XPS 17 L702x - WLED AG 1080p (non 3d): Could you please share your experience

Thanks for uploading ur profile here, I'll try it tonight and see if it improves saturated color on my XPS 17

 

I see a little difference at home now and out of the office lighting, colors are less intense (reduction of blue) but seem correct. I'll use for awhile and compare.

Thank You

 

I like my settings for "my display" better since viewing some of my macro flower photographs. I noticed some tinting of whites with your profile and "my display" Probably a minor difference of hardware? Thats why I wouldn't post or suggest my profile. Each display needs to be calibrated separately.

 

I'm about to order the 1080 AG screen on the XPS 17. Can someone give me a cost estimate and/or link to some glossy 1080 replacement screens? I have a feeling i'll want the glossy instead of AG - but i also don't want to get the 3d Glossy screen now and lose WiDi and Optimus (and possibly gain a louder fan).

I have no idea if it's $100 or $300 and how difficult it is to actually replace a screen?

 

Thanks for uploading your ICC profile, I found it had better color accuracy. I toned down the gamma and brightness by a single notch, then dropped the contrast a little more.
I like the way I have mine right now and wish I could share it with you guys to see if you guys like it but I dont know how to extract the ICC profile from the laptop even if I wanted to.
I know what they say about "every screen is different and should be individually calibrated" but I think having different precalibrated profiles is a good way to compare and experiment with different looks.

 

My display just needed a small gamma adjustment and bit less blue and its comparable to my 27" desktop. I used my own photographs for comparison since I know the source and the conditions when taken.

All this talk of changing screens from AG to Glossy is idiotic on a new laptop. The Clevo people are changing from Glossy to AG. Goofy one and all!

 

I tried ur profile, but got strong yellow tint, i had to remove it immediately..

 

I had my AG panel replaced yesterday because of a single stuck pixel and I got a glossy FHD panel instead... It's the LP173WF1, which is used on some Sager systems and has some pretty bad reviews. Of course I can call Dell and say: hey, I accepted the screen, since it didn't have any stuck pixels, but now I realized this is not what I ordered... Knowing Dell they'd offer to replace it with the AG screen, but I'm not sure I want it... While the glossy panel is not great, it is still much better than the HD+ panel (which I've seen on several occasions and used on my former system) and it doesn't have that anti-glare tint. I know I said the tint doesn't bother me, but not having it now feels somehow relieving. Well, just sharing my story, since it can happen to others

 

On my NON-3D system, Optimus (specific to Nvidia, not Intel) worked and I also had the choice to switch video devices in the control panel power settings advanced menu.

When the Intel video is selected and the Nvidia GPU is disabled, you should have the QuickSync and WiDi ability enabled. Remember, WiDi needs the Intel WiFi (1000, 62xx, or 63xx series).

Yes, the LP173WF2 is the 120Hz panel Dell is shipping at this time. You can also source them elsewhere in Europe and Asia.

Scott-

 

This. With the exception of people who either: are enthusiasts (Scott), are rich/like wasting money, have extra screens laying around, have 20/20 vision and sit within 2.5 inches of their monitor, or just make a hobby of inefficiently customizing their system until it's 100% perfect for them.

Most people here used coupons and got a powerful XPS 17 for $1050-$1150, so paying $200 (nearly 20% more) for a slightly better monitor doesn't make sense to me. There are comparable systems out there that do not use matte screens- particularly, systems with better video cards if you're willing to invest that $200 up front. I prefer matte (thus purchasing a laptop with a matte screen- crazy, I know), yet I was expecting a LOT worse from what I had read. My Chi Mei is an excellent matte screen.

If I could purchase an A+ 5* 10/10 rated True Life screen for $200, sell the Che Mei for $200 (AFTER ebay/paypal fees, shipping, etc), and have it installed for free, I wouldn't. But that's just me

 

It's not idiotic. It's a personal preference and this thread exists mainly BECAUSE so many people are disturbed/dissatisfied with the AG screen. Some people think their matte screen is fine, many more seem to have sent it back because it's intolerable. Great - you got a "good" matte screen that you finally calibrated and are happy with. I'm happy for you. I am a little colorblind and need the colors to be fairly true out of the box - if i start screwing with the gamma and all that without specific guidance then all of my editing and pictures are going to look ridiculous. Some people say that there is a bluish hue even after adjustment..

I have a matte screen on a desktop and have had it on a laptop - and it was never an issue to me. I liked it. And I work in a dark room – I don’t care about glare. But when people send them back because of the AG screen or say something like "The whole screen has a very fine grain surface/texture that is visible. It's overdone compared to my matte monitors."..it's concerning. Even Scott RC-TEK said "I cannot get use to the excessive (in my opinion) matte finish. To me, it's like looking through clear 300-grit sand paper and the defused light from this rough finish seems to play games with my eyes. I have an AG screen on my Vostro 3500 (15.6") and the texture is much less prominate on that screen.".

If Dell is sending out one of 2 or 3 different AG screen models then it's a crapshoot anyway. ..so either way - if the alternative is buying and installing a new screen for $150 and selling the old one for $100 - the net $50 loss is more than worth it to me. The screen is what you stare at all day. As a student, i want this to be something i'm happy with the next 3-4 years... not just "living with".

In the end – I’m just trying to learn as much about the system as I can - including the possibility of replacing the monitor. This is the only system out there that meets all my specs for the price range other than the AG that Dell randomly placed on this one version of the XPS 17. If someone is unhappy with the AG screen, I think NOT switching it out for a $50 net loss is idiotic.

 

Just got my xps17 today. I was expecting to be disappointed by the screen with all these negative comments, but i'm quite happy with it. It does have an excessive matte finish as someone mentioned but I can get used to it. Color seemed fine to me, but I don't have a trained eye. I've noticed a site I often go to looks slightly different on this screen in terms of color, so I'll be playing around with my settings soon and see what's up. But, I think more casual users like myself will love the screen, given they are ok with matte. My 2 cents!

 

I've had my AG XPS17 for 2 weeks now and quite like the screen. Before I received it, I was very apprehensive given all the very negative comments posted. When I first got it, it was obviously very different from my previous glossy screen but I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. The longer I've had it, the more I like it. And not having reflections is fantastic.

 

Ohhh, OK, so optimus is on the video card not the motherboard? So why can't people with a 3D screen from dell disable the 3D and turn on optimus and widi? My computer is supposed to come with a 6230 so I should be ok there. I would just love to get the 3D version with 4 dimms and have the option of turning on optimus myself. How can i do this??

 

All Optimus does is switching between the available GPUs - integrated GPU and descrete GPU. Since on 3D systems the iGPU is physically bypassed/disabled and cannot be enabled/used, Optimus does not work. Period.

Now I'm seeing this discussion in at least two threads - this and the general L702X thread. Let's stick to the AG panel in this one and continue with Optimus questions in the other one, shall we?

 

The screen is alright.

Typical forum babble; need to sort through the imaginary exaggerated ignorant commentaries ; )

 

Good idea, I'll drop the optimus topic from this thread. I think you just answered part of it here. So can you tell me in the other thread how is the iGPU is physically bypassed? Solder? I guess it doesn't matter to me anymore cause my 4th computer (see signature) is going to be an optimus version anyway but for those following later it would be nice to give them the info before they order.

EDIT: Just found this info from Terry B at dell " I am afraid that I have more bad news. The 3D systems have a fully integrated NVIDIA GPU installed; it has full control of the system. There is no Optimus or WIDI features at all on the system. From the information that I have, it is the GPU that controls the feature, it has nothing to actually do with the LCD panel. So swapping out the LCD should have little effect. You would have to swap out the GPU and that is integrated in the system board."

Also Page 157 is very eye opening and explains why 3D does not work with optimus, but does not explain What is physically done do disable optimus. Oh well.

Looking forward to comments in the other thread on this

Thx.

 

I just received my laptop on Wed and I've played around w/ Lightroom3. I like the AG, but I don't think the brightness/contrast is good for Photography related things. Would I be better off w/ the 3D laptop or should I just color balance it instead? If it's better to calibrate the monitor, how do I make it match my Dell 2007WFPb?

 

My initial reaction was similar to Scott's, and I posted a comment to that effect somewhere on the L720x thread. Now that I've been using it for a few weeks, I've come to the conclusion that my initial reaction was based on the fact that it was different than other laptop screens and monitors I'd been using for years. I'm actually quite happy with it now.

 

Is it worth buying software like Spyder3 to color balance the AG screen or would I be better off returning the XPS 17 and go w/ a XPS 15 w/ the B+RG LED screen?

 

I had the 3D 17 XPS for a couple weeks before my current matte non 3D XPS so I can tell you that the color inaccuracy is pretty much the same with both models. The 3D version is a better screen in terms of sharpness, contast ratio and color depth though.
So, if you want the best screen you gotta go with the XPS 15 RGB screen. I think the RGB screen is about the best value and performance you can get for a $1000 laptop.

 

Guys I want to buy this DIsplay

Do u think its better than the HD+?

And How are the Colors?

Do u think The display is middle class or very bad . Thanks

 

Here are some comparison photos of the XPS 15 RGB display next to the XPS 17 AG display provided by Siroldvolks:

If these photos helped you out please rep Siroldvolks for his efforts!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/562138-dell-xps-17-l702x-thread-331.html#post7622804

 

Wow that doesen't seems very nice. I will use laptop for graphic, should I be affraid? :-/

 

The 17" 1080p AG seems to have lower contrast, but I assume it is due to the blueish tint, making the whites appear darker... Should be a matter of professional calibration, though. Btw, anyone had a chance to calibrate this screen with Spyder3 or similar tool?

 

I calibrated mine with a spyder 2 express - you can find the download link earlier in this same thread. I thought it was a huge improvement over the blue tint I had from the factory.

 

Right, thanks! I remember seeing that post now, it totally slipped my mind, sorry...

 

+1 rep , thanks for the profile, has made a huge difference to the blue tint, or more so lack of now! colours are MUCH more vibrant now, amazing the difference just a calbration can make. cheers

 

I'm interested in getting the XPS 17 but i'm afraid it won't look good, i'm about ready to get the 3d one since the tradeoff seems good, giving away the 2720Qm and the 555m 3gb and getting 2630Qm and 550m 1 gb + the fluid 120 hz monitor rated as very good and 3dvision for a similiar price (the latter is like 40$ more )

now, with that calibration is the screen comparable to the 3d one if only color-wise ?? would you say the contrast is good enough to make me get it and not regret it later ??

 

How do you use the icm profile?

 

This one took me a while to figure out ! Couldn't seem to get it working right after doing the standard install process :

(quoted from the xps 17 wiki !)

1.Right click on each profile and choose Install (now you can delete the files on your desktop)
2.Go to Control Panel > Color Management
3.Click the Add button in Devices tab
4.Choose one of the provided XPS 17 profiles from the list, click OK
5.Highlight the profile then click Set as Default Profile
6.Your screen should immediately change to reflect the new color calibration


...now for me....it didn't seem to take effect, and I had to do this as a few more steps...

7. go to Advanced tab, click Change System Defaults
8. click advanced Tab
9. check the box Use Windows Display Calibration.
10. Click close, and close again

Only then did the profile work - boy that one took me a while to figure !

That wasn't the end of it, I then found out that the profile wouldn't load automatically when windows started and would only apply manually. Having done yet more research, I found info pointing to start up items which were preventing the profile from loading at boot up. Through trial an elimination using the MSCONFIG app, I had to disable the start up of the following item:

Intel Common User Interface - C:\windows\system32\igfxpers.exe

So I understand it's only to do with the user interface of the Intel graphics driver and has caused no adverse effect.

hope that helps

 

thanx for you help i think i got it working now

 

can seomeone answer me if getting the good quality 3D screen worth giving away the 555m 3gb ??

 

thanks for instructions on how to use icm profile. instructions weren't exact for me but with 5 minutes of playing around got it to work! and screen is definitely better. Don't know if I can live with the dust on 1080p AG screen but at least colors are good!!

 

Does the Dell manual even mention calibration or is this something you guys had to figure out on your own?

 

Bertha - as someone who has actually had both the XPS 15 & 17, did you notice:

A. Any difference in the sound quality? I ask because the 15 looks to have much larger grills for the sound.

B. Any vibrations or heat difference in either? I ask because I've read some with the 15 (the new Z version anyway) talk about heat and especially a bit of a rattle from the left side of the unit.

C. Any difference in the noise level from the fans when the CPU is going full throttle for a while?

or was anything noticable in a bad way in one that was not the case in the other?

Thanks!

 

The 15" is a smaller chassis, of course the grills look larger...they are actually the same size I believe, but a slight bit more power on the 17" speakers (20 versus 22 Watt or something along those lines).

Also this is rather off topic for this thread about screens...

 

Anyone interested in purchasing my multitouch 900p screen? Just bought it through Dell Outlet as previously ordered new condition... I have purchased a fhd panel so my multitouch panel is up for sale.

 

Hi,

I recently got my XPS 17 with a FHD AG panel and was not happy with the
colors. I found this thread and used your ICM profile. Thank you, now the display
looks much better!
However, I used the Windows 7 color management to load the profile, which
works without any problems:
-Press start button and type "color management"
- A window pops up where you can add/modify as much profiles as you like

Thats it.

 

Got my AG screen - what a palaver as I had to phone. Wonderful. Very happy. Colours seem fine. Screen very readable. Less reflection than my previous glossy HP laptop.

 

Can you check its make and model (with HWiNFO)? I wonder if it is still ChiMei (CMO...) or did Dell start installing LG Philips (LGD...) screens, which they use to replace faulty ChiMei ones... Thanks.

 

Chi Mei 173HGE
Date Of Manufacture: Week: 2, Year: 2011

 

OK, then I guess they still have loads of them on stock... Too bad. I'm seeing more and more reports of stuck pixels (whole lines of pixels) on Polish forums. I had my screen replaced with an LG Philips (semi matte) because of a stuck pixel. Well, I hope it doesn't come to that with yours Cheers.

 

Well I bought the Best Buy 15z and its going back. I ordered the XPS 17 Signature deal plus another 100 off. I sure hope I like the screen. I had a XPS 15 with the rgb 1080, while it looked good, everything was too small for me.

 

Friggin' nice!
I can't believe I agonized for a month over which laptop to get...this is just really nice.

 

Anyone has any feedback of this "XPS 17 L702x - WLED AG 1080p (non 3d)" screen compared to the Sony VAIO F22 Series 16.4" (non 3d) screen? I saw the VAIO F22/F23 in Best Buy and the Full HD screen is AMAZING!! Contrast ratio as high as 1000:1 and very good horizontal viewing angle.

I am between this XPS 17 vs the Sony F22/F23 (both Full HD Screen). So, any input and feedback will be greatly appreciated!

 

As I report, the Full HD AG panel Chimei is the same panel mounted Gt780R/DXR Msi and this highly regarded.

Levels of contrast 1000:1, brightness average 260cdm/m2, and excellent viewing angles.

We can see the Msi Gt780´s reviews

Except for the effect of "grain" of the matt cape, the values ​​are even better than the 3D Full HD panel

 

Here is my screen....just got a replacement for my Sxps15 and received and L702X with 17" fHD 1080p


Monitor
Windows description...... Generic PnP Monitor
Manufacturer............. Chi Mei
Plug and Play ID......... CMO1720
Data string.............. HC9GK€173HGE [*CP437]
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 2
Filter driver............ Monitor
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.4
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... 6 bits per primary color
Color encoding formats... RGB 4:4:4
Screen size.............. 380 x 210 mm (17.1 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... None
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.610
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.060
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Range limits............. Not available
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 140.490 1920 1972 2007 2094 1080 1083 1089 1118 +hsync -vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 40Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 92.450 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1111 +hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported

Report information
Date generated........... 10/17/2011
Software revision........ 2.60.0.972
Data source.............. Registry-Active
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

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0F,50,54,00,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,E1,36,80,AE,70,38,26,40,34,23,
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Can't say I really have any complaints.

 

Thanks for the information. I will try to look for the MSI GT780's screen review. I read in the Sony Forum that the F22/F23 screen w/ good review is also a Chi Mei panel. More specifically, it is a N164HGE-L12.

 

The current CMO panel is JUNK and more actual owners have backed up that finding. I have documented it clearly in the L702x threads as well in the Precision M6600 threads. Because of so many complaints, Dell has stopped using the CMO panels in the business laptops and will only install the AUO, Samsung, or LG premium panels.

At any rate, I have seen only 2 people here in these forums talk up the CMO panels with these same over flated specs, which do not map out to reality.

Buy what you want, but beware. I have evaluated over a dozen L701/2x in addition to many other Dell notebook systems over this past year and at this time AU Optronics (B173HW01 v.4/v.5) and LG (LP173WF2) are the top dogs in the 17.3" class. Soon, some Samsung IPS panels will be released and things will become VERY nice ...although more expensive.

Scott-