New Dell XPS L521X (Ivy Bridge)

True, but I would say the people that are buying these are not buying them for gaming purposes...

 

Shock is the right word. I have no room to say anything much.

The company line: Dell does not comment on rumors about unreleased product.

None, really. I started the day shooting the early links around in hopes of getting stuff pulled down, but that turned into a Streisand-like endeavor, and I gave up. Nothing we can do now.

Are you saying there are CURRENTLY shipping Dell laptops that throttle and overheat? I know for sure MBP can get hot enough to make grilled cheese and NOT throttle, but I'm not aware of a currently shipping Dell that does the same or throttles unreasonably. Please source this comment for me, so I can escalate the issue to engineering. For a glimpse of the "future of Dell thermals in laptops," I'd reference the complaints we heard (and actually listened to) for the Alienware M14xR1 that you do not see on the R2.

Nail head, meet hammer.

 

So even after all of that they won't let you talk? That's saddening

 

Streisand-like is right. I'm afraid with the XPS 15... A Star is Born.

 

I completely agree. This is the one major advantage of a higher resolution display for me. However, like I said before its not enough to justify the price for now.

 

Hey Bill. I was just saying in general. However, as a previous XPS M1210, XPS M1330, Studio XPS 1640, and Alienware m14x owner, I've had my share of overheating laptops but you guys did me good by replacing them.

The only current systems I am aware of is the Alienware line like the m14xR1, m17xR3, and m18xR1.

I haven't read much on the Ivy Bridge models yet though. However, the m18x shouldn't throttle - especially the GPU. I think the 580m? Not sure.

 

Sorry. Got the greater than/less than sign mixed up. Should be under 5 pounds, preferably. IPS screen is the #1 need though. Right now, only HP Envy (garbage trackpad, horrible sound), and Sony VAIO SE (bad speakers, CPU whine up the wazoo) have 15-inch IPS screens.

Which is why I was kind of hoping that Dell would adopt the IPS screen since I like Dells otherwise...

 

Dell-Bill...I was wondering if the new XPS models will ship with DDR3 or DDR3L memory? Not sure if DDR3L memory is reserved for ultrabooks. 2-3 more weeks for a XPS release is torture...AHHHHHHHH!!!!

I assume you would be able to hint us on when a Dell press release is expected like you did with the Alienware release?

 

I hope they offer more GPU options, seeing only 630 and 640 was shocking to me.

 

haha im surprised bill didnt say anymore

and as for ur comment, i thought they fixed the trackpad with driver updates and the sound is crap? what are u comparing to?

 

New macbook pro 15s are out now apple just unveiled them and yes they have retina display for all you screen fiends for around $2200 bucks. It seems the rest of the lineup remains the same except with cpu upgrades and gpu upgrades. Apple has it on its site now.

http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/

 

I'm not surprised. Bill's superiors clearly don't want to release any information prior to their pre decided date. I'm not aware of any competition that hasn't released their information however. If I didn't already have dell gift cards, I'd probably have ordered a new machine by now.

 

haha yeah most are out there idk who else people are waiting on... and i did order a machine gotta c if the xps is worth sending it back

 

I haven't kept up with the updates, but the last time I tested out the Envy trackpad, it was stiff, unresponsive, clicking and dragging was near impossible, the cursor was jumpy, it was terrible.

And maybe the sound is not as bad as the dv6, but at least what I noticed with the Envy is that there is a constant hissing/static sound coming through the headphones when they are plugged in to the jack. With the dv6, in addition to that hissing sound, all the volume is leveled out to where loud sounds are quieted and quiet sounds are amplified. It's quite awful.

 

As a response to Bill:
I currently own a Dell l502x as a replacement for an identical machine.
The heatsink and motherboard of the former xps were replaced 3 times due to overheating. Afterwards i was offered a new l502x. After a few weeks it reached a i7 package temp of 97 degrees. So YES, Dells current laptops tend to overheat.

 

BILL... I have a Xps m1330 gen1 with faulty mobo. And even with that, i have been happy with it.

I have had a dell Technician swapping my motherboard each 6 month (like a clock!). I skipped the 502x as i could not stand the looks of it, the specs on the 502x is/was good enough for me. So im really looking forward to the new one as it has a design i like.

But I had a few questions. How is the noise levels during load? Compared to the current generation? And compared to my old leafblower 1330?

Will Scandinavians be cheated out of the backlit keyboard again? Wich has been done on both the last xps? (not counting 15z)

And can you promise me that i wont be having a nice gentleman from Dell replacing the mobo each 6 month? I Would need to start billing Dell for coffea and cookies at a point.

Any vauge hints on the pricing for us scandinavians? Alienware levels?

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Sell to him instead of giving Would love to see an invoice sent to DELL, asking to be paid for coffee and cookies ... hahaha

 

Scandinavians are way too nice. Not only would I not give the guy cookies and coffee, I'd hold him hostage until Dell gave up the launch codes.

 

I bet that would make some people in the financial department scratch their heads

I would be happy with some hefty coupons for the new Dell's

But it doesnt hurt to be nice with the techs. When they start to clean up the dust on my girlfriends old xps as well (external amd internally). And when they on their own called for a replacement lcd as he insisted it was pale and inaccurate on the colours. Then you know the cookies are appriciated.

I like Dell.

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Previous gen systems and no longer shipping systems: *fingers in ears*- "lalalalalalalala" <-Can't hear you.

I spent a lot of effort reporting on heat and throttling complaints since 2009. The end result has shaped a lot of the efforts you see in today's systems.

580m throttling was in the M17xR3, and that was down to a very specific issue of factory quality. We escalated that back multiple times. It now comes down to I will tell any M17xR3 owner with throttling issues when the GPU core hits 78C: "You need your heat sink replaced. Here's the how to video link. Strongly suggest you request parts only and do it yourself."
Truth be told, M17xR3+580m will not ever hit 78C, given a proper heat sink installation, unfettered airflow, Dell drivers and BIOS, and reasonable ambient temp. You could easily make me a liar with Furmark, but again, "lalalala. You lost me at 'Furmark'."

I didn't get out a db meter, but it's way quieter than XPS 13. I imagine it's the same compared to 1330. Can't answer the keyboard question yet. Can make no promise of mobo replacement frequency, but after 3 mobos, somebody needs to replace that unit. At least that's the unwritten policy in the US.

Send me your cookies. I don't want any of those things we pass off in America as "Danish sugar cookies" either. I can't imagine any self respecting Dane that would not be offended by simple shortbread cookies with sugar on top being called "Danish" anything.

Something sounds off. I don't think you should see 97C on a XPS 15 with clean heat sink, proper airflow, reasonable ambient temps, and non-synthetic operating activity.

 

Unlike that cookie snob Bill, I'll eat any cookies

 

Ha! If you saw how much weight I've gained since my profile pic was taken (before marriage lol), it would never occur to you to think I ever met a cookie I didn't like.

 

I hear you. I must have gained 30 lbs after I met my gf. Why are all the delicious foods not good for you.

 

Speaking of delicious awesomeness and getting fat, my buddy and I smoked a prime rib yesterday, and it came out fantastic. Time to head home and make a nice smoked prime rib sammich. Goodnight all!

 

bill cmon man get that teaser page out!

 

Did you not hear the man? He has a sammich to get to!

I actually would consider the MBP just to run windows on. Hopefully the XPS is even better.

 

haha what is a "sammich"? I am eating a Sandwich right now tho . I would consider the mbp but too much moneyy

 

Yes!! We need official acknowledgement!

 

I wonder if windows supports the resolution of the next gen mac pro though?

 

I agree..... We need something to keep us from buying a MacBook Pro.....non retina of course.

 

I meant the regular mac book pro. Why wouldn't windows support those resolutions? Windows isn't a mobile OS, it just has more workspace.

 

I never seen this option when looking at the display settings, was just wondering if everything would render properly if the OS does not officially support it ..

 

Why would they? MS is a software company. A Retina display is a hardware issue, and Apple had to re-write code just to get a handful of their own programs to utilize the new rez. It's not incumbent upon MS to slap their lipstick on somebody else's pig.

Windows 8 will support resolutions up to 2560x1440. No one needs a larger rez than that (want, maybe, but not need) unless you're working in a lab with a neutron microscope hooked up to the TB/HDMI port.

 

That's what I thought cheers for the additional info muffin

 

Here's some info I found:

Supported resolutions: 2880 by 1800 pixels (Retina); scaled resolutions: 1920 by 1200, 1680 by 1050, 1280 by 800, and 1024 by 640 pixels

I bet in boot camp for Windows, default will be 1920x1200. That's impressive on a 15.6". Too bad it's too much...

 

You're talking Windows 8, right? I thought Windows 7 would scale up to whatever resolution your GPU (and monitor) will let you, hence the usefulness of Eyefinity and 4K screens. Just adjust the system wide DPI accordingly. If only it'd actually apply the scaling well...

 

Mine also hits 97C and is also a replacement for a previous system, my third replacement actually!

I hit 97-98C while gaming and during video conversion, my soultion has been to disable turbo boost. I have created a new power profile called GAME which has the max proc speed set to 99% to prevent overheating, throttleing/stuttering during gaming.
I regularly blow out the fan and ambient temps are 18-20C.

The reason I haven't called Dell is because I'm actually scared to after some of the experiences I've had with tech's that have come out in the past! The good thing is they always come, but I'm still scared!

 

You better explain what you mean, or Bill is going to jump all over this. A Dell technician should not frighten someone in their own home or place of work. If you have a legitimate problem with your computer, contact them to fulfill the expectations of the warranty you purchased. If you have a general fear of strangers touching your personal items, that is not the fault of Dell. And if you truly had a negative experience, you should have reported it.

 

Hi Bill! Same story with the XPS 14 or just the 15?

 

1440x900 would be perfect scaling. It would just look like the "normal" MBP display. Just in terms of picture editing the full res would also make sense in Windows.
I still don't get why Apple is the ONLY (company) so far who built a notebook which is an exact copy of my personal wishlist. The "normal" MBP has just everything I requested apart from the HDD which should be a SSD.
Another question: Why is Apple the only company who really puts innovative brain power into the cooling system? Apart from the fat ASUS machines I have not seen any notbook which was really focused on a clever, silent and efficient air flow system + body used as heat sink.... only the MBP. Makes me sad but I still hope for Dell!

 

Is that why "macbook pro overheat" gives 7.5 million hits on Google?

 

@ ximinez
I posted a link before about heat problems in the MBP but I was talking about the cooling system in the new one. It is pretty obvious that Apple focused a lot on that as you can see in the presentation video. I think you cannot say anything bad about the new system, right? I do not say that is is good, great or perfect but it definitely looks like they've put a lot of effort into it. Btw.: Many here requested that the battery should be under the Trackpad too ;-)
Previous MBP internals:
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/Gf2GPJlfKvbLJLDZ.large
New MBP internals:
http://www.macbookgratis.com/macbook-gratis/macbook-pro-retina-first-impressions-and-review

 

It looks like. But all previous Apple products have appeared to be well thought through and built. But they've mostly turned out to not be. They've made promises about thermal before. I've not been impressed.
Placing the battery other places than the palmrest is imho pretty stupid, and I can't understand why "everyone" insists on doing it that way. Except Apple.

So, they've spaced the fans further apart, and the mobo is photographed from the other side. It looks nice, no doubt. But you can't tell if it'll overheat or not from that.

 

There are no reviews out yet testing the ventilation of the laptop, so we can't say the new system has made an improvement. We just have to wait and see.

 

I have a theory on this. Apple has a loyal, almost cult like following. They also have very high margins for the electronics industry. Dell, and most other PC manufacturers are in a cut throat business where most consumers will buy whatever is cheapest. I think this is why Dell's new business model is to be a total IT solution and increase profit margins.

I think Apple's sky high profit margins enables them to take risks on products that aren't on the market yet. People believe Apples are just better, and are willing to spend over 2000 for a laptop. A lot of electronic company's laptop core consumer sales happen when Mom and Dad go into Best Buy and pick up whatever is on sale.

Also, Apple has a strong reputation in the photo and video editing field, exactly where such high resolutions are most strongly craved.

* No research or facts in this post. Just my thoughts

 

@ ximinez and dp3000
Sorry guys but I did not say anything else!? Wait and see, yes. But what I found great is that they've clearly put a focus on cooling and worked on an innovative system to improve. At least that was what I wanted to say

@ ejl1980
Yea, sounds reasonable.

@ Topic
Sorry for the MBP drift away from the topic. I am still looking forward to the new XPS and I hope that Dell also took a clever approach to improve cooling in terms of noise and temps. Hope still lives to get a near perfect machine from them, even if it will not be that slim and even if the display will be FullHD (15") and not less like I had hoped. The new retina is really clever though bringing 1440x900 with a proper and clear 2:1 scale for gaming + very high res for working (which will not work nicely in Win).

 

I'd tend to agree here. Sounds like a friend of mine. She spent €2,000 or so on an iMac because it's "the best at Photoshop stuff" (amateur photographer). Upon getting it, she realised she had no idea how to use OSX ... or Photoshop.

 

Dual fan notebooks have been around for years. Which will probably have better cooling than the new MBP anyway. Stay away apple fanboy.

 

Who are you calling the fanboy? The person you quoted is talking bad about MBP. The other person hasn't seemed like a fanboy.

 

am i still in the dell L521X thread?, or this been changed to an apple one