XPS 15 9560 owners thread.

Dont see any noticeable different..

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Bios 1.4.0
Bios 1.5.0

My next cooling project

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Thermal Manangement #2

1. 3M Thermal Conductive Acrylic Interface Pads 5589H, 5590H & 5571 (t, 1.0)
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company...terface-Pad-5589H?N=5002385+3294001869&rt=rud
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company...terface-Pad-5590H?N=5002385+3294001865&rt=rud
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company...nterface-Pad-5571?N=5002385+3294001881&rt=rud
2. Aluminium MOSFET heatsink
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/20pcs-Aluminum-6-5x6x3-5mm-Mini-Heat-Sink-MOSFET-MOS-IC-Chipest-Cooling-Heatsink/221723027375?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
3. Kapton Tape (we normally use to seal from Solder area, can withstand up till 250c)
http://www.lazada.sg/kapton-tape-hi...-resistant-tape-5size-30mmexport-7313785.html

 

how about going from 1.3.4 that I'm still using due to some guys reporting increased idle frequencies?

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Simple enough, try it yourself and see how you get on it isn't like you can't roll back.

 

Nothing bad about idle frequency. It just idling as it supposed to be. FAN is idle during office-work. But when I do demanding tasks (like compiling code, browsing demanding pages) it might spin up for few seconds.

BTW: actually your CPU might consume less energy at FID x11 instead ... - do tasks faster - sleep longer. new CPUs benefit from lower FIDs less than from deepest sleep states. That's because you cannot lower voltage 4 times when you go from 3.2GHz to 0.8GHz ... actual voltage drops by ~40%, but when ALU sleeps - it completely switched off. The only disadwantage of it - it wake up little longer (and power-consuming) from this state

 

As a newbie I don't think to simple and stupid solution. Thanks.

 

For some reason I thought I can't... thx

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Bios rollback is enabled by default but can be turned off in the BIOS in case it doesn't let you.

 

Got word back from Dell again after calling and sending some more pictures. Apparently, suddenly they don't see the discoloration as a problem anymore (while it's basically the same on this screen as on the previous two) and say they won't do anything about it. However, they want to take it in to their own repair centre to fix the misaligned screen, and the rear plastic cover that the first repairman they sent bent. Two week turnaround. Luckily I'm on holiday for three weeks, so at least I won't miss the laptop too much. Anyway, will report back once I get it back.

 

I wouldn't stand for it, if they swapped it once and now won't do anything about it demand a refund, you are entitled. Threaten a credit card chargeback as that helps (the guys you speak with on the phone have no access to your payment method so don't worry about that)

 

So I've been looking into buying this laptop for video editing and slightly put off by the complaints I've seen. How common is it to just have a nightmare with this thing? Is it a small minority who experience issues? Judging by what I've seen online, it seems like the majority of these computers are just broken.

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You'll always hear more complaints than praise on any device/car/whatever when you read the forums. Dell sells a lot of laptops and my guess is the majority of users are happy. I've only had one issue with the many XPS systems I've owned, most of the stuff that I did to my laptop I did it for fun.

 

The sample is heavily biased towards those with issues and those optimizing this laptop. No laptop is perfect so there will always be something.

If you read the post here carefully over the past few years, you will see the Skylake 9550 was a disaster on release but was after (many) months, Dell ironed out most of the issues with drivers and BIOS. The Kaby Lake 9560 is a very similar unit and CPU (with lots of shared parts) so the release was much smoother.

One thing you will see is that some minor tweaks give you a massive bump in performance for "free." The small case and high performance CPU-GPU put a lot of thermal stress on the unit so a simple undervolt and repaste make a big difference for more extreme users. There are more radical tweaks to further reduce throttling for those wishing to go a step further.Those are not necessary but are the subject of many posts here.

 

My next notebook for sure is the xps 15....it's awesome. don't let any of the haters in here sway you....its 99 percent ******** from what I can tell doing my research. The throttling is a non issue since its still one of the fastest notebooks you can buy today...even better with an external GPU for gaming. But you easily get 10 hrs battery life (contrary to what the haters here say), you get a much faster device than more expensive devices, you get touch screen 4k screen, 32 gb of ram and a 2 tb SSD, Its a killer notebook.

Check out these diddies!

https://www.windowscentral.com/raze...m_medium=superfeature&utm_campaign=navigation

And the review

https://www.windowscentral.com/dell-xps-15-9560


As you can read, Daniel found the 9560 run really cool, with LONG battery life, and very very fast. the couple of haters in here are benchmarking, overclocking etc and trying to make the device overheat and throttle.

 

Someone forgot to take their meds.

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So I've

Where can you buy w/ option for a 2TB SSD?

 

Id didn't say I would be buying it WITH the 2TB ssd did I? I said mine would have it. and even after purchasing the Drive, I will still be hundreds cheaper than lesser machines.

 

better go get them before you forget again.

 

What are your thoughts on this machine?

 

Had my 2nd dose of the day already thanks

Great when you get a good one, a nightmare when you don't and as someone who has had about 5 9530's, 5 9550's and 3-4 9560's I can tell you each and everyone had something wrong with it even if it is just the need of a good repaste or a bit of Dremel work to remove a badly cnc'd standoff, often it is worth a bit of work if you get a good panel. As a laptop engineer, I went with the XPS range as nothing came close at the time of release and this is coming from a factory trained Toshiba engineer.

For the price I expect perfection.

And Kojack, the reviews a 1080 panel so the battery will be better, I can't see any tests to see the clocks during benchmarking so how do you know his 9560 didn't throttle?

No one on here has had one that doesn't downclock in games so I will stick with the 100% on here over the review you linked with no results to back it up?

Also, spouting haters will get you a long way, No one hates it, they just know it takes work to get it how you expect it so maybe you should read the 317 pages before you spout off over 1 review that didn't do any in-depth tests. You will find the so-called haters are the ones going above and beyond to get even more out of these machines, if they hated it they would have returned it.

 

I'm looking for something powerful and sleek to do video editing. I'm coming over from a Macbook Pro. But I'm really looking for reliability most of all. I'll be traveling and don't have the time nor desire to put a bunch of energy into my laptop. Is there any brand / computer you know of that, while maybe not as powerful as the XPS, is just incredibly reliable?

 

As I said, WHO CARES if it throttles when it blows the doors off the MacBook pro in editing speeds.

 

Nothing wrong with this if you get one with a decent screen out the box and don't mind repasting the heatsinks. Buy one, take advantage of the returns window and make your own opinion

Precision 5520 seems to be better build quality but you pay for that

Or look at the Lenovo P51?

 

Does Dell offer some kind of nifty maintenance software like Lenovo does for the XPS15, where you can do stuff like set a max charge level for the battery to make it last longer when plugged into the AC most of the time? Or are those that BIOS only settings?

 

Any updates on the DPC problems with the XPS15? Have been away for a while from the forums

I've just noticed by an accident more or less that when doing heaving wifi load I had no problems with DPC....unless I was playing some kind of sound at the same time (in this case Spotify). However, just playing music and no WiFi load did not cause this, so it seems to be simultaneous usage of WiFi and sound that cause this.

 

I received my 4k 9560 last Monday from amazon. I followed the fresh install guide here on the forum, updated the drivers and all is well. No major issues to report. Very happy with my purchase. My biggest irritant was/is the 4k DPI scaling with apps such as Adobe, it was all a surprise to me but I am slowly beginning to find a happy medium with helpful tips from this forum and elsewhere.

 

Dell power command software

Adobe has scaled fine for at least a year?

 

According to the documentation, the Power command software only works on certain models and could not see the XPS as one of them which surprised me. Are you sure?

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It is listed for our 9560 http://www.dell.com/support/home/uk...-15-9560-laptop&languageCode=en&categoryId=UT

Just because it doesn't show under your service tag doesn't mean it won't work.

 

Thanks, just googled for it and ended up on a Dell page listing supported models. Dell does not have a multi purpose utility for all "maintenance settings" like Lenovo and others?

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They have various command software but no all in 1.

 

Yes, thats the conclusion I came to also. What Power Command tools are needed then for a small shop, ie not enterprise features?

Not sure if I am dreaming but in the last couple of months the Dell Update has actually begun to find actual updates, is this a temporary problem and it will soon go back to its dormant mode?

 

Just noticed that the XPS line isn't mentioned on that page either, you are sure it works on the 9560? Have just done a fresh installation and do not want to begin with trial and error installations

"Dell Command | Power Manager

This package provides Dell Command | Power Manager and is supported on Latitude, Precision and Dell Venue 11 Pro models running the following 64bit Windows operating systems: Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10."

 

Apart from me and others using it if you looked at the link you will see the massive clue (9560 is in the link)
Sod what else Dell says
You probably need to Configure, deploy & command, maybe update cat' but before you ask I do not know how to use them as I only had a look at configure to customise the BIOS.

 

I think the beneficial feature is that Dell Upgrade does not pull beta upgrades automatically.

I removed Dell Upgrade and install drivers after they have been battletested here for a few weeks or months. You should do the same.

 

These days most drivers seem to be bundled with Windows 10 anyway so not really that many drivers you need to download manually unless there is a specific problem. That said, being a control freak, I do that anyway as there might be the last 0,001% extra performance in them....but usually it ends up only with new problems

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For those that don't know, it used to be that Dell Update found nothing for several years

 

Scroll down to "Compatible Systems", open it, look at the last item in the leftmost column.

 

Quick question about sound quality through headphones. Dre beats rumble playing through iPhone but I play the same song on iTunes through the xps 9560 and it sounds like it was recorded in a tin can. Same results with YouTube. What gives?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks.

 

What is the general consensus on the Killer Wireless 1535 card in the 9560? I am consistently having trouble with mine, with the lowest signal strength and speeds of all my Wireless AC devices, even when right next to each other. Trying to determine if its a card, antenna, or software issue, or whether I should just swap it for an Intel card

 

I play games with headphones in and it seems to be okay? I'll try a song tomorrow but I would assume it'd be in the audio drivers. I seem to recall somebody making a custom audio driver for it that I installed. I'll have a look tomorrow.

Seems to be the first thing people swap out from having a browse through the forums. Mines abit dicky but not totally pants, I will be upgrading in the next 6 months though

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Here are my very fresh impressions of the ux550ve:

• Looks way more premium than matte-screen model. It really does look fetching in person, more than I expected
• Asus trackpad is laggy and sucks compared to the xps 15's
• Tb3 is x4 but cannot charge
• Chassis very solid when lid is shut. No keyboard flex but a bit of flex under firm pressure in the above-keyboard area
• Fans don't seem to get fast enough to cool the machine down. My unit has CLU on the CPU and ICD on the gpu with a -120UV. CPU hits 80 in gaming and so does the gpu, meanwhile the fans are still quiet.
• Audio is poor
• Fingerprints and smudges
• Performance is decent for form factor --6600 total firestrike-- but it is still a bit short of other 1050ti laptops
• Overall I like it a lot more than I expected.

 

Just swap it out for an Intel unit. Killer drivers go through cycles of crap/less crap/more crap/even more crap/less crap. Just skip the headache and get something that always works.

 

I still don't know what's with all the Killer wireless issues, I've never had an issue with mine.

 

I never used to, but when trying to load YouTube videos or even Facebook pages it literally has a moment for 2 minutes and seems to stop receiving any wifi

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Same here, it holds fast at 866.7 mbps everywhere in my house, the 1530 used to bounce up and down. I think the majority of problems come from the routers.

 

I have not had disconnect issues, but there are networks that the Killer 1535 refuses to connect to under Windows, any attempt will crash the driver, causing the wifi icon to disappear until a restart. Works fine under Linux. And the Intel 8265 has no such issues.

 

When did GoNz0 start working for Killer Networks?

 

Shhhh

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Why did they remove the lower 20%? I heard there are older version of BIOS which didnt flicker at those lower brihtness settings... but had different issues with usb-c though.

 

Not sure. The BIOS update that caused flicker on the UHD supposedly fixed flicker some had on the FHD. I also have the impression that Dell guys and gals have difficulty following the changes in the Intel video driver and that a lot of trouble arises from that, and it isn't sure how much blame is on which side.

For instance, all vendors have had issues with TB3, so it is quite safe to say it was Intel that effed up. But only companies like Dell and HP could afford to launch TB3 laptops and docks before they could be reasonably claimed functional (they did it because they were trigger-happy when dumping old dock connectors but feared they would lose dock users if they admitted they didn't have functional docks).

 

They removed the lower levels as they couldn't fix the flicker issue.