XPS 15 2-in-1 with 8th Gen Core G?

Could use some help. On the Dell reddit forum some folks suggested a fresh Windows install would be eaasssyy. Now Im in driver hell.

I was told to install the intel graphics driver from the intel site - which i did. But when i open the intel control panel there are no profiles available. and most of the time the app wont even open. Also, I keep getting windows notifications like " you need to install a graphics diver - battery use will be heavy etc." (fyi i have also installed vega driver) Now Ive reinstalled twice, certain to use the supposed correct driver from Intels site.

So question is - has anyone done a clean install of Windows 10 on here successfully - and if so what exact drivers did u use? Much appreciated.

 

I didn't have any issues.

I used this intel driver (however there is a newer one): https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27803/Graphics-Intel-Graphics-Driver-for-Windows-10

and this Vega driver: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27785/Graphics-Radeon-RX-Vega-M-Graphics?product=80939

What does your device manager show?

 

Intel Hd graphics 630 and Radeom RX vega. So that seems to be correct. Yet when I open the graphics control panel there are no profile options. I remember previously able to choose rgb, srgb, etc. Do you have those options available on your system? Thanks!

 

I returned my 9575 but I'm not sure if the profiles worked. I seem to recall a reddit thread in the past 2-3 days that talked about fixing the intel control panel... Maybe search there, if you can't find it let me know and I can search.

 

If u happen to find the link that would be great. So whyd you return it?

 

Here is that post, no idea if it works or not:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8oparl/fixing_the_dell_xps_15_2in1_9575/

I returned it because it only had 8gb of ram and I found myself running short, also the AMD drivers are pretty terrible. I loved the form factor and the keyboard, but I'm not going to spend 1800 bucks to get 16gb of ram, I can buy a GS65 or Razer 15 for that kinda cash...

 

Thanks

fyi for anyone thinking of doing a clean install, my read/write speeds literally doubled.

 

You'll have to let us know if that post fixes your intel control panel issues.

 

ok folks - anyone who has upgraded the ssd - whats the screw size? Ive tried philips 00 & 000 screwdrivers but no luck. Im afraid to strip the screw. Any wisdom? Thanks

 

I am fairly certain I used my Wera PH00. Are you applying enough downward pressure? Good quality driver set?

 

Use caution as that might be a special phillips screw. On some of the XPS units, Dell uses a JIS screw (which is Japanese Industrial Standard and sometimes indicated by a small dot on the screwhead). You can do more research on the internet to confirm what is in your 9575.

JIS screws are useful for shallow screwheads but can easily strip with a normal phillips screwdriver. Getting a stripped JIS screw out of the XPS is very tough (don't ask how I know)

 

Anyone have thoughts on the REAL world difference between SATA SSD and nVME. I know nVME benchmarks faster, but to my recollection, the last time I spent dough to go from a SATA 850 EVO to 960 EVO I saw no real difference in day to day use. I've seen a few youtube videos comparing app and game loading and there was NO difference, largely because modern software isn't able to use the speed of nVME to any real benefit. I've read that for some server applications and MAYBE editing a lot of small high rez files (4k video?) - may be worth the splurge.

My brain is thinking I'd rather stick a 2TB stick in here then spend the same for half capacity but higher speeds.

 

Go with the bigger SATA drive, you or I would never notice a difference... (well your wallet will)

 

Since I'll be getting one soon, is there any fix for PL throttling? it seems the radeon GPU drops to half speed or something during gaming?

 

The GPU stays pretty high in terms of clock speed. The CPU drops a lot. I fixed the throttling with bios flags but it runs way too hot and wasn't worth it.

 

I find that while charging the device below 90%, I get CPU throttling. After 90%, performance is more stable.

I really like the form factor - haven't used the Vega GPU too much yet though. I mainly focus on using my external GPU to play games, which has been decent. I'm using XTU along with a power plan hack a dell rep told me to use (max processor states set to 99%). I also could disable turbo boost in BIOS, but the issue when charging the battery seems like a glitch, or some way it manages thermals that doesn't make any sense.

I'm on the fence - flip of a coin to keep it over my MacbookPro setup. My MBP bootcamp is scripted and hacked to get eGPUs running and once windows updates to later versions (I'm still on 1703) will likely break the setup.

The 9575 isn't a perfect eGPU companion - still have a few glitches with getting it to recognize the eGPU when I plug it in (sometimes takes 3-4 re-plugs to recognize the box). Additionally, the unit still thinks it's plugged in after I disconnect the eGPU until I quickly plug a power source into the same port as I had the eGPU plugged into. I have no hardware faults, so this has to be a BIOS or software related issue with external graphics docks.

As for positives, the eGPU fully supports hotpluging and can go to sleep, hibernate, or fully reboot and the 9575 stays firmly connected to the eGPU. MacBook Pro can't touch that. I'm thinking a GSYNC monitor would rock with this setup as eGPUs tend to struggle with keeping games afloat above 60fps (often in that dreaded 40-70 FPS range). I'm not ready to fully embrace high refresh rate stuff just yet because I don't want to become that snobby about all the other 60hz displays in my life including my 60" 4K Samsung TV and Xbox One X!

 

My i7 has never had thermal issues - max CPU temp is 83C after an hour of SuperPI. I don't find the bottom that hot either - even under load. Fan behavior is too random though. I have seen active PL1 throttling though - sometimes it picks the GPU, other times CPU. Mostly have CPU issues while charging below 90%. GPU throttling can be random when fully charged. I've seen it downclock to 500Mhz random. I need to do more native gaming on the Vega chip though to see if I can get it to really work for an extended session.

 

This is how GPU acts most of the time for me...even fully charged

 

In the above screenshot, I've disabled Intel TurboBoost in the BIOS as well, that's why the CPU freq is low. I was running it before and getting CPU frequency ~3.4-3.6 Ghz steady but GPU was fluctuating between 400Mhz and 915Mhz.

 

That's terrible. I am angry.

 

What is the total power? I understand the TDP of the SoC (i7+Vega) is 65W but clamped by Dell to 45W or so - or does it throttle lower than that?
Have you repasted?

 

I still have my logs from my 9575 if anyone wants to take a look .When gaming it was my CPU that underclocked once it passed dell's 42w cutoff. Tricking the system to think the CPU was using less tdp just caused it to hit high temperatures and even though the clock speeds were better it didn't perform better.

 

Repasting won't solve this issue - it's all about PL1 limits, and not only that, but how this unique chipset decides which part of the same TDP gets the power. It's clearly deciding wrong - and I'm seeing it starve my GPU more often than CPU. I'm on BIOS 1.1.5 with all the latest drivers.

It really is a bummer, because I don't see a reason why this system needs to choke the GPU like it does. I would gladly drop the CPU freq and overall power draw below even base clocks (as long as it stays in the mid to high 2Ghz range) to keep the GPU well fed and staying locked at 1,011 Mhz. I've tried a ton of different power configs in windows, as well as in the Dell Thermal Management console. I've used XTU to undervolt, as well as Throttlestop (not at the same time). I've disabled TurboBoost. I still end up with PL Throttling, and it usually picks the GPU. I have seen issues with the CPU throttling, even when using an external GPU, but that was less common for me. Strangely, I have seen it stay pegged at 1,011Mhz for extended periods.

This could very well be sorted with BIOS and driver updates - the question for me is do I wait that out in hopes they get it right?

 

hahaha. . .

 

The thermal paste is a notorious problem of XPS's uderdesigned cooling, I think repasting is quite likely to reduce the temperatures even if you don't have direct thermal throttling.

It is not obvious what is triggering the PL throttling. Not necessarily the power limit... On the 9560 the usual suspect was the first Ambient sensor, with the 9570 also the DIMM sensor seems to be the first to start it. Dell hasn't released this info so far so I wouldn't expect them to, though they might change things with a BIOS update probably. What you can do is try to correlate PL kicking in with temperatures at various sensors. Some have tested by blowing cold air at specific board locations. Once you identify the trigger, you might figure out how to pad something to take some heat away from a critical place, or perhaps lower the temperature at the sensor by a few degrees if you think it is safe.

On the 9550/9560 some cancelled PL throttling by removing Intel DPTF. This perhaps made sense after taking care of VRM heat by padding etc which substantially reduced the mosfet temperatures at the same sensor reading. In the 9575, the VRMs are already padded, so I wouldn't recommend this unless you know what you're doing.

 

It's power limit throttling, check my other thread if you need more info. The 9575 is totally different than the 9560. Outside of modding the bios there is no way around it.

 

Yeah, multiple tools (XTU, HWInfo, ThrottleStop) all report PL throttling on the 9575.

I'm kicking myself now, because Notebookcheck's Stress testing on the 9575 shows the exact same GPU frequency behavior as mine...even though on their Witcher 3 test the freq was locked at 1,011Mhz. The other ones, Furmark and combo show the crazy 400Mhz-915Mhz oscillation under load.

Custom90gt, since you switched to the 9570, are you noticing that the GPU stays above 1500Mhz under stress? Notebook check shows the 9570 stays pegged on the GPU above 1500Mhz, even though the GPU heavily throttles in some cases. The overall TDP on the 9570 is certainly much higher than the 42W, and I'm assuming from NBC's analysis it throttles CPU over the GPU.

If I get the 9570, can I reasonably expect it to handle light gaming? I.e., Civ6, Fortnite. I just need an option while traveling to play a few titles at 1080P.

I know it's not a gaming laptop, but I have my external GTX1070 to use for the heavier titles which should heavily reduce load on the 9570. I just want the device to be able to handle my lighter titles on the road. I'm also hoping the weird TB3 port behavior won't happen on the 9570 either, and the driver compatibility should make things much smoother as well (nvidia for both internal and external GPU).

Alternates would be the Aero 15X or Razer 15. However, I already have a Dell financing account, and Dell's support is going to be better, and price is still going to be several hundred cheaper. I also like having a touchscreen as I find it extremely useful, and a fantastic experience when playing strategy games like Civilization. Also assuming the anti-glare coat on the 9570 is the same as the 9575 which I'm really liking.

I'm returning the 9575 today. These 3 issues are too much to deal with on an 1800 dollar laptop.

 

Have you reported this to Dell support to forward to engineering? I know it's a long shot, but the only way to get issues addressed with Dell is to report them en masse.

 

Have you tried BIOS 1.1.5?
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=45FRY
Fixes:
- Fixed the Fan Noise and loud when AC plugged.
- Updated CPU microcode to address security advisory Intel Security Advisory INTEL-SA-00115 (CVE-2018-3639 & CVE-2018-3640).
Enhancement:
- Support product image for BIOS flash update warning message

 

I had every new driver, latest windows, latest BIOS, etc.

 

I mean, this one looks fresh, today's date.

 

So I got my 9575 today with the pen. I see the pen has a lanyard so you can attach it to... what? There doesn't seem to be anywhere on the 9575 you can attach it to :/

 

will it go into the lock dock?

 

nah, that's one-way only.

Just tested with eGPU. higher gfx score on the 9575 than my XPS 15 9570 by a significant amount. Hits 14300 where my XPS 15 9570 hits 12700.

 

It could be a lanyard for your bag or something as well. I would hate to have it connected while using it anyways. Awesome on the eGPU scores. This deivce keeps looking better and better, wish mine would hurry up and get here. Weather is brutal here. We just had our third snow storm of JUNE. WTF?

 

So - obviously this is not as popular as the 9570... but as a photographer and video editor, this screamed to me for a portable editing station, especially when traveling internationally and need the weight reduction / space. I was and still am carrying a MSI GE73VR which was a mind blowing savings compared to my alienware 17R2 I used for years editing and moving around. Now that I focus less on demanding gaming performance and require the best in screens, it seems the 4k screen is killer on paper.

Has ANYONE with the 4k screen confirmed 100% adobe rgb? If my calibration tool does not, do I need to send back for a replacement when I get it?

Right now, you can get 170 off with the 4th promo, and tack on another 200 off with the coupon 200off1699 when you spec out the mid range model shown on the deals page to increase the ram for $100 to 16 gb, then increase the display for 300 to the 4k panel. The new price will show the highest tier model for 1999, then it will show 170 promo off (that didnt previously apply). In cart, login and use the above code and the price comes all the way down to 1629 for the i7 4K, 256gb ssd (1 tb WD ordered on amazon), and 16gb ram. This makes this package a lot more appealing than the original 1999 price point. Just FYI. . . also 9% back in rewards (147 roughly) and 2% Ebates (another 33 bucks) after tax and rebates brings my total to just over 1500....

 

Check the notebookcheck review on the 9575:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...-M-GL-4K-UHD-Convertible-Review.301916.0.html

It only has 71% adobe RGB. Even if it had 100% and your calibrator said 95% dell isn't going to swap you units.

 

Since dell quotes 100% it would be false advertising and against the reasoning for my purchase. But we will see

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Dell does say 100% adobe RGB for the 4k screen. You can buy it and if it's not 100% you can return it, but I can tell you right now you will be returning it.

 

Do tell?

And I did order the 4k see post above. I am a traveling photographer and videographer, battery life is not as important to me

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Do tell what? Dell gives you 30 days to return the machine free of charge. I can tell you the 4k machine won't be 100% adobe RGB even after calibration. You probably should look elsewhere if that's really important to you.

 

Why I will be returning. But you did say why so yeah.... ok.

If it's truly only 72% i will be better going with the gigasuck that has much closer to 100. Ugh.

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I don’t know where you are getting 72 percent . It’s 100 for sRGB and 97 for Adobe RGB.

 

From a review that actually measures the colors. It's not 97% Adobe RGB. Check the link.

 

That review is obviously wrong. Actually I just read 5 reviews from photography site that test this as one of the major things they look at and all of them actually have it at 100 percent for adobe RGB.

 

So looking at some other reviews they calibrate their display at 98% Adobe RGB, even lisa@mobiletech. Perhaps there is hope for the 9575, not sure what NBC was doing.

Looks like other users have gotten similar crap panels. Guess Dell has some production issues.

 

Or looks like your review site messed up their calibration and screwed up the settings.

All reviews I have seen have similar high ratings for color gamut. Nothing like what you are reading. I just read 10 or so.

 

There are a handful of users on Reddit that have monitors that show similar ~70% Adobe RGB coverage, so Dell probably got some bad panels.

 

I trust reddit users like I trust politicians.

 

That's reasonable, but NBC is a trustworthy site so I'm inclined to think they got a bad panel.