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    S-XPS 1645 Throttling Info. and Updates

    Discussion in 'Dell XPS and Studio XPS' started by atlstang, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. paskowitz

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    Well it appears I do not have throttling. Everything stayed at 100% and the multiplier stayed in between 19 and 20 (20 being the max. maybe thats minor throttling).

    FYI I have a SXPS1645 i540m, M Rad 4670, 130w power brick and a Zalman NC-2000. Even more amazing, while running prime95 and furmark, my temps never exceeded 70c.

    What seems to be my main problem is when I play games like Mass Effect, even if I set things to the highest settings all the textures are total crap. Only the character models are acceptable. I am pretty sure this is not the game. Eh... whatever.
     
  2. unclewebb

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    The default multiplier for a Core i5-540M is 19. As long as you can maintain that at full load and clock modulation is at 100% then it is not throttling.

    When both cores are active, turbo boost can increase the default 19 multiplier up to a maximum of 21. Turbo boost can be limited by core temperature or power consumption. When both of those are within spec it can go as high as 21. When power consumption goes over the Intel spec, the CPU will start to throttle the multiplier between 19 and 21. That's normal turbo throttling by Intel so no need to hang Dell for this. It sounds like your CPU is working as intended.

    I think the XPS 16 that have a Dual Core are actually called XPS 1647 models.
     
  3. barnone

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    Date Time Multi C0% Ckmod Chipm Dts
    06/30/10 13:18:59 18.76 13.9 100.0 100.0 37
    06/30/10 13:19:00 18.76 13.7 100.0 100.0 38
    06/30/10 13:19:01 18.72 15.3 100.0 100.0 38
    06/30/10 13:19:02 18.80 14.4 100.0 100.0 43
    06/30/10 13:19:03 18.74 15.3 100.0 100.0 43
    06/30/10 13:19:04 19.05 15.6 100.0 100.0 42
    06/30/10 13:19:05 19.08 15.8 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:06 18.88 14.9 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:07 18.82 14.5 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:08 18.81 14.4 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:09 18.78 13.8 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:10 18.81 13.9 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:11 18.83 14.0 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:12 18.75 13.9 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:13 18.82 13.9 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:14 18.92 14.0 100.0 100.0 37
    06/30/10 13:19:14 18.92 14.0 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:15 18.96 14.9 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:16 19.06 15.8 100.0 100.0 41
    06/30/10 13:19:17 19.08 15.7 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:18 18.89 14.8 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:19 18.78 14.0 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:20 16.75 20.5 100.0 100.0 36
    06/30/10 13:19:21 17.77 17.0 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:22 18.70 13.7 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:23 18.64 14.1 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:24 18.75 14.0 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:25 18.68 13.8 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:26 18.54 14.1 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:27 18.78 13.7 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:28 18.84 13.8 100.0 100.0 38
    06/30/10 13:19:29 19.00 14.4 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:30 19.21 14.5 100.0 100.0 40
    06/30/10 13:19:31 19.12 15.3 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:32 18.95 15.5 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:33 19.03 14.6 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:34 19.04 14.2 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:34 19.02 13.8 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:35 18.88 13.9 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:36 18.93 13.8 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:37 18.94 13.6 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:38 18.83 13.8 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:39 18.83 14.2 100.0 100.0 40
    06/30/10 13:19:40 18.93 14.4 100.0 100.0 40
    06/30/10 13:19:41 18.76 14.8 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:42 18.94 14.8 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:43 19.07 15.2 100.0 100.0 38
    06/30/10 13:19:44 19.09 15.3 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:45 19.02 14.2 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:46 18.71 14.2 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:19:47 18.78 14.0 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:19:48 18.70 14.1 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:49 18.68 13.9 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:19:50 18.66 13.8 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:51 18.75 13.8 100.0 100.0 34
    06/30/10 13:19:51 18.64 13.9 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:52 18.85 14.1 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:53 18.86 14.3 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:54 18.89 14.5 100.0 100.0 39
    06/30/10 13:19:55 18.86 15.0 100.0 100.0 35
    06/30/10 13:19:56 18.65 14.2 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:19:57 18.83 14.5 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:19:58 19.03 14.7 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:19:59 19.03 14.9 100.0 100.0 33
    06/30/10 13:20:00 18.89 14.5 100.0 100.0 32


    [Sorry for taking up some space]

    Here are some of my Throttlestop results while running the Furmark stability test at 1900x1080. I have a new XPS 1645 (Radeon 5730 1GB, i7 Q720, 4 GB RAM). I'm not too sure how these results are, but since they're above 12 on the multiplier (I read this somewhere here) I assume they're OK? The fur render ring on the furmark was not spinning smoothly; there were quick jerks/stuttering.
     
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  4. gpig

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    You're not throttling, but no one is having CPU throttling issues with just Furmark. Run 'Prime95' (it's a separate application) in torture test mode (8 threads small FFTs), then next open Furmark. If your multiplier stays at 12, you're not throttling. If it's higher than 12, your doing it wrong.

    Keep in mind that running these two tests and experiencing throttling is not really a reason to be concerned. Play your favorite game while logging in Throttlestop, and if you get less than 12x while playing, you have a throttling problem.

    P.S. Furmark should look jerky, but the FPS reading should stay the same whether running Furmark OR Prime+Furmark!
     
  5. barnone

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    My most significant issue is with GTA4. The benchmark test inside of GTA says I am only drawing on about 23% CPU usage. I've tried to enable throttlestop to see what effect that has, but my CPU usage went down to 18%. Granted, I may have the settings on throttlestop set incorrectly. Are the Clock Modulation, Chipset Clock Mod, and Set Multiplier boxes all supposed to be checked? I checked all of those, and their variable boxes were set to 100%/100%/13 when I ran that 18% CPU usage benchmark.

    If you want me to post those benchmarks I will; the low CPU usage is very frustrating for me though. Thanks for the help :D
     
  6. unclewebb

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    Games don't fully load all 8 threads of a Core i7. A lot of games are lucky to fully load 2 of your 8 threads. Run ThrottleStop in monitoring mode. It will keep track of how much of your CPU is being utilized. Nothing you can do about that until game developers improve their game engines and make them more multi-threaded.

    If you have a big log file it is easy to upload it to MediaFire or similar and then just post a link here.
     
  7. barnone

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    Ah I see.. I had been told that GTA4 had been extremely "future proofed" and I figured it would be able to take advantage of a quad core very effectively. Thanks for the information unclewebb, I appreciate it!
     
  8. gpig

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    I believe a game like GTA4 will "load" all 8 cores, but just put a little on each core with a total CPU usage of about 25% or so. I don't think there's much else for the CPU to do anyway, since the GPU is probably a severe bottleneck in the XPS 16 (and in computers in general).
     
  9. unclewebb

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    Some of the advertising about multi-threaded and multi-core is misleading. The CPU can move tasks around so each thread gets a little bit of load but that's a long ways from all 8 threads being fully utilized. 3D rendering software is designed so all 8 threads can be fully used but it's difficult to design a game to do the same.
     
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    Can someone here tell me whether my systems throttling or not?The game was completely playable all the time but throttlestop gives me a multiplier below 20 (in the middle)for some time and then jumps to 23 after sometime.I was playing Splinter cell conviction by the way.Heres my Throttlestop log..


    XPS 1647 I7 620M 4GbDDR3 4670 WIN7HP
     

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  11. Thaenatos

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    Well being as though you were not maxing the machine constantly the multiplier will fluctuate. In order to test throttling more accurately use furmark and prime95 at the same time. Setup throttle stop and the multiplier should peg at 23 the entire time. With just a game or multitasking or even multitasking while gaming will show a multiplier fluctuation as you will not be taxing the CPU consistently.
     
  12. wetcardboard

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    I am getting some very inconsistent throttling issues depending on the game I play. Bad Company 2 and Gears of War throttle after a few minutes, but I can play Left4Dead and Just Cause 2 as well as Crysis Warhead continously without any issues. With the back of the laptop raised (I will be getting a 9-cell battery soon), my gpu and cpu stay under 80 C after playing for around an hour which is great. If I shut my screen off and close it so the vents not being blocked then my temps don't exceed 75 C and I can play any game I want without throttling.
     
  13. unclewebb

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    That sure looks like throttling to me. Here's a piece of your log file:

    Code:
      DATE     TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  CHIPM  TEMP  GPU
    07/03/10 22:37:20  23.00   47.0  100.0  100.0   70    79
    07/03/10 22:37:21  23.00   46.2  100.0  100.0   69    79
    07/03/10 22:37:22  23.00   45.9  100.0  100.0   71    79
    07/03/10 22:37:23  23.00   47.1  100.0  100.0   70    79
    07/03/10 22:37:24  23.00   45.2  100.0  100.0   71    79
    07/03/10 22:37:25  23.00   47.9  100.0  100.0   70    79
    07/03/10 22:37:26  23.00   45.9  100.0  100.0   71    79
    07/03/10 22:37:27  23.00   47.4  100.0  100.0   72    79
    07/03/10 22:37:28  23.00   46.9  100.0  100.0   71    79
    07/03/10 22:37:29  23.00   47.0  100.0  100.0   70    79
    07/03/10 22:37:30  23.00   45.8  100.0  100.0   71    79
    07/03/10 22:37:31  23.00   46.7  100.0  100.0   71    81
    07/03/10 22:37:32  23.00   47.6  100.0  100.0   69    81
    07/03/10 22:37:33  20.94   46.1  100.0  100.0   66    81
    07/03/10 22:37:34  20.00   48.2  100.0  100.0   66    81
    07/03/10 22:37:35  20.00   43.2  100.0  100.0   65    80
    07/03/10 22:37:36  20.00   47.4  100.0  100.0   66    80
    07/03/10 22:37:37  20.00   47.0  100.0  100.0   67    80
    07/03/10 22:37:38  20.00   47.2  100.0  100.0   66    80
    07/03/10 22:37:39  20.00   40.4  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:40  20.00   47.0  100.0  100.0   66    80
    07/03/10 22:37:41  19.55   45.9  100.0  100.0   65    80
    07/03/10 22:37:42  19.00   49.0  100.0  100.0   66    80
    07/03/10 22:37:43  19.00   47.8  100.0  100.0   66    80
    07/03/10 22:37:44  19.00   48.1  100.0  100.0   65    80
    07/03/10 22:37:45  18.69   46.5  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:46  18.00   50.2  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:47  18.00   48.6  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:48  18.00   52.0  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:49  17.76   47.8  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:50  17.00   52.7  100.0  100.0   64    79
    07/03/10 22:37:51  17.00   50.0  100.0  100.0   64    79
    07/03/10 22:37:52  17.00   51.8  100.0  100.0   64    79
    07/03/10 22:37:53  16.83   49.1  100.0  100.0   63    79
    07/03/10 22:37:54  16.00   51.4  100.0  100.0   63    79
    07/03/10 22:37:55  16.00   49.3  100.0  100.0   63    80
    07/03/10 22:37:56  16.00   51.6  100.0  100.0   64    80
    07/03/10 22:37:57  15.81   50.5  100.0  100.0   63    80
    07/03/10 22:37:58  15.00   53.8  100.0  100.0   63    80
    07/03/10 22:37:59  15.00   48.3  100.0  100.0   61    79
    07/03/10 22:38:00  15.00   46.0  100.0  100.0   62    79
    07/03/10 22:38:01  14.64   46.8  100.0  100.0   61    79
    07/03/10 22:38:02  14.00   55.2  100.0  100.0   61    79
    07/03/10 22:38:03  14.00   48.4  100.0  100.0   61    79
    07/03/10 22:38:04  14.00   42.6  100.0  100.0   61    75
    07/03/10 22:38:05  13.78   36.6  100.0  100.0   61    75
    07/03/10 22:38:06  13.00   38.9  100.0  100.0   61    75
    07/03/10 22:38:07  13.00   34.3  100.0  100.0   60    75
    07/03/10 22:38:08  13.00   36.2  100.0  100.0   60    75
    07/03/10 22:38:09  13.00   47.8  100.0  100.0   60    77
    07/03/10 22:38:10  13.00   41.6  100.0  100.0   60    77
    07/03/10 22:38:11  13.00   43.1  100.0  100.0   60    77
    07/03/10 22:38:12  13.00   38.2  100.0  100.0   60    77
    07/03/10 22:38:13  13.00   45.9  100.0  100.0   60    77
    07/03/10 22:38:14  13.00   43.5  100.0  100.0   60    78
    07/03/10 22:38:15  13.00   45.0  100.0  100.0   59    78
    07/03/10 22:38:16  13.00   45.9  100.0  100.0   59    78
    07/03/10 22:38:17  13.00   48.2  100.0  100.0   59    78
    07/03/10 22:38:18  13.00   46.1  100.0  100.0   60    78
    07/03/10 22:38:19  13.00   49.8  100.0  100.0   60    79
    07/03/10 22:38:20  13.00   49.4  100.0  100.0   60    79
    
    For a Core i5-620M, the maximum turbo boost multiplier when both cores are in the active state is 23.00 and that's what your CPU is running at initially. You are getting the full turbo boost that you are entitled to. The C0% load is very consistent before and after when the throttling starts so its not SpeedStep kicking in. The thing that seems to trigger the problem is your GPU temperature. As soon as that goes over 80C is when the trouble begins. The multiplier quickly drops to 20 which is the default multiplier for this CPU. That's a sign that turbo boost has been turned off.

    It's very easy to watch your multiplier drop, step by step over a short period of time. The log shows very distinctive steps from 20 down to 19, 18, 17, 16, 15, 14 and then stops dropping when it hits 13 and the multiplier remains stable at this significantly reduced speed for quite a while.

    13/23 means that your CPU is running at 56.5% of its Intel designed speed. Within 35 seconds, you have lost 43.5% of your CPU's performance. That's not good and it's all due to throttling, likely based on GPU temperature even though the GPU is nowhere near its designed maximum.

    Your CPU then remains in this throttled state for 20 minutes. :eek:
    When the CPU returns to idle it seems to snap it out of this throttling session.

    It's always easier to see throttling when running a consistent test like Furmark + Prime95 so your CPU is fully loaded. Your log file when gaming is obvious enough that you are not getting full performance from your CPU. This might not be a problem for the game you are playing today but you will probably come across some game some day that tries to utilize the CPU and GPU a little more and the throttling and game play could get a lot worse.
     
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    Hmm Yesteray I ran Prime 95(small FFTS) and Furmark for 6 mins(approximately) and didn't see the multiplier fall below 21 for that time.But I was concerned with the GPU temp(83 C!) and CPU temp(79 C) so closed it immediately.However I deleted the logfile so would run them again and post it in an hour....
     
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    Sure would post the logfile in some time....
     
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    Alright,here's my Throttlestop log while running Prime 95(small FFTS) and Furmark(stability test Default settings) for about 7 mins.The multiplier didn't drop below 21 all the time and GPU maxed to 83 C and CPU to 80...
     

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    @Uncleweb

    If GPU temp could have been the reason for throttling in my previous case as you think,The system should have throttled in the latter too while running Prime 95+Furmark,GPU was hovering in high 80s all the time.So what exactly is going on here?Throttling or not?
     
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    I am definetly noticing some gpu throttling in and around the 77-80 C range. Just Cause 2 was giving me 40+ FPS then dropped to 20-25 FPS. Same happened in Left4Dead but I was still over 30FPS. Is there anyway to roll back to A09 without the use of a flash drive?
     
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    anveshs: The original log file of yours that I analyzed clearly showed throttling. No maybes about that. I don't know the exact triggers for Dell's throttling schemes. It seemed to be GPU temperature related but obviously you proved that there is more to this.

    It's possible that there could also be a time or average factor. When it runs above a certain power consumption level or certain CPU or GPU temperature for a period of time, that might trigger throttling. You were gaming for a lot longer than you ran Prime+Furmark so if you stressed your computer longer at full load, it might have started throttling just like when you were gaming.
     
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    Hmm Here goes another log file.I played the same game SPlinter cell Conviction for 2 hours and there's no sign of throttling!!Good for me and Uncle web It is the core I7 620m not the I5 620m :p hehe...
     

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    you won't see GPU throttling inside of TS... so those logs won't show it throttling... use cpu-z or something to check.
     
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    83C isn't really hot for a GPU. If I run both Prime+Furmark my temps are around 98C GPU / 84C CPU after 6-10 minutes. My GPU (4670) throttles at 100C.

    I think the CPU may throttle (due to Dell BIOS) WAY before it reaches a high number, somewhere around ~85C if the GPU is also somewhat loaded.
     
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    Thanks will try that but the game was totally playable all the time and seeing my log file I was rather tempted to say no throttling :p ....
     
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    I think 1645 reaches higher temparutes than 1647 so probably It(GPU) wont reach 100C even after 10 minutes taking in to account 83 C for 7 minutes :rolleyes:And may be you are right about CPU throttling if it peaks 85C ..Overall I am happy with this 1647 compared to the 1645 which used to throttle heavily :eek:......
     
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    Hi guys ive recently been in the market for a new computer and was looking at the studio xps 1645 (i think thats the model dell doesn't say) i7 720 with the mobility radeon hd 5730 from what i understand the A07 bios update fixed throttling based on power regulation but the computer runs hot and will throttle because of that. What do you guys think should i go ahead and get this rig or not? I also heard that all new systems ship with the 130w adapter
     
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    Yep...GPU throttling is back (with A10)

    Once again i cannot play games with the LCD open

    EDIT: I attached the log. As you can see, it will throttle at 84c.. This time, it will go to 300/500 rather than 220mhz or something im not sure.
    Apparently it needs to cool <77 degrees before it clocks back to 675/800.
    However, due to the new 300/500mhz mine will not go <77c and it will stay at 300/500mhz forever.

    Also note how the temperature rises 1 degree EVERY SECOND
     

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    .....so I rolled back to A09 :)
     
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    What's the easiest way to rollback to A09 without using a jump drive (if it's possible?)

    I got GTAIV as well and it does run like CRAP. Even at 720p with everything on low it consistently dips below 30 FPS. I got it off of Steam just yesterday so I dont think there are any updates to download...is it just a bad port and tough luck for me or what?
     
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    Quick question guys - just got my SXPS 16 with the 5730 GPU. Preloaded with A09. Inexplicably, I'm seeing GPU throttling at 78-79 deg C. Could one of you with the 5730, running the A09 BIOS quickly check Catalyst Control Center for which BIOS version and BIOS date you have?
     
  31. unclewebb

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    I just added a new feature to ThrottleStop today. If you have a Core i CPU and you right click on ThrottleStop, there will be a new menu option that lets you see what the TDP/TDC power limits are for your CPU are. On the Extreme CPUs, you can use this new feature to change these limits which can increase the amount of turbo boost you get before throttling starts but I don't know if any other Core i CPUs allow adjusting these values.

    I'm hoping that if users report their default TDP/TDC power limits for their CPU, maybe we will uncover a reason why some laptops throttle more than others do.

    ThrottleStop 2.70
    http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/3/1794507/ThrottleStopBeta.zip

    This version is still in early beta testing stage but so far the new features seem to be working as designed.
     
  32. mrhohoha

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    Okay...HELP!!!!

    Just got my replacement 1645 last night with the 5730 GPU, and straightaway, trouble.

    I have no idea how this hasn't been brought up till now, but the damn GPU throttles like the axe. And it freaking throttles at 78 deg C. With ANY BIOS! Even A09. I know that A09 updates the video BIOS for the 4670, but DOES NOT for the 5730. Even A10 has me stuck as some GPU BIOS from 20/11/2009 (or is it just me? By some freak chance?)

    Which leaves my GPU downclocking to 450MHz as soon as I hit 78 deg C, and even worse is, it does not rise back up when the temperatures fall.

    I've been trying to get Rivatuner to work so that I can lock the clocks, but haven't had any success so far.

    Hows it going for the rest of you 5730 owners? Any way you've gotten Rivatuner working? Or has anyone else seen a video BIOS update?

    PS - Another weird thing, I noticed that I'm seeing some throttling with the slimline PA4E 130W adapter I got. But the PA-13 brick I had with my old SXPS16 hardly causes throttling. I'm sticking with the brick for now I think
     
  33. error-id10t

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    My 720 shows the TDP: 45W and TDC: 37 A.
     
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    Where's the option? I don't see it. ( i7 720QM )

    edit: omg i need to learn to read. Mine says 45W/37A
     
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    45W/37A here too. I'll be honest, it took me a few minutes to figure out to right-click anywhere on the ThrottleStop application window.

    Should we be looking for either of these values changing while using the laptop (such as under heavy load)?
     
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    Does ThrottleStop let you change the power limits or are the adjusters locked? The Alienware M17x guys are able to adjust these higher, even with the Dual Core CPUs and are getting big boosts in performance.

    Now we need to put your power numbers into perspective.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/6434200-post3507.html

    5150Joker is getting some incredible performance out of his i7-940XM with this new feature. He is using power settings of 96W 78A which is more than double what the XPS 1645 is being allowed to use. These settings control how long turbo boost will be maintained before turbo throttling begins and the multiplier starts to cycle lower.

    I don't think these limits will change during normal use but you can check them at full load if you want to.
     
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    @ all 5730 owners

    Temporary fix found for people who are throttling at 78 deg C ONLY FOR HD 5730. Clocks can be locked using Rivatuner. This is how:
    1. Download Rivatuner
    2. Download Atsiv and Rivatuner batch file from the following source
    http://go.notebookreview.com/?id=52...dates-xps-16-heating-throttling-issue-33.html
    3. Extract zip to Rivatuner folder.
    4. Open Rivatuner.cfg using Notepad
    5. Scroll down to RV770 in the [GPU_1002] section, add a comma and the string "68C0h".
    6. Start Rivatuner using the Rivatuner.bat file that was extracted earlier.
    7. You should have Rivatuner running now with 128bit, RV770 (400sp) below your GPU name. Click on customise, then Low level system settings (leftmost box)
    8. Click on checkbox Low level overclocking>Detect now>set clock speed to 651 (yes, 651, not 650).
    9. APPLY! It will NOT downclock at 78 deg C now :)

    This hack works despite the fact that 5000 series cards are not yet supported by Rivatuner. Not very elegant, but atleast you can freakin use that 5730 now :)
     
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    The adjusters are locked (can't manually type in value either).
     
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    That's kind of what I thought. :(
     
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    Yup same here
     
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    Do you happen to know what the other systems with 720 are showing.. is this the normal output or is that lower than on ASUS or HP systems for example (mainly the TDC value)?
     
  42. nikolasmor@msn.com

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    Here is my log


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    It continued for as long as I let it at this level.
    CPU Temps up to 87* and GPU went to 98*

    Running i7 720 and 4670.

    Just got this system a week ago!

    Thoughts?
     
  43. cbaty08

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    My thought is............ everyone around these parts knows that any 1645 equipped w/ i7 720 and a 4670 is going to throttling like nobodies business...

    Call up a rep and demand a fix... see what they say.
     
  44. unclewebb

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    When you copy and paste a log file, use the code html tag before and after the log file so the formatting is preserved and it doesn't take up so much space.

    [code*]
    paste log file in here
    [/code*]

    Leave out the * after the word code.

    As for the numbers in your log file, that looks to me like your CPU is throttling like crazy. It's bad enough dropping the multiplier to 7.0 but then when it starts using clock modulation, that's in addition to the reduced performance from the multiplier drop.

    7.0 x 12.5% = 0.875

    When you combine that with the BCLK speed of 133 MHz, you have a CPU that is performing on par with a 116 MHz CPU. You will have to go back to the original Pentium to find a CPU running that slow.

    Are you using a 130 watt adapter and what bios are you using?
     
  45. gpig

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    I'll assume that log is of Prime+Furmark? Is that from the start of the test (it looks weird)? You're better off uploading the txt file.

    Edit: or using the code tags.
     
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    At the start of the log, the CPU is fully loaded and running with the 12.00 multiplier which is normal, It drops that down to 7.0 and after a while at 7.0 it starts using clock modulation to slow the CPU down internally. This reduction in load momentarily allows the multiplier to go back up for a few seconds but then it is right back at 7.0. With clock modulation killing performance, the CPU can no longer maintain a C0% of 100%. That dropping down confirms that the CPU really is being throttled internally by clock modulation.

    That's why these log files are great. It's very difficult for Dell to argue when different data from different sources both confirm the same thing. A laptop running like a slug.
     
  47. error-id10t

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    CPUID HWMonitor (1.16) also shows this information. The only difference I can see when I compare to some other 720 entries is that mine doesn't include 13x Multi which for them shows 55W.

    FID/VID Control yes

    Turbo Mode supported, enabled
    Max non-turbo ratio 12x
    Max turbo ratio 21x
    Max efficiency ratio 7x
    TDP Limit 45 Watts
    TDC Limit 37 Amps
    Core TDP 37 Watts
    Uncore TDP 8 Watts
    Power @ 7x 15 Watts
    Power @ 8x 18 Watts
    Power @ 9x 23 Watts
    Power @ 10x 29 Watts
    Power @ 11x 36 Watts
    Power @ 12x 45 Watts
     
  48. nikolasmor@msn.com

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    Thx for the code tagging info...yes this is with Prime at First then Furmark started! 98-99* F GPU!
     
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    07/07/10 23:17:32   8.25    4.6  100.0  100.0   37
    07/07/10 23:17:33   8.99    4.5  100.0  100.0   38
    07/07/10 23:17:34   9.21    5.2  100.0  100.0   37
    
    Updated to Bios A10, cut out the middle of the log where no info changed, ran Prime and it dropped right down to 7 Multiplier, then the rest occurred. This is on a 90Watt adapter.
     
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