XPS line 4th gen Intel Haswell 2013 Refresh?

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I agree totally. Bulky devices are not considered premium these days. If one wants uncompromising power then the Alienware laptops are more than adequate.

 

I don't know what is the definition of an ultra book design. But I hate the design where the notebook is pointed from front and thick from back. It not only looks ugly, but such design always comes with issue of heat and keyboard flex. Not a good option for powerhouse like XPS 15 series

MBP 15, Pervious generation XPS 15 series and the recent Dell Inspiron 7000 series have the best design and are not considered bulky.

My bad!!! first HP screwed with its premium Envy 15 line up by providing such a design and lowering the quality and now Dell screwed up with their XPS 15 line up by providing this crappy design. Inspiron 7000 has amazing design but it doesn't have a quad core processor and a the D-Pad

 

Engadget now has details posted:

Dell refreshes the XPS 13 and 15 with Haswell, the 15 has a 3,200 x 1,800 display

The XPS 15 (pictured above) has received an even more dramatic upgrade: it now sports a seriously pixel-dense 3,200 x 1,800 touch display "based on IGZO technology." You have the option of either Core i5 or i7 Haswell chips, "next-gen" NVIDIA graphics and up to 1TB of hard drive space, along with a 32GB SSD. You could just opt for a single 512GB solid-state drive instead, budget permitting, and you'll also have a choice of "voice and NFC options" (not that Dell was very specific about the voice part). The XPS 15 will arrive first, on October 15th, with a starting price of $1,500 (hey, 3,200 x 1,800 displays don't come cheap). If it's the XPS 13 you're after, that will go on sale sometime in November, starting at $1,000.

Here is Dell's US Press Release: Dell Introduces New Line of Tablets and Updated XPS Laptops

XPS 11: (starting at $999.99)

Starting at 2.5lbs and just 11-15mm thin, the XPS 11 is the world’s thinnest, lightest and most compact 2-in-1 Ultrabook available today, offering a tablet-first design with laptop functionality. It easily transitions from tablet to laptop with a 360 degree rotating hinge design, and an innovative solid surface backlit touch keyboard that provides a superb experience from lap to bag. With a Quad HD (2560 x 1440) display, the highest resolution display in an 11.6-inch 2-in-1 today, the XPS 11 has a bright, crisp viewing experience. The display also features True Color viewing powered by eeColor, which enables customers to enjoy true, rich consistent color in nearly any lighting environment.

XPS 15: (starting at $1,499.99)

The XPS 15 continues to be a multimedia powerhouse delivering the highest resolution in its class, and incredible power in an ultra-thin, light wedge design, starting at 4.44lbsi. The XPS 15 is the first 15.6-inch laptop in the world to feature a Quad HD+ display, and also available with a touch option, boasts over 5.7 million pixels – five times the amount of standard HD – for jaw-dropping resolution. Designed for creative enthusiasts, the XPS 15 packs 4th Generation Intel Core i5 and i7 quad core processor options and NVIDIA discrete graphics options. Every XPS 15 boots and resumes within seconds with hard drive configuration options from 500GB to 1TB[ii], both with a 32GB mSATA SSD, to a 512GB solid state drive, all including Intel Rapid Start Technology[iii].

XPS 13: (starting at $999.99)

The award-winning XPS 13, with its 13.3-inch, edge-to-edge display that innovatively fits into a footprint similar to an 11-inch laptop, is razor thin and light, starting at under 3lbsi. It is now even faster with 4th generation Intel Core processors, Intel HD 4400 graphics, and has longer battery life for the mobile professional who values a sleek design, responsiveness and ultimate mobility. Its Full HD display provides a brilliant viewing experience and is now even more versatile with a touch option.

Availability:
XPS 15: October 18, 2013 (USA)
XPS 11, XPS 13: November 2013 (USA)

 

i wonder when we'll actually get to configure one(xps 15) for order

 

Hands on with photos of the XPS 15 here: Dell XPS 15 pictures and eyes-on with the UltraSharp display - Pocket-lint

The new XPS 15 looks VERY similar to the Ivy Bridge XPS 15 from the inside. The keyboard, touchpad, color scheme, and LCD bezel all look nearly identical. However it is much thinner and looks to have a carbon fiber bottom in place of the silicone-covered metal of the current model. Hopefully they've sorted out the wifi issues and they don't carry over to the new model . If they made any revisions to the antenna it could be a popular upgrade for the L521x.

 

Looks like its got a back lit keyboard as well, though can't find any actual mentioning of it. I guess maybe its expected these days, but always nice to see it in writing.

 

The M3800 uses the exact same body. Is has a backlit keyboard.

 

Never, EVER buy a Studio XPS.

 

Arg, I want a 14". C'mon Dell, don't leave me hanging.

 

will wait for notebookcheck's full detailed review on heat, throttling and battery life before buying. it looks amazing

 

laptopmag's article says that it has a Core i7-4602HQ, but that processor doesn't seem to exist?
Typo or have I just completely failed at googling?

 

I suspect that they meant 4702HQ, that seems to be the easiest typo to make and I don't anticipate any new releases from Intel.
Intel® Core
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Interestingly, the 15" rMBP seems to be throttled by the power supply before it's able to experience any heat related throttling. I hope Dell adds a more powerful power supply even if it is bigger and heavier.
Review Apple MacBook Pro 15 Retina 2.3 GHz Mid 2012 - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

 

Makes sense
I'm thinking that the article was also wrong about that being the best available cpu, wouldn't make sense for them to limit it to that!

 

This laptop completely depends on what the 'next gen' nvidia gpu is in it.

 

It's the company's new flagship laptop, and depending on your bankroll it can practically have it all: a 3200 x 1800 touchscreen display, a full 2.2GHz quad-core Core i7 Haswell processor, game-capable Nvidia GeForce GT 750M graphics, 16GB of RAM, 512GB of solid state storage, a 13-hour battery, and a surprisingly decent array of ports in a 4.4 pound, 18 mm thin package.

source: Dell's new XPS 15 aims to be the king of portable Windows machines | The Verge

 

Oh well, I was hoping for GTX 760m

& ouch, $1500 for just the 1080p version with no gpu. Gigabyte p34g or p35k for me.

 

Hopefully

1) The screen has screen/color quality of the Studio XPS or L502x. Don't really care for the ultra high res
2) Speaker quality is as good as the JBL speakers on the L502x
3) No wifi issues like the L521x

I may be in the minority, but completely glad they didn't go with a keypad, hate having my keyboard off center.

 

I have a maxed out L521x. So long as they have fixed the wifi they can take my money now.

It isn't going to be cheap but neither is a macbook pro and I have been waiting for years now for a windows laptop that can compete with MAC for both design, build and specs.

I would have also considered the samsung series 9 but looks like they have ditched the 15 inch model.

Will be interesting to see how the high res screen works with windows

Also all possible specs are outlined here on the final page

http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/corporate/secure/en/Documents/dell-xps-15-brochure.pdf

Has wireless AC which is very nice. Also looks like the 512gb SSD model may have a larger battery which would be awesome. 130W AC adapter should stop any throttling from power draw at least (will wait to hear about heat)

 

they're gonna charge a fortune for that ssd though, given that it's also a bigger battery
but yea, 13 hours sounds kindof realistic? The samsung series 7 chronos has a 91w battery and had like 10 hours, xps 15 has a 91w battery, but IGZO and haswell.
Wonder how much the top spec's gonna cost(3200*1800, 16gb ram, 4702hq, 750m and 512gb ssd). Under $2400 would be nice!

 

You would have to assume the maxed out spec would be $3k AUD so maybe $2.5K US.

Hopefully the touch screen will be an option as I would probably remove that especially if it is an added cost option. 13 hours of battery sounds nice

 

I'm chatting with them now, trying to figure out how much it'll be, maybe it'll work.

 

Wait, is the better battery option dependent on getting the SSD?

 

Yes I think that's the case. If u want a better battery you'll have to pay full price close to $3k for it.
Its a very cunning move by dell, completely forces people to buy the more expensive ssd from them instead of changing it for a fraction of the cost by the owners themselves. If you don't play along you r stuck with the weaker battery.

I hope the m3800 isn't optioned like this...

 

Damn, I just want i7quadcore and a bigger battery. Hopefully I can score this for under 2k. I swear if they charge a dollar per GB for the SSD....

 

That's most likely what dell is going to do. I mean think about it, the xps 15's primary competitor similarly speced is $2800 with older CPU, less battery, no touch, no hi res. If u were dell would u charge anything below $2800 for the xps at that spec? Expect the top of the line model with 91whr battery to be at least $3000 if not more. Right now its just a battle of trying to convince yourself whether its worth it to spend all that cash

 

It's 100% not worth that much. I can't justify that, so I won't. I don't want touch nor anything higher than 1080p, but I do want an i7 and a better battery. If dell makes me pay an absurd amount for that, I won't be getting it.

 

4702HQ + 750M GDDR5 is a really solid combination in this thin and light of a laptop. Here's hoping the cooling system is better than the L521x and the WiFi actually works properly. I might have to fire up the old Dell Preferred Account and sell my L521x for one. :thumbsup: Bring on the reviews ASAP!!!

 

Another thing to remember is that nothing at dell is the price it says. If they say it's starting at $1500 it'll really start at like $1200.

 

Care to elaborate? I'm curious as to what you mean.

 

Dell's famous for their discounting. Like through customer support you can get a lot of money off.

 

The absence of an ethernet port has pushed me away from this the new line. I wonder who made that stupid decision.

 

Yah, me too. 15'' seems a bit too large for me.

 

The machine looks nice. Performance should also be awesome, esp if they manage to cure the previous model's issues like overheating, fan, wifi, throttling etc.

 

On paper this looks good but as others have said, a lot about the issues are not known until units are out in the while. A couple of observations.

1) Looks like anyone who wants a DVD/Blue-Ray has to go to the Inspiron line. I personally still use DVD's despite having a Netflix account because there are a lot of movies not on Netflix. And I don't pirate so it's the only way to get a lot of recent movies. Plus some software such as Turbotax and other software is cheaper in DVD over online if you find a good sale.

2) The IGZO screen is sort of a coup for Dell. I had thought that Apple had been trying to get that for the iPad and would be the first have these displays but Dell beat them to it. There's a report that Sharp has been sampling 4K IGZO screens for 15.6" sizes so that's probably coming for a Macbook. We'll probably see more 4K IGZO displays when Broadwell/Maxwell come out.

When is a good time to make a topic on the new 2013 XPS 15 now that it's revealed?

 

1) I dare say it, but *most* people simply don't use optical media any more. At least techies like us. It's really no big issue, grab a $20 USB DVD drive if you really need it, but most people consume digital content now. I haven't used my BD drive in my main PC in years, and we're seeing a massive trend now for systems being built/configured without optical drives in them at all.

Personally, and I know i'm not in the minority here, i'd take a 5mm (!!!!!!!) thickness saving over having an optical drive that probably 1% of it's target audience uses 1% of the time.

Same goes for the ethernet port. $20 USB3->GigE dongle and you're sorted.

2) We're just seeing mass production of higher than 1080p laptop displays this year, I don't think we'll be seeing full 4K+ displays for a few years yet. Particularly when, as good as they are, GPUs can't power that kind of resolution fluidly

 

I have just read that new XPS 15 starts from 1500$, so it's pretty sure that it's referred to i5 CPU + 1TB HDD + 1920X1080 display, so the right version could have an outrageous price.
If Dell has not radically changed cooling system from the previous L512x even this new model could be considered garbage (dramatic throttling issue on L521x)
Also I would have preferred that they had also updated the keyboard with a number pad.
A 3200X1800 display will be good for a 1920X1080 video?

Yes, because it's pretty sure that SSD is a mSATA SSD, and to have a 91Whr battery you loose the 2.5" bay used for HDD.

 

The Dell m3800 was leaked as starting at $1,699 or $1,999 depending on the configuration.
Dell Precision M3800 is "thinnest and lightest workstation ever" - Laptop - News - HEXUS.net

On the M4800 a QHD+ display alone seems to be a $120 upgrade.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/del...-haswell-based-mobile-precision-m6800-35.html

 

Practically m3800 and new XPS15 seem the same notebook except for GPU, Quadro instead of standard GPU, (but we know that even in this case is practically the same chip).
I'm very curious to see this notebook on a heavy load, like some game or a stress test.
Is there someone that knows if Precision M3800 has a dual fan cooling system?

 

Per this dell spec sheet: LINK, the XPS 15 has an RJ-45 port. It appears to be on the right side, towards the rear of the laptop.

 

A Dell representative has stated that it has a dual fan cooling system. Given the larger vents it should probably perform slightly better than the rMBP in terms of cooling. Unfortunately the rMBP does not have a power supply that can fully power the CPU and GPU at full power. The 120 W power supply on the XPS 15 should be able to do that. I think that the only differences between the M3800 and XPS 15 will be GPU, warranty, and possibly the screen. Dell has previously stated that the contrast ratio on the M3800 will be 1000:1, but the XPS 15 spec sheet gives the XPS 15 a contrast ratio of 1000:1. It's possible that Dell is using the higher quality displays 3200x1800 IGZO monitors in their workstation lineup or spend more time calibrating them, but it's also possible that the Dell representative was wrong when describing the M3800.

 

I hope that the cooling system is much better than rMBP beacuse rMBP hits 105° while it's throttling and running only prime95 in Notebookcheck review, so rMBP isn't enough.

According to data-sheet the power supply has 130W.

About the screen, I don't think there are different screens in m3800 and XPS15, even in 2 identical notebook could be a sensible difference between the real specs of display.
Maybe when M3800 comes out Dell will do a revision of display specs.

 

Oops!

Yeah, I suspect that the M3800 will ultimately only have a 800:1 contrast ratio, seeing as how the displays are otherwise identical, even in color space. I hope that additional vents, and maybe higher fan speeds can ensure proper cooling in the XPS 15, but I fear that for throttle free cooling one will need a thicker notebook.

 

This is the start of a new category. The power ultrabook.

I hope Lenovo gets on board soon and bring a Carbon with similar specs.

This is a category i have been waiting for.

 

I agree that you can buy an external USB Blu-Ray drive for $50-$100 but you have to bring it with you for travel. Assuming people don't torrent, streaming is nowhere near as cheap or easy as physical media right now.

Also, rumors are the 2014 Macbook Pro is getting 4K so it's coming sooner than later.
Sharp Sampling 4K IGZO Displays for 15.6-inch Laptops

 

No one is worried about the vision of a FHD (1920X1080) video on a 3200X1600 display.
I understand that this will not be a problem on 4K display (3840X2160), but on a 3200X1600 display the imagine may be blurred.

 

You could just burn the media to your PC before you travel...

 

So it's not dockable right? That's a deal-killer for me.

 

NOOOOOOOOOO. There are dozens of dozens of 15" Windows laptops out there with numpads. It's hard to find ones that DON'T have a numpad. For those of us who hate the things, Dell's XPS notebooks are one of the only decent options.

I am concerned about scaling issues with the high-res display, since I'd want to run it at the equivalent of 1080p.

 

Please let the mini-displayport with this laptop be powerfull enough to output 120Hz at 1440p displays. Thanks !

 

No RJ-45. Its a misprint. I thought so at first too. The "slim RJ-45" has a lip at the bottom of the port. That one does not. That's the Kensington lock port. If you look at the bottom under service options you see they mentioned Gigabit Ethernet Dongle (USB to RJ45) - supporting PXE Boot (imaging & wake on LAN).

If it wasn't for the dual core ULV CPUs I would be getting the Inspiron 7000 - when the 15' gets the GT 750m. For some reason I also like my 10key.

Anything is an upgrade for me at this point, my m1530 just died and I have been waiting for a few months for the new XPS. I stayed away for the L521 with all its issues.