XPS 15 9560 owners thread.

Hmm.. I see... maybe I should consider switching to the FHD version then.. =\
Btw, thanks for the input. Cheers

 

FWIW, I use 250% scaling and have very few issues with blurring. Only some legacy apps that have not been updated in awhile or barebones technical programs (Eagle CAD) give me issues. And Vas is right on with setting consistent scaling across displays to lessen this issue, although some updated apps (Firefox, office suite) and all UWP (Edge) apps handle the differences fine. I use these across my 4k screen and external 1080p without issue generally.
Also, you can mess around with compatibility settings by right clicking the program. It allows you to override high DPI scaling on a per program basis in the unlikely event that helps.
Hoping better support is on the way, but feel like its always a year away

 

Question for you guys, what laptop sleeve do you guys use for the 9560? Just got mine and I'm in the market for one. Can't seem to find one that fits this laptop.

Thanks!

 

LOL, that reminds me, made a reddit thread about it;
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/7gvihs/xps_owners_looking_for_a_sleevebag_look_no/

 

Since a few days i only have the "balanced" power scheme ... I remember there was power saving and power mode too some time ago ... DO you have same behavioir`?

 

yes. this happens just after creators update installed

 

When I started considering replacing my XPS 9530 with the new 9560 I was really curious about how the two really compared size wise. I couldn't find any comparisons online, so before I sold my 9530 I threw together this quick little video. Hope it helps someone.

 

Yeah but they are sold out already. Thanks for the link though.

 

Cool video Dave. I like the size of the 9560 more, however, the profile and exterior design of the 9530 is a nice overall design I think. The 60 is the best non detachable 15" notebook available right now. The surface book 2 is right up there with it too. My 2 favorite devices are the book series and the xps series.

 

Ive been lurking here for quite a while...after reading occasional horror stories I switched to aero 15. after reading the whole 157 pages I was disappointed with gigabytes cheating and lies about the screen I decided against them. Then I was thinking about dell precision 5510, but Im a bit worried if M1000 2gb is enough for my needs. And since its almost the same machine as xps 9560, Im back here.

I want to do photo, and video editing 4k in 1/2 resolution, rendering 4k. No games. I would opt for FHD screen, i7 7700HQ, 16gb ram(add later), 500gb or 1tb ssd. Adobe premiere. Occasional ext monitor via hdmi.

Any video guys around?
Is this going to be good enough for my needs and without the well known termal throttling issues?

 

Just switched from a Killer 1535 to a Intel 9260. Stability is much improved!


Xfinity speed test on 802.11AC

 

Anyone tried hackintosh on this thing? Ive read you have to switch killer 1535 wifi card but i dont know which one would be compatible with hackintosh.

 

Where did you get 9260?

Mine 8265 still on its way. Taking long to deliver.
Ordered here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New...FF-802-11ac-867Mbps-2x2-WIFI/32793378068.html

 

From bplus (google them), $43 + $19 shipping, took 5 business days.

 

FYI, I also found that BPlus is also a newegg marketplace seller. You can buy it from them through newegg.com at same price, but returns and customer service is handled by newegg if needed. Might be helpful for some regions: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAEY36MV1265

 

Dell on eBay has the i7 4K 16GB 512gb flavor for $1379 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/222721969182?afepn=5337259887&rmvSB=true

 

That is a very good price.

 

That price is amazing, it's almost what I paid for mine. Looks like it's time to sell before I get price nuked with the next revision coming out.

But I'll have to ship it out to dell to get all my problems resolved with it. Including my nearly ~%20 battery wear (After 4 months).

 

Has anyone else updated to the latest TB3 firmware release? I just did, and under details its now displaying two TB3 controllers for some reason, one at NVM firmware 21.01, and one at NVM 26.00 (which is the correct updated version). Is anyone updated also seeing this? I haven't noticed any errors with the port, but weird to see this.
Also, I noticed for the first time that it says "External GPUs Supported: Yes", instead of No. I don't know if this is new, or old and I didn't notice, but may be good news to see some level of "official" support

 

I put mine in a backpack so i need something that allows me to throw it around. The Thule Gauntlet for the MacBook pro 15 fits perfectly: https://www.thule.com/en-us/us/comp...let-30-macbook-pro-sleeve-15-_-tl_85854234856

 

How do you care power brick with you ?

 

Separately in the backpack where i put this in. I carry much more stuff all the time anyway, just a sleeve wouldn't work for me personally.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

 

New BIOS

http://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukdhs1/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=VNN2D

 

FHD version here. I have some backlight bleed around the top right corner and the top centre of the screen. It doesn't bother me much, the thing that worries me is that if I put some slight pressure aroud the inner bezel (the one that directly touches the screen) the bleed gets much worse and it turns back to normal after 3-4 seconds from release, on the right corner, and almost instantly on the bottom.
Apart from the bleeding, that is not normal but common and acceptable for me, is this behaviour described normal? Could I permanently increase bleeding with time? (when I open the laptop I inevitably put some pressur on the top centre).

I think we can't reliably compare the fhd and 4k version since the 4k one seems to have a more "solid" frame


also, what are the best settings for taking backlight bleeding photo with a phone camera( such as iso..)? The default settings exaggeate the defect and make it appear much much worse that it really is

 

Installed: no issues yet

 

Unfortunately after the update my battery do a 100%-5% in 1.5 hour. Normally I did 3 or 4 hours.
I checked with HwInfo64 and I noticed that clock of all 4 cores is locked at 3.5 Ghz even idle PC.

How can I solve it?

 

If you experience backlight bleeding it would be noticeable at any exposure level when you display just whole screen black picture.
Some people call "backlight bleeding" to just "backlight unevenness"... most displays have this effect which is usually more brighter at the edges of display while backlight bleeding its just bright white rows/columns at the edges.

You can increase bleeding only if you physically move matrix within its frame

 

First of all make sure there are no piece of software preventing your CPU from idling.
Then make sure selected proper power-scheme.

 

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I have a "Intel Audio Service" that use 30% of CPU.
I use "balanced" power-scheme.

 

Interesting thing found:
when PC connected to external display (one display config, laptop display disabled) via USB-C->HDMI cable CPU cant fall deeper than C2 package sleep state.
But when disconnected it shows ~10% of C3 and ~35% of C8.
Looks strange to me

 

Anyone with a 960 evo/pro tried hardware encryption since the BIOS update?

 

Reboot your PC. If not help - fully uninstall audio drivers and install fresh ones.
Probably you need also update intel display drivers

 

watch at this. it explains my problem. screen was at 100% brightness

 

This is not backlight bleeding. This is uneven backlight. All cheap displays experience same behavior... more expensive have less noticeable effect. Current production units also embeed calibration -> it just adjust pixels luminosity to make it more even on whole display (means some pixels at darker areas switched to brighter color to meet luminosity of others pixels who wasn't so lucky

 

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so you think it's not Worth to return it? can I get worse if I replace?

But if it's not bleeding, then way light changes when I press on the frame? Is that normal?

Sorry for asking, but this is my first notebook since 2009 and the old one display was completely different

 

Actually its hard to say if this unevenness very noticeable when you just shot it via camera.. Need something to compare with... because camera might increase contrast of the picture -> little bright areas might look very bright on camera.

Just answer yourself if you can accept this level of uneveness

 

I can, but I'm worried it may get worse with time for some reason

but still why does it changes when I put pressure? my lcd tv and my smarthphone don't experience this behaviour

edit: here is another image (that red thing it's not visible in real life, it's an effect of the camera while the White bleed or uneven backlight is shown as it really is..more or less)
edit2: well in real world it's not as much as shown in the camera, let's see it's 30% less

Spoiler

 

man don't go crazy! this is normal and it won't get worse with the time...also you've got 1 year dell support...if get's worse just phone them and ask for a replacement.
From a personal experience (6 screens replaced from dell) i can tell that no fhd screen will be withouth bleeding.
So if withouth any pressure the bleeding is acceptable then keep it, otherwise phone dell and ask for a screen replacement...but in theory you can get an even worse screen though!

 

For the benefit of others, there were some posts a few months ago (maybe here or in the ThrottleStop thread) that helped enable the C8 package c states on the XPS15 with the goal of reducing power consumption.

On my 9550, I find the package c states are much more volatile than the core c states. C8 will be quite high with all programs closed and the computer idling. But with any additional work, package c states SOMETIMES quickly migrate towards C2; typically with larger programs but not always. The package c states around C8 are a bit wonky and this quick snapshot illustrates what I typically see but the ranges are not especially stable:

Idling with just ThrottleStop open,______________________________C2 ~10%, C8 ~80%
With just M$ Edge (one tab) & ThrottleStop open, _________________C2 ~23%, C8 ~20%
With just M$ Edge (one tab) & some progams, ThrottleStop open, ____C2 ~50%, C8 ~20%
With just M$ Edge (one tab) & different progams, ThrottleStop open, __C2 ~5%, C8 ~0%

As you imply, maybe HDMI use is preventing package c states from moving deeper than C2 to ensure connectivity or low latency. Or your computer is receiving/installing updates or running virus scan, etc. Could also be mistake/sloppy coding by Dell, M$, Intel...

 

Thunderbolt firmware update warning: users report wrecked HDMI output after installation on Dell support forum and Reddit, with 9550 and 9560

 

Have you used driver booster or something similar to check driver update?

 

I would say it have 100% correlation...
When external display via thunderbolt->HDMI connected - no C8 state.
Just disconnect it and you'll get them back.

 

Can there be any other reasons why the C7 and C8 package states are not working for me? I tried the Intel Rapid Storage driver thing they mentioned in the Throttlestop thread, but it's not working for me. I get a max of 45% in C6. C7 and C8 do show up as 0.0% in throttlestop (instead of -.--)

 

Yes, I think you centerd the point.

 

lol yeah, because i did the same and got the same problem You can try to revert back intel's audio driver. Try to restore your system to some previous point.

 

There are some hardware/drivers might prevent your CPU from going deeper. As you can see - simple TB->HDMI connection might limit it to just C2 when actually it can go a lot deeper.

BTW: C6 - actually deep enough state. There are no big consumption difference between CPU C6 and C7/C8. (just IMHO: C7 just replacement of C6 and C8 replacement of C7 and CPU automatically fall to deepest available sleep state. Meaning you wont see any % of C6 when CPU able to go C8 .. tell me if I am wrong please)

 

I have actually managed to get C8 working now (though, mysteriously, C7 is always skipped). After lots of pressing buttons in Throttlestop, it suddenly started working. It does seem to have a small effect (though, this may just be my own observer bias), as before my lowest package power was 0.7 watt, while now, it starts dipping to 0.5 and 0.6 watt (@50% C8, won't go higher than that). It's a very small effect, but I'll take what I can get.

Edit: I actually just saw it dropping to 0.4 and 0.3 watt on battery power (@75% C8, only does that on battery power though), never seen than before. So there is definitely some effect from the C8 state. Though I don't believe it will save any noticeable amount of battery, a few minutes at best I guess.

 

Good. My system tends to skip C6 & C7 package C states as well.

The power indications in "watts" you see are only very rough software estimates so not reliable.
I think the only way to estimate power consumption reliably with a laptop is to use a Kill A Watt metre at the mains for an extended period of time (the battery makes things a bit less clear).

Regardless, your laptop has lot of other power consuming components so dropping CPU package C states probably won't provide staggering improvements in battery life. But every bit helps.

 

Your tweak to enable lower power consumption using HIPM/DIPM tweak worked very nice, now my cpu idles to 0.2W. Thank you.