New Dell XPS L521X (Ivy Bridge)

See, this is the kind of crap I hate about Apple. Who are they speaking to? Where are these numbers coming from? It's generic propaganda that is borderline false-advertising.

 

look at he photos on engadget.
there are two giant fans there.
the batteries are also on the palm rest, so no heat there

 

haha i liked how they were showing off safari and i noticed hwo chrome does about 98% of what the new safari will do

 

that's very bad game on apple part

 

I hate apple for this! But retina display mbp is a laptop of next gen too!

 

damn windows notebooks are 1 gen behind but i am still really worried about the thermals...

 

"I have an idea, let's ask all of our iOS customers how satisfied they are with iOS over Android and plot it on a bar graph!"

*loud applause*

 

correction: cue *loud applause*

 

No time to post just now, but I just read the Apple press release. We're not too worried. I'll have a couple of differences to address, but I feel like we will come out just fine. No comment beyond that at this time.

Teaser page update- maybe next week if at all. No details on content.

 

Noticed how the progression is regular, almost linear, going from RIM to android, and suddenly a bump to iOS?

I mean, everyone know these are faked numbers, or at least, played around with to get this result, but they could at least make it look a little more random!

 

Thanks for the update, Bill

 

Do you guys complain about other surveys too? Just because it's "Apple" you accuse them of false results? I don't see how it's any different with any other company with their surveys.

Come on people. Please grow up. I am going to love the new Dell XPS but everyone else can enjoy their cake too...

 

How so? Is it because of the retina screen which currently has little support?

 

Other companies wouldn't have the audacity to post such a graph without a source, i.e. Comscore or Consumer Reports. Apple throws up anything and the lemmings say "Yes, master, thank you, master."

 

no because they are putting hot items in such a thin chassis....

 

I never said others made better surveys! Of course, everyone does this! You can get any numbers from a survey by making sure to ask the right people...

Makes me thing back about an add I've seen on TV yesterday, where 98% of the women liked the product... but an asterix at the bottom of the screen, written in really small characters, said that the survey was made with women who had seen benefits of using their product! Of course they liked it if they've seen benefits

I only wanted to point out that they didn't even take the time to "randomnize" a little these numbers! Not that it would have change anything, but it's almost admitting to faking them!

Edit: That, plus the fact they probably did not even say where these numbers came from! At least, they didn't put a reference on the graph

 

Not quite sure with what more the teaser page can tell us, we have several pictures and a general knowledge of the components that will be in it. When's the release!!

 

Again your opinion. Every company presents differently. You're just hating on Apple lol. Fanboy much?

That's like auto insurance with every company claiming the best service based on surveys. You save so much compared to X and X. Jeez...

 

Windows Phone tops in user satisfaction - Neowin
Survey: Windows Phone No. 1 in User Satisfaction -- Redmond Channel Partner
iClarified - Apple News - Windows Phone 7 Ties Apple's iOS in Satisfaction Ratings

I don't know, first few results. Not sure where Apple data came from, no source or anything, but those fanboys eat that up and the use that as an argument for Apple.

 

Thank you. It's just fanboys being fanboys with their tunnel vision.

 

Well said, Apple fanboy.

 

well xps, if you can get me those macbook specs (excluding the screen), at 2/3 the cost im sold

 

I agree, if you keep these new XPS's as cheap as possible, you have some great competition No comment on the last 20 pages?

 

Yeah okay. I'm really going to buy MacBook Pro right now and still follow this thread for my future Dell XPS.

Where do you see me defending Apple? I just simply asked you a question about company surveys.

You're stupid. Grow up. Mature a bit. Jeez.

 

Its 16:10, which is still wide screen but better than the more typical 16:9 found these days. 16:9 is good for HDTV/Movies but for everything else 16:10 is better.

Lets face it, there is almost nothing wrong with the new MBP except price.

 

more than likely overheating and throttling is the other disadvantage

 

Why is 16:10 better all of a sudden? Since Apple does it? That's freaky, nonstandard and I'd never get that period. You know if Dell did that people would never buy it either.

 

well, the apple logo could also be removed

 

I guess so, if the thermals turns out to be ok... in the top configuration it's gonna use a 2.7Ghz i7qm , I have no idea how they managed to cool that beast in 0.71 inches, and with a "nearly imperceptible to the user" fan design

 

lol no its not because of apple. the 16:10 was the standard b4 but then it went to 16:9 (i have a 16:10 on laptop and esktop btw) but it provides more length so u get more of the page and so it doesnt seem squashed

 

Just about all professional laptops and monitors used to use 16:10. Remember 1280x800?

 

Who knows? They did mod the cooling on it.

We all know Dell's CURRENT and history of overheating and throttling...

Especially throttling...

 

If you say so. I'm still much more willing to go 1080p std res on a nice, widely shaped laptop.

 

the res on my laptop right now

 

well isnt their modding just putting them side by side.... arent others doing the same thign? (I missed the fan speech I just saw the pics)

 

And mine (currently running a D430 until the new lineup is fully revealed)

 

I wouldn't need a ridiculously high resolution on the new XPS that ramps up the price, but if they used an IPS screen or at least had that as an option, I'd be sold..

 

Why do you want your laptop to be over 5 lbs? (looking at your signature)

 

Honestly, I think the new xps is on par in design with the mbp. I wouldn't get caught dead with the old model, but this one is something I wouldn't be afraid to put up against one of those things. You can't say that for a whole lot of laptops though.

If the specs are about the same then the retina is just gimmicky, the ppi in a 15" 1080p screen is the very last of the concerns with screen quality. And I'm not about to cut out performance so I can smash my face on the screen and not see the pixels... Maybe on a phone that's useful since you look at it closely, but on a computer, I sit at the very least a foot away. No big deal.

 

I agree a 1080p display will fit nearly all of people's needs. The retina seems to just bump up the price.

 

Supposedly the fans are quiet yet fast to dismiss any noise and still be able to cool the laptop.

Sounds like they just increased the speed and took out the noise. The same concept of desktop fans such as Noctua's. Sounds like a win/win to me.

It's still too much though. $2200 could buy me a XPS and build a nice desktop.

 

i would also like to see them side by side
i imagine the dell would be slightly bigger in every way, thickness, depth and width, but not that much.

 

Its not all of the sudden...16:10 has been around longer than 16:9 on computers. Dell still sells 16:10 monitors on their higher end models and their cheaper models are 16:9. It wasn't that long ago that this forum was overrun with threads from people mad that laptop manufacturers were moving to 16:9 from their existing 16:10 displays. Note that the move to 16:9 on computers was due to economics not quality.

I agree, all I need is a 1080p display. The higher resolution panels will be nice but not until their price comes down.

 

Really, it depends on how far away you see the screen, that's it. I'd say 2 feet is about standard when I'm looking at my laptop, maybe more, sometimes less.

By these calculations:
Resolution - Digicam - Andrew Gregory's Web Pages

3438 / 24" = 143ppi is about the limit for visual resolution, depending on eyesight

The ppi of a 15" monitor @ 1920x1080 is about 143.

 

I've always preffered 16:10... It leaves more room on the vertical side, which is good since most applications and website displays with vertical scrolling instead of horizontal...

But the #1 plus for me, it's the fact that two 8.5X11 pages fit very well on a 16:10 screen side by side... If I'm working in MS Word for example, I can see two pages as a whole, with enough details (when if Full HD) while I'm typing.

I just wish they had not disappeared from mainstream models!

 

The problem with the Retina Display is that all programs that want to take advantage of it have to be specifically written to do so. Apple reached out to Photoshop and AutoCad, which, admittedly are the top two programs that would ever need a higher resolution. But the rest? Mail, Calendar, etc. which Apple themselves stated had to be re-written... There's no advantage there, and 99% of anyone buying a new laptop, especially a MBP, would have no use for it. It's simply not worth the price.

I'm more interested in color gamut, nits, and outdoor visibility. Retina is an Apple buzzword for marketing purposes. It serves little purpose in everyday use.

 

now this is going to be a problem for apple

85W MagSafe 2 Power Adapter with cable management system; MagSafe 2 power port

I wonder what will happen

 

Between that and the 650M working overtime to power the display, Apple may have just created the world's first portable fission reactor.

China Syndrome anyone?

 

considering that the alienware has a 150w adapter for the same specs, this is going to be fun

 

The problem is Full HD is too much in most games für a Notebook GPU and scaling looks ugly. The new "retina display" would look much better if you scale the resolution down to a performance level.

Depends how the GUI is coded. I am pretty sure MacOS is prepared ;-)

I am very interrested to see how the new MBP cooling system will work. Right now I am "just" a little bit stunned about the specs of this machine. Could be a hard battle for Dell but "luckily" the MBP is very expensive. Btw. there will also be a new MBP featuring a 1.440 × 900 display + i7 + 650m.