, dropped the 5650

 

yeah, just checked and Australia has the 5730 now too. This would have been all I needed to hurry up and order ... but I just found the Australian site also has returned the 1080p B+RG on the Studio 17, AND the i7-740QM and i7-840QM are available as options too. Very tempting

 

Wow didn't know they were out yet, and upgrade for 840qm is same price as 820qm, pretty average gpu still though...

 

Can someone post some test results w/the 5730 so we can know if it has helped Throttling or not??

 

I can post a short video of me playing WoW if youd like. I keep seeing people requesting TS logs and have no idea what they are referring to.

 

PM Unclewebb and he will get you a link for the latest version.

Read the first post on the 1640 throttling page and it will tell you all about it. If you have questions just start a ThrottleStop thread maybe???(Unclewebb may have one already but I am unaware of it. Would like to see one though )

 

Something more "benchmarky" would be nice. If you are someone else is interested, we could run the free Resident Evil 5 benchmark demo, and I'll post my results with the 4670 + 720qm. There are two separate tests in the demo, one is about 2 minutes long and the other is about 10 minutes, and both can be run in DirectX 9 or DirectX10 modes. At the end it tells you your average FPS.

 

I am not concearned so much about the performance of the card so much as the systems overall performance like the throttling...

 

Could you post a vid? ^_^

 

video of WoW gameplay isnt much of intense 3d gaming.

 

If Im playing and multitasking at the same time it will tax the power system and heat pretty well.

 

looking forward to seeing some video.