Studio XPS 16 1080p RGBLED Settings?

This question goes to iaTa:

Do you still find Mark's v2 profile the best? Or are you using the one posted by ramdrive?

 

Question, how do you use Marks spyder profile? When I download it it comes as a text file (.icm.txt). When I convert it to a .icc profile, it wont work due to "invalid parameters". Am I doing something wrong?

 

Just remove the .txt extension so that it ends in .icm and double click on it.

Yeah I am still using Mark's v2 profile. It's a bit on the dark side (slightly too much contrast maybe) but I like that as it gives the display more pop. Everything else is spot on, I love it especially now that I've worked out how to apply it in games too.

 

Hey guys, how do I actually go applying one of those profiles some of you have posted as attachments. When I open up the files nothing happens and I don't see any change in the screen colors. I also can't seem to load them in ATI CCC. If I go to Profile Manager there is just an empty list...am I doing something wrong here?

 

Is it very hard to read the previous 3 pages?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5954471&postcount=488

 

I’ve managed to get somewhat consistent (and accurate) colors with this screen.

I’m using as much color managed apps as possible and one of these great profiles for them (spyder 3 ones from Mark on page 37, the one on p36 or those on 48). To me they look almost the same.

Windows Media Player and Media Center are affected by the settings in CCC video so my video playback has no more oversaturated colors now. I have those at Saturation 83, Hue -8, no skin tone correction etc. Quicktime seems to be unaffected by these settings.

My webcam program shows the wrong colors and it doesn’t record them like that obviously. A recorded video is affected by CCC when played. If I record a video off my screen with fraps however, it does record the wrong color (as it is on the screen) and when I play it, strangely it is not affected by CCC. Guess this means I’ll have to use the other CCC settings that affect the entire screen before recording.

For all other apps that are not color managed, the only solution really, is to temporarily set the CCC settings to mimic RGB. Also for games and those few apps that lose color management when going full-screen.

Unless…

I’ve been trying PowerStrip but it hasn’t worked out to well yet. Because this is my college laptop there aren’t any games on it, so I downloaded TrackMania to test this.

If I apply the profile like iaTa said earlier, it doesn’t do anything.

If I apply a profile where I check the Invert gamma ramp (so I get a negative image) it does affect everything. I did this just to test things.

If I’m in game and use hotkeys to switch profiles I don’t see any difference between the default and the custom profile. There is a difference with the inverted profile. (But switching to fast causes PowerStrip to crash)

iaTa what OS and which games are you running? I’m using Win 7 x64. Thanks for those awesome wallpapers btw.

There is an option in Powerstrip to make it switch to a profile when a certain app is started. We could use that to mimic RGB in unmanaged apps when they start. But the problem is (as I tested it with the inverted profile) that it’s applied to everything as soon as the app starts. So if you’re working with firefox and let’s say paint, they will never be both right.

 

Hahahahah

thats funny to me because I say that to myself every time I read this forum..


PS. Yo Iata Ive been using Cedm's ICC, the "StudioXPS16_Native_Portable_lum40%_06-07-2009" you posted in one of your original howtos on color management. Ive been very happy with it, if anything it may be a tad yellow but after using it I dont notice it until I go back to default profile. I suspect anything will look normal after getting used to it and staring at it for awhile but anyway getting to the point..Ive loved and used it on my 1640 and now my 1647..Browsing through this thread I saw that back in November you changed to that one the guy produced with his spyder3. In comparison to cedm's icc, how you would rate it? Is it better? Im really happy with the way it looks but again that could be me just being used to. Would you recommend that newer one over cedms?

You never ever, ever, ever set your default color space in Photoshop to AppleRGB, that is one of the biggest misconceptions and false settings people use to try and correct a wide-gamut display to look like a normal one. Unless the project specifically calls for AppleRGB, you should stick with sRGB and then your specific color profile if you have one..

 

What's the refresh rate on the RGB LED LCD? 60hz?

 

It has been about six months since this .icm was posted. Do you still consider it the best? My XPS16 arrives on Tuesday

 

Yea, it's 60hz.

I still use this one. It's pretty good, and your eyes start to "calibrate" themselves to any oversaturation still present. If there's a better one I'd like to know as well, though I doubt it.

 

I still use Mark's v2 profile yeah.

I've increased the gamma very slightly using PowerStrip to 105% to help with shadow detail.

 

iaTa I'm still curious to know what exactly improves in your games.
Powerstrip can't correct the oversaturated colors, it only keeps the right gamma settings. Am I right on this?

Do you only use it to get the right gamma setting in game? Or should I try different games as I don't see any difference when I change from the standard profile to the captured one.

So still the only solution for unmanaged apps (like games) is CCC?

Thanks

 

You load the ICC and then use PowerStrip to capture the LUT. This is then applied at all times, including D3D games.

The main difference I see in games is the removal of the large amount of blue shift, greater contrast and generally near perfect colours. Exactly the same as I see in Windows really.

 

Strange, I did everything exactly as you said, but I don't see any difference in games or in Windows.

When i load a new profile in Windows I see the change in whitebalans of the desktop. With PowerStrip, when I change between default profile and the one where I captured the LUT, nothing happens.

Does the fullscreen Windows Photo Viewer also look better when you apply the PowerStrip profile?

Games will always be oversatured because they don't manage color like firefox right? So how come you see a differnce, is it the change in whitebalans?

Can you tell me a few games you use play where you clearly see the difference in colors, so I can be sure it's not the game that is the problem.

 

Every game I play CSS, UT3, L4D2, MW2 etc.

White balance is the same (Mark's V2 profile doesn't adjust the white balance which is a good thing). No Windows Photo Viewer still shows incorrect colours, even with PowerStrip running.

 

I'll try CSS but I doubt much will change. After reading a few topics about saturation on their forums, I think PS can't get the saturation down in games like firefox gets it down in pictures using the colorprofile.

So PS might change something else (gamma perhaps?) but I doubt it will get the oversaturated reds down?

 

Look around in here and you might find something that helps.

I found some great settings for an HP IPS panel I have.

Good luck.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm

 

Jeroen it works perfectly. It applies exactly the same ICC to games. Simple as.

 

I've installed CSS now and tried it again. Now I did see a change happening if I started without profile and then applied one with a hotkey. I also saw it in trackmania this time.

The game definately looks better and I see what you mean by 'the removal of the large amount of blue shift'. It seems to get a little less bright too.

But this confirmed what I though earlier. I think it's only the white balans or the temperature or the gamma that changes slightly. Don't know which one and it doesn't really matter.

The game will still look oversaturated. I tested this by making a red square in paint and using this as my spray in CSS. No matter what the profile is, the red is always oversaturated.

But in the end it's not that big of a deal in the game and I can still tone it down a bit with the CCC settings if I have to.

You're absolutely right about the colors in games improving a lot by using PowerStrip. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

I have used Spyder3 to calibrate my screen and more or less I am satisfied. It is indeed really hard to calibrate this screen.

Have you noticed something strange, when your are scrolling through a long page with a lot of text and forms. For example Facebook home page. Look at the display from the bottom from very small angle and start scrolling. Do you notice how the white background of the comments' forms becomes quite pinkish. I notice this on some pages, but on others I do not.

Nikolay

 

whats a good external monitor 24-30 to go long along with the rgbled?

 

Dell UltraSharp.

 

Click on the link in my sig.

24" Dell 2408wfp. Displayport, dvi, hdmi, vga, composite, component, usb and minijack audio out.

It's a wide-gamut display and matches up with the RGBLED perfectly, imho.

This model has been replaced with a newer one but the specs remain the same, if not slightly better.

 

how about the 3008wfp? i can possibly get one on ebay for like $800. i know its twice as much but i kind awant to get a 30" lcd.

 

Its the exact thing but bigger, another good model. Its the newest model too, little bit newer than the 2408. Definately get it if you are happy with the price, very versatile monitor.

I use mine as a hub for everything. I got all my USB devices plugged into the back as well as my tower, so I can switch between comps while working by just plugging the one USB downstream cable from the monitor to whichever computer Im using. I also run displayport natively right from the Studio XPS, and I use DVI for the tower.

 

Can the sxps 16's gpu handle the full 2560x1600 resolution of the 3008wfp? I'm guessing the only chance is through the displayport.

 

Yea that'd be your best bet. The HDMI 1.3 revision added support (340 MHz) to deliver a resolution of 2560x1600 and the more recent 1.4 revision expanded it to 4k x 2k. I don't believe the 3008WFP supports HDMI 1.3 as it came out before the spec.

 

thanks for the info guys. did not even know my xps had a displayport . i will probably be buying the 3008wfp. hopefully can get it around 800 from ebay.

 

Just got this laptop and it turned up with a dead keyboard backlit.

Anyways all this hue and cry over the " get the RGB LED screen, its out of this world blah blah blah....." I just cant understand.

Long long ago there used to be a setting in nVidia graphics cards to enable Digital Vibrance which used to have a similar affect on the screen like this RGB LEDs have.

There wass an option to turn it off on them and it was a good reason to let it remain off.
I dont see this option in the RGB LED screen and its a dissapointment. Not worth the £200 extra IMHO.

My 2 cents......

 

The reason you can't turn it off is because it's not digital, it's what the screen is capable of without any of that digital enhancing nonsense. If you had this screen on an nVidia system and turned the digital vibrance on, you'd probably be blinded.

 

If you can take the time to post and complain about it, then you should also have the time to REALLY read about it because it's been stated so many times in this thread... realize it takes some effort into getting it to look its best..Color profiles and color management guy..Try to do some research and calibrate it to your liking before you start dissing it...my 2 cents

 

Will said agree 100% I love this screen the best I ever had I owned four laptops and three monitors and this screen so far It's the best of all!!

 

My wife has a 1640 with the 1920x1080 WLED, I have a 1645 with 1920x1080 RGB LED. Her screen looks washed out and bland in comparison.

 

Hi fellas,

i got a problem, i can't no more turn up or down the screen brightness.
i don't know why.
it has worked always fine, but now.... the brightness is stand still, i just can't put it low or high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbe2hwPQvE

i already tried to reinstall the quickset, the gpu driver, the bios (but without success, cause i already got the A08), a system recovery etc.

Fn+F3 and the keyboard brightness work fine.

Help me, please.

EDIT---> risolved: just pull out the battery, turn on the notebook, and check it.

 

Boy looks like I stumbled upon RGB LED Fan club.....

No offense guys but what I meant to say was its not worth the £200 upgrade. Period.

RGB LED may turn out to be good with all the "color profiles" and "color management" but that does not justify 200 quid, maybe 50-80 quid upgrade. Well thats my opinion and opinions change as pockets get fatter.

And I found out today the screen flickers once in a while. I thought my eye sight was screwed up but then it was pointed out by my gf today. It happens rarely though and m sure its just my laptop thats affected.

Enjoy ur RGB's!

 

i think my rgb screen has a red color too... ehm, red! Yes, the red is too red.
How i can set up the colors balance?
Thanks

 

I beg to disagree. I had a top of the line Dell (that I returned) with a "regular" LED display, then got this one. Huuuuuge difference. Even if you don't care about color profiles (I do cause I do a lot of digital photography), there are a few massive differences worth every penny - RGBLED uses a fraction of the screen brightness under regular room conditions, has a nearly perfect homogeneous brightness across the entire screen and when bumped up outdoors, can be used in the brightest daylight to comfortably see everything you need to see on the display. Hi-def that comes with it is simply awesome. Needless to say, LED I had before (a pathetic 1600x900 on a 17" display), could not accomplish this with the brightest setting possible, had terrible color accuracy (a joke, it should be called inaccuracy) and was so sensitive when it comes to angle of viewing that even a minor tilt up or down would totally change the colors and intensity of the display. To add insult to injury, the top half of the display would have one tint, and the bottom half a different one (usually pinkish vs bluish). It was soooo annoying that there was no point keeping that laptop. Most of other brands I've seen at a local store had very similar issues. Just ask yourself one question - what do you do 99% of the time spent on your laptop? Answer: look at the display. Although this may sound like an overstatement, it is a single most important part of your system and that is why it is worth the money.

Considering all of the above, those 200 bucks were the best spent 200 bucks when configuring a system. Just my $0.02.

 

Lol uses fraction of the brightness... This display doesn't also have a good panel, so it has horrible viewing angles.

I saw an rgbled screen on my friends precision m6400, its not good as this guy above says it is, and yes it's been calibrated by his schools technician (Pratt institute in NYC). If you can look at it yourself, do it. If you don't like it, then don't get it.

Don't even touch the topic of viewing angles if you're talking about a TN display lmao.

Diffrrent people have different thresholds.

 

I agree with both maxmagnum and hkseo100. The screen is really good. Picture and color are fantastic. But it needs a good calibration, which is really hard to accomplish. About viewing angles - yes, it is not that good. And the annoying flickering issue that many experience it. First screen I had was flickering. Second was not bug had problems with the cable that connects it to the mobo. Third one flickers again now. Nightmare.

Nikolay

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/483190-should-dell-provide-us-calibrated-colour-profile-1645-rgbled.html

 

don't mind meddleheadkicks...He's obviously doesn't have any clue what he's talking about. He's trying to justify it being bad by forcing his own value and opinion on it. Its a great monitor, if you cant see the value in paying extra for it, that's your problem..It doesnt make it a bad screen..

You can compare CPUs and GPUs with benchmarks and justifiably prove whats a better product. That you cannot dissagree with, numbers are real and facts are facts.. You can also do the same with monitors. Go look at the color saturation scores, gamma level scores, color accuracy scores etc. etc. etc. This RGBLED panel scores the best in all of them, because its the best lcd panel you can get in a consumer laptop right now..And it shows.

Ive gone through two 164X's with RGBLEDs and both were beautiful and neither flickered. Totally worth the $150 upgrade. You sound like a sour puss based on your experience.

 

I agree with you on every aspect apart from the black levels, the colour levels possible from this monitor are awesome (the reds are a bit off but that's a matter of calibration) however the black levels are nothing to write home about. I'm not gonna call them bad as such but you notice it when you're watching films in a dark room.

 

Thats Dell's fault and their design problem. The RGBLED panel itself is great, dell just didn't design the backlighting in this laptop well which is why you're seeing what I think you're seeing when watching movies in a dark room. The backlighting is very uneven and causes some brighter/lighter spots than others, making the blacks suffer.

 

That's not the point I'm making, the backlight is actually very even. Black levels are how dark the screen can actually go, it's not affected by the backlight much (although turning it down helps), it's to do with how opaque the panel its self can become which is no fault of the backlight at all, nor is it Dells fault. No amount of calibration will improve the black levels, you can only turn down the backlight.

 

So the best color profile file is the Spyder 2 express version 2 still?

 

That's what I got too the Spyder 2 express version 2 I'm pretty happy with it but I like to know if there is a new one out

 

I am using Spyder 2 express version 2 too and from all profiles here I like it the most. But still I think I miss something. Do you guys changed any settings within the CCC itself.

The problem I face is when watching movies (or youtube, etc). For example human faces (skin) look quite red. Any thoughts ?

Thanks

 

Hi guys, I've been lurking around here for a while, gathering information about the 1645. It arrived Friday July 30. Like many of you I found the reds far too over saturated. I pulled the saturation back in CCC as a stop-gap measure, but it needed proper calibration.

I tried a few profiles I found in this thread, but none looked 100% right, so I bit the bullet and bought a Spyder3Pro last week.

Friday last week I calibrated the screen, but forgot to reset the saturation settings back to default in CCC. So, last night I recalibrated.

I have attached the file so others can try this profile. Some details of the calibration:

System:
Dell Studio XPS 16
Win7 Ultimate 64-bit
Intel 740QM
ATI 5730 1GB - Driver: 8.753.0.0
Catalyst Control Centre - Version: 2010.0706.2128.36662
1080p RGB LED 16" screen

Calibration:
Spyder3 Pro - Version: 4.0.2
Brightness - 9 of 16
All default settings in CCC software.
Ambient light not measured in Spyder3 Pro software.

When I first loaded this profile it was a heck of a shock and I didn't like it. The screen seemed far too warm. After 3 days I have adjusted to it and it looks spot on. Default settings on this screen are very very cold.

EDIT: I forgot to add, the screen calibrators measure perpendicular to the screen. As such make sure you're looking at the screen square-on, or slightly down on the screen to make sure you're getting the most accurate picture.

 

BLWNHR: Very nice one...

So far I've used the one from GrantGochnauer (thx btw) but this one might be even better for me...I'll give it some time and see...

 

These profiles are useful, but is it just me or do they not solve the oversaturation of the reds on the 1645?