*** XPS 15 7590 Owners Lounge ***

Do you ever get battery drain from that?

 

Sorry. Just to clear things out. My message was meant for the 9570 model. No battery drain but when at full load the charging stops. Gpu runs at 12xxmhz core stable. Im currently using the ravpower 60w usbc gan charger now but it's the same result when I was using the 87w apple charger. That's how I ran lumion or other games without throttling issues

I also have a tb16 dell dock which provides 100w of usbc power. It will charge slowly instead of stopping. But i will still reach 12xx mhz stable after a few minutes from 16xx due to power throttling. But with this method, It doesn't reach 75c so no throttling further down. I get throttling below 1200mhz using the default charger due to heat

 

You changed it from 3/5 to 4/5 I expect you will change once again (but is it finally fixed? Nope) if and when Dell push out new firmware which make it worse again. Then I expect you will give it 2/5. But it’s too late for the former/current buyers then. They(many buyers read reviews before purchase) jumped on this due the 4/5 verdict in your review.

 

I'm afraid I had to. I do think it's a fairly good purchase in its current mode (I would rate the UHD IPS SKU higher), but I also made it clear I will be following along with the XPS 15's updates and will adjust scores accordingly.

 

my XPS i9 variant won't wake up from sleep when i undervolt similar to what this guy says on the initial start of his video im stable at -130 went down to -100 and it still persists maybe i have to go lower

 

any idea if this spare part can be fitted into a 9560?

 

afaik, it's a different mount pattern (4 screws total...) and the VRM layout is different, even vs early version 9570 laptops.

 

sigh, thats a shame. thanks for the info anyway!

 

I just got my 7590 i9 4k IPS version this afternoon. I've just been idling through basic new system set up stuff and the palm rest below Ctrl key is crazy hot. Considerably hotter than my gen 1 9530 with dual drives ever got. Is it normal to be able to fry an egg to the left of the touchpad?

 

Should only be the battery under the main palmrest areas, since I am assuming you have the 97Whr battery.

Though right under the control key is the battery's charge controller, so maybe? I've never had it get hot before, but I also have ExpressCharge disabled.

 

Thanks, I will look into the battery charging setting. That's the only area that is getting warm at all.

 

On my i5 9300H, I'm sticking with a 110.4mV CPU/Cache undervolt, 25.4mV IGP undervolt and a 38/37/36/36 turbo limit.

GPU seems to largely hover around 850MHz or so while gaming, and spiking up to ~1700MHz as necessary. Setting Whispermode to 65FPS seems to avoid the stuttering, while also avoiding thermal triggering.

CPU consumes a bit under 25W in gaming loads (StarCraft 2 Coop and Apex Legends), which is fine, since the system pushes PL1 drawn down to 25/20W when gaming, anyways. GPU usually consumes about 15W in SC2, and around 15W in Apex Legends, with humps cresting at 34W or so.

No power limit or thermal throttling in SC2 Coop, but both are flagged in Apex Legends. In Apex Legends, it doesn't seem to affect the gameplay, though I am at minimum settings, 1080p. and 60FPS adaptive resolution. The GPU is already cruising along at 850MHz, so it doesn't actually seem to throttle. That being said, as I gain more confidence in the CPU-side (where I have faced the most trouble in taming), I'll eventually switch over to focusing on the GPU.

It seems the system total power draw (as reported in HWINFO, obviously, the data can be suspect) is around a consistent 45W in SC2, and a lumpy average to 50W in Apex Legends. CPU temps in the low 90s, high 80s. GPU temps in the mid to low 70s. Fan noise isn't that noisy, but that is very much a personal opinion.

I'll keep on working on this to see what I can get.

 

Found someone with iGPU-only on reddit, you can ask your questions to him: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/co4y36/xps_15_7590_palmrest_heat/?st=jz4ecg2i&sh=7bb890bb

 

Much appreciated!

 

Does anyone know if Vostro 15 7590 is similar to XPS 15 7590 in terms of display quality?

 

90% and Very Good How it perform (massive throttling - awful cooling) doesn’t matter. See... Design before functionality.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Power...rce-GTX-1650-OLED-Laptop-Review.428748.0.html

And of course not the big changes for latency... Yeah, what being said from Dell on Twitter doesn’t matter.

 

After I got the last BIOS update, I decided to try again.

No more clock limiting in TS (41/41/40/40 now), now a 110.4mV undervolt.

Whispermode is now completely disabled, since it seems to still introduce a bit of strange latency.

Now in Apex Legends, the throttling tags are still tripped after ~10 minutes, but still no effect. CPU is now throttled to 15W, and uses about 10W in game. Clocks around 2.5GHz. GPU gets a lot more power now. Somewhat stable in the 1700MHz range, compared to ~850Mhz before (while cresting at 1500 or so). Reported system power use is actually a bit more stable, too.

Also found the hwinfo/throttlestop dialog box I saw earlier.

 

Notebookcheck cannot give low score, they will stop receiving free review sample units from Dell ;-) At least they mentioned that it does overheat in review itself.

 

Yeah, it’s very sad seeing they have to sink so low. In the end this will hit back. For both Notebookcheck.net reviewers and Dell. See my older post above regarding Latency issues and promised fix. Then compare it with my post #166 you just quoted. Add in all other flaws and this is worth 90%

Edit. Maybe the change from last years screwed up webcam position added so much extra points...


+optimal webcam positioning

 

Ahhhh! Throttle, throttle, throttle! The new comet lake-u should be more complimentary ( which they offer on the xps 2 in 1) but where is the i7-1071u? Tiger lake-u around the corner would make this an ideal laptop with it's limited thermal envelope. Let the thermals loose and raise the performance TDPs and quit the pretense the current xps can handle an true i9.

Dummy me. I meant ice lake for comet.

 

Ice Lake U does seem to be limited to 4 cores, though early reviews do seem to indicate it has relatively the same performance of the Coffee Lake R i5 9300H, while consuming much less power.

Also, unlike previous U series silicon, it seems Ice Lake U will maintain 40 high speed transceivers (16 for all four TB3 connections, 4 for DMI/OPI 3.0), just like the regular H and S silicon. In the past, the PCIe blocks were often replaced with some dark silicon of some sort. Intel promised it had use, but who knows, lol?

The point is (rather, my bad guess is), it should be really easy to create a regular Ice Lake H/S quad core. But that's just an uninformed guess.

 

I believe XPS 15 7590 has better display metrics overall with the FHD being 500 nits and 1500:1 contrast ratio while the Vostro 7590 is supposed to have a display with 300 nits and 600:1 contrast ratio. In theory, both are 72% NTSC and the XPS has wider viewing angles.
On the other hand, there are reports of Inspiron 7590 (very similar to the Vostro 7590) using a superior panel that has 400 nits and contrast ratio of 700:1.
Lastly, the Vostro 7590 differentiates itself by having a matte display instead of glossy.

 

Lisa Gade has some great reviews at MobileTechReview

 

Are these still problematic in all the areas as the previous version? Seems like a good price for the OLED if you have a MC nearby.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/609517/xps-15-7590-156-gaming-laptop-computer---silver

 

My week old 7590 i9 with 4k IPS screen is still acting like a stovetop. Palm rest on left side is warm from top all the way down and to the left of the touch pad is warm and it is hot to the touch below and left of the CTRL key. Rapid charging is turned off. Also the fan runs at full almost all the time. Spent two hours on the phone and with Dell support controlling it as they tried different things but they were clueless to the cause. Typing this from my 1st gen XPS15 while I wait for tier three support to email be back. Pretty disappointed in my $3k investment at this point. Anyone else having these kind of heat and fan issues? Beginning to look at Aero 15.

Thanks,
Brian

 

Well, despite promising not to after three failed 9570s, I decided to order the 7590 after all with an i9 (I mostly do short bursts) and the IPS panel. Will be interesting to see if Dell has uped their game regarding QC and stability while I must admit to having some doubts. Its just not that easy to find any better alternatives, the X1E has its own share of problems as well and already having a few Dell peripherals etc I just could not see any major advantages to that one of this one. Do have a 14 day return window as a EU citizen and I know what to look for based on previous XPS:es...

@GoNz0 So, are you upgrading this time around then? Missed you on the 9570

 

I came very close to buying the i5, iGPU-only model of the XPS 15 7590. I don't need a dGPU or the fastest CPU, but an excellent 15" display, keyboard, and I/O are musts, as is 16GB of RAM (the iGPU-only model comes with just 8GB, but at least it's upgradeable) and light weight. The XPS 15 wins compared to the new Lenovo Carbons and Extremes (too expensive; limited RAM options on Carbon), new Asus Zenbooks with their Screenpad 2.0s (too expensive), HP Spectres and Elitebooks (various issues), Acer Swift 5 (poor display), and Clevo's various $1000-ish 15" models (great prices but with a mix of either a poorer display in the US, heavier weight, and/or poor battery life), the new XPS 15 is a winner.

But I ended up buying the Samsung Notebook Pro 15" NP940X5N-X01US instead because it's lighter, has 16GB of RAM, and as a bonus, it has an i7 CPU (though 8th gen), dGPU, touchscreen, built-in stylus, and it's a foldable 2-in-1. It's also cheaper. The XPS's build quality, sleek appearance, and display are still better (XPS = matte and 15.6"; Pro 15" = glossy and an odd 15.0"), so the XPS remains my second choice. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I'll be happy with the Notebook Pro 15" when I receive it next week; if not, I may return it and get the XPS 15". (Although these reports of hot palm rests on the XPS 15 are giving me even more pause now).

This user posted similar complaints on reddit (iGPU-only model): https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/co4y36/xps_15_7590_palmrest_heat/?st=jz4ecg2i&sh=7bb890bb

 

Mind sharing what problems the Lenovo Thinkpad Extreme issues are? Just out of interest?

 

Someone done some 4K gameplay samples? I prefer gaming at 4K at low/medium over 1080p at high for slow paced games.
Can it run older games like CS:GO, Rocket League, ... on 4K?

 

I have the I9, 4K screen, have been dealing with Dell for the last month on getting my laptop fixed having heat, fan, audio and video issues, reloaded windows, updated firmware, drivers, windows, etc. all what Dell wanted done they even logged in a few times to update drivers and firmware still not working properly told them to replace parts or the computer, still waiting for them to respond. I have had mine for a year and it's worse than ever.

 

Your issue definitely sounds similar to mine, but if you've had it a year, you must be referring to the previous model.

Can anyone who owns one of the new 2019 models confirm or deny the heat level they are experiencing on the left side of the top deck, and particularly around the CTRL key? And what about fan noise. Mine kicks up to full the second I hit the power button and doesn't stop after boot up. With no programs running the fan cycles between half and full power. So far tier 1 and 2 support have no idea about a cause or a fix.

I am definitely sending this one back but I'm trying to decide if I reorder the same configuration (i9, 4k IPS, 32gb ram, 2tb ssd) or drop down to the i7 or start researching Aero and Razer. I am not a gamer but a visual designer working with illustration, photo and video.

Thanks in advance for your feedback,
Brian

 

Can you install "Dell Command I Power Manager" and try Thermal management>Quiet? This is the only direct fan speed adjustment Dell offers.

Also you could use "Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options" and try "Balanced" or "Power Saver"

Finally, Intel has a nifty system called SpeedShift. You can enable that in BIOS. Then adjust the EPP lower for more power and higher for less power. You might be able to adjust EPP in "Power Options" advanced settings but might be hidden. After unhiding, the 9550 and 9560 tended to ignore your requested EPP (not sure if Dell changed that but you would have to check). Free ThrottleStop software is the easiest to set and confirm EPP level. You can learn more about SpeedShift here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-xps-speed-shift.796891/

 

Below the left Ctrl there's a charging circuit. Check the 9560 thermal insanity FLIR video, still applies. Now and then folks complain over abnormal heat in that area, sometimes after battery replacement, but there doesn't seem to be much one can do.

 

Sorry about that I guess I didn't read too closely as it was the 7590 thread, I don't know if the i7 would be any better hopefully someone who has the new one can help you out.

 

Gonna receive my XPS15 i7 OLED within 7 days. Something I should test or make a vid from?

 

Got the last xps 15 7590 OLED i7 9750H 16GB 512GB from our local Micro Center. Glad I held out for this coming from xps 15 9550, skipping the subsequent two generations. The screen is lovely, I can live without touch and no overheating probs. It appears I got a BIOS update via Windows Update instead of the Dell update utility. Great machine.

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Glad that Dell has now finally solved the DPC problems on the XPS....

 

That is terrible performance.

 

Could be worse

 

Mouse pointer hovering over the buy button on Lenovos website now. The fact that Dell has also managed to get the 7590 non compatible with the TB16 docking stations (despite being kind of identical to the 9560 and 9570) does not help the case either. I get the feeling that Dell just does not care anymore

Well, on a postive note, the 60W that my 240W TB16 manage to deliver to the 7590 at least makes CPU throttling not a problem anymore

(The dockingstation works fine with the 9560 so its not broken or anything, at least not more than on delivery)

 

Hehe, but I've seen better screenshots too.

 

And now the bloody thing was stuck at 0.79 Ghz and refused to charge....had to open it up and pull the battery to get it working again. Seriously Dell...

 

Which usb-c charger works? My 65W Lenovo USB-C puts out 20V 3.25A but won’t charge the xps 15 7590 battery. I would like one charger in my office which can charge this and my X1 Yoga. Perhaps a bigger Lenovo charger would work?

 

My 9560 did the same thing two weeks...its the worst!

 

Well, pulling the battery seem to have solved the problem though and for the last couple of days the TB16 (240W version) have been able to provide at least 130W it seems. Have to decide soon if I should take my chances or return it and go for an X1E instead but I wonder if the grass is really greener on the other side or if it is more of the same.

 

Mine does the same thing so far Dell has replaced the cpu fans, heatsinks and mainboard now but they said they won't take the 3rd party app. finding as they don't support it so I am back at step 1 again as the cpu usage and memory are using running at 80-90% not sure what I can do now as Dell considers it fixed because they replaced parts.

 

The refreshed XPS 15 7590 haven't been here so long... If this new one follow its predecessor XPS 15 9570 then expect some not so nice firmware updates

 

Check for anything useful here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/c8rryj/finally_got_my_xps15_7590hoping_to_test_it_out_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/csylyi/xps_15_dpc_latency_daw_audio/
https://www.notebookcheck.net/XPS-1...75-C-throttling-and-no-S3-sleep.426999.0.html

 

Well, lets hope not

That said, I have to say that so far its been running quite nice, the DPC problem isnt really noticeable that much IRL (I am not a music producer or anything, as long as Spotify works and no obvious lag, I am happy). And the i9 seems to be working surprisingly well with not to much fan noise. That said, I've probably adjusted my expectations based on previous XPS experience and I have not really done any benches etc.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/d5itbk/my_brand_new_xps_15_7590_was_in_my_backpack_today/

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