XPS15 9560 Kaby Lake Product Page.....

Pre-emptive suggestions for a type-C solution for USB, monitors (up to 2x4k), and power? TB16 seems to fit the bill once its released, right? Any suggestions for <$200?

 

Based on leaked specs for the Precision 5520, it looks like the i7-HQ cpus are 35W tdp. I'm not sure if they're tweaked for the precision, but that would be great news for all laptops. Could be why they decided to ditch the low-voltage quad cores.

 

OT - could you please link me to where they say that the ULV quad cores are cancelled? I don't mean for the 5520, I mean for ultrabooks.

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http://www.thecountrycaller.com/643...reportedly-cancelled-kaby-lake-r-takes-place/

 

Thank you for the info! So we will only see quad core ulv processors at the end of August 2017?

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https://www.purepc.pl/notebooki/dell_na_ces2017_pokaze_mobilna_stacje_robocza_precision_5520

Since the 5520 was also mentioned here, I thought I might share this article.
Although the page is polish, Google does a pretty good job of translating it for you.

 

Any ideas on the performance of an NVIDIA Quadro M2100?

 

Oh hello.

http://www1.la.dell.com/bz/en/corp/...pd.aspx?refid=precision-15-5520-laptop&s=corp

It has a 5K (!) display.

 

Says "The world’s thinnest, lightest, smallest 15" mobile workstation with 7th Gen Intel® processors and PremierColor 4K InfinityEdge display."

 

5K on a 15.6' screen - the definition of overkill.

 

Typo. Gotta be, unless UHD will refer to both 4 and 5k...

 

It says 5K with over 8 million pixels down in the display section.

 

uh wow... that's a first, isn't it? First 5k display in a laptop.

edit: no, wait. all 4k displays have 8 million pixels; they'd have. gotta be a typo. A 5k display would have over 14 million pixels, and they would definitely mention that.

 

I really dislike this whole "Nvidia now puts desktop GPUs into Notebooks" thing.
We saw an efficiency increase from Maxwell to Pascal and Nvidia and/or the notebook manufacturers came to
the great marketing idea to just use the GPU "one step lower" and drop the "m" and market it as a feature of some sort.
And I can't believe it stuck.

The TDP spec itself feels like hit or miss more often than not, and the 960m had a TDP of 60W the 1050ti has 75W
and the 15% worse 1050 is specced at the same 75W so I'll just assume it is a bit lower.

So they put the 1050 with slightly adjusted clocks in notebooks that had a 960m prior ( or 1060 for the 970m in others )
and suddenly it's desktop graphics in notebooks *rolleyes*

 

Yeah it's marketing ********, but eventually it's better this way.

I prefer desktop and mobile having the same name and performance instead of having different names and needing to guess which mobile GPU number has the same performance with which desktop GPU number.

 

Even if it is a desktop variant I can flash my 980 BIOS to any TDP I want so Dell will do the same, ie 45w. The thermals of the laptop cannot take any more so I don't see why people think it will be any better

 

There are a couple of similarly small laptops from Asus and MSI with the 1060 inside (not Kaby Lake). No sure if packing so many Watts into such small packages is a good idea. They seem to have an extra heatpipe, compared to the 9550.

 

Can you post a pic of the internals? I can't seem to find one showing the extra pipe.

 

Sorry it's been a while since I've been googling, these laptops must be in shops for a few months by now. I may be wrong, but I recall the heatpipes were just a little bit more involved than with the 9550 - though surely not as much as in bigger gaming laptops.

 

I agree with the general point of your post; the new naming scheme is just marketing.

Here they claim a 60W TDP: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-laptops-benchmarked-specs/

Also, it appears that the 1050 is 2GBs only; if they put a 4GBs card (which I hope), then it will be the 1050Ti for sure.

I think you maybe referring to:
-MSI GS43VR, which kept the same 2-fans design as the GS40, just switched from 960M to 1060.
-MSI GS63VR, which actually got a new, thinner body than the GS60, but added a new fan (3 in total). It works well, but has throttling issues.
-Razer Blade, which until recently had throttling issues. Now it is a bit noisy, but works well.

Not sure which Asus you are talking about, as they are all a bit bulkier than the MSI.

 

Yes that's the one good thing that came out of this.
In my circle of friends some really thought that every notebook with a 960m will now get a 1060
and the full power. Afaik even the new Razer Blade with the 1060 only achieves ~9500 points in default firemark,
which is only ~75% of the desktop performance, when not additionally cooled or repasted or something like that, but don't quote me on that one :^)
Anyway sorry for the offtopic rant :3

 

Yes the Asus model are a bit bulkier but still less than the 2.7 kg range.
But I recall some claimed throttling with the 9550 too when both CPU and GPU are loaded, where is it on your throttling scale? I'm not a gamer so I wouldn't know, I just know it sometimes makes noise when my old Lenovo doesn't and I sometimes run programming benchmarks so I'm planning a repaste.

 

They are, but if you start looking 2.5kg - 2.7kg range, then you can include offerings by Clevo with a 1070. The MSI I mentioned are all around ~2kg.

I read about throttling with the 9550, but apparently, playing around with the BIOS and removing Intel Thermal Manger helped.

 

Be really careful with removing the...uff let me look it up.... ah here *ahem* "Intel Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework Manager".
I fried my system with this once luckily Dell repaired it under warranty.

If you are willing to put some work into the 9550, which one should normally absolutely not have do to run a 2000 Euro
notebook the way it should run, you can get it to run the CPU at 2,6Ghz baseclock and full GPU load with no to minimal throttle.

You have to repaste the GPU/CPU.
Adjust the padding for one of the GPU Memory chips.
Undervolt the CPU.
Add Thermal pads to the VRM so they get cooled by the chassis

It's ridiculous, but you get a really neat notebook afterwards.
(Also I would consider getting lock tight, the small screws that hold the lid tend to get loose without)

 

I agree, you shouldn't need such changes on a 2k Euros machine. I also find it unacceptable that Dell insists on 1 year warranties, the moment that most OEMs in Europe offer 2 years. I wonder, if you can complain under EU law --assuming you buy direct- and claim the extra yea for free. I am returning a GS43VR due to microscuttering, thanks to a Killer 1535 card (which is hard to change) and was thinking the XPS 15 9560 with a 1050Ti would be good for my needs (the 960M isn't).

 

1050 and 1050Ti are officially announced & under review: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mainst...-1050-Ti-and-GTX-1050-in-Review.189822.0.html

TPD for the 1050 is somewhere around 40-50W and the 1050Ti a bit higher (not stated). I guess, an underclocked 1050Ti can fit on the XPS.

 

Those changes provide a massive increase in performance to the 9550 for just a few dollars. The first three fixes alone will knock ~15*C off the i5 benchmarks, on reported averages here at NBR. They are worth the effort and well documented in the NBR forums.

The VRM gets really hot and an ideal solution does not exist. If I recall correctly, Splitframe used thermal pads to sink the chokes to the bottom alu case. The problem is that the alu case has little ability to absorb heat or starts to cause other thermal problems. I would guess Splitframe's fix seems to be a good balance because he does not send too much heat to the case (low grade thermal pads that don't transfer too much heat and heatsinking just the chokes rather than the very hot mosfets, which are also more difficult to sink). The ideal solution would be to get some air circulating around the VRM but nobody has posted a practical solution there...

If you go over to to the NBR Alienware forums, you will see that the new 15 and 17 inch laptops had similar issues with the thermal paste and thermal pads. Dell took note and upgraded the thermal paste and thermal pads (I think these changes were made in December production). Not sure if Dell will run these upgrades to the 9560 but if I were a betting man...

Don't overdo lock-tite

 

I noticed that when the VRM hit 92°C the CPU throttles to an underwhelming 800Mhz.
The pads were cheap ones yes, but together with the lid they manage to keep the VRMs under 75°
which seems to be fine considering the threshold. Another concern would be that there is another
sensor somewhere that starts complaining because something gets to hot.

I noticed though that the heat from the VRM does not travel far. It does not reach as far as to
the SSD for example, which also cools via the lid.

 

Splitframe's VRM solution is probabaly right on the limits of what is possible. He may have the best thermals of any 9550 now.

- FYI, a few of us tried that solution with good thermal pads and the case got super hot. I think the key was using lower-grade thermal pads for the VRM to sink just enough heat

For new 9560 users, a bunch of 9550 guys tried heatsink the CPU/GPU via the alu case bottom (copper heat pipes connected via good thermal pads). That caused a few major issues:

- Keyboard got too hot to use comfortably.
- Also, the case bottom got really hot, heated the air being intaked by the fans. This made the CPU/GPU cooling system very inefficient, causing thermals to spiral out of control. Laptop engineer GonZ0 summarized the thermal meltdown clearly. Of a dozen people that tried that solution, I think only one kept it (he may be using a big laptop cooler under his computer but I don't remember).

The following thread may be worth a review for new 9560 users who are having thermal issues as the alu cases seem identical:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rature-observations-undervolt-repaste.785963/

 

Wow never thought of that, dodged a bullet there, phew.

 

The product page is up again, 4gb GTX1050, no mention of TI spec http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9560-laptop

 

Doesn't say Ti, which is disappointing but not a problem for me. Weight spec seems to be messed up still. Unless a HDD is heavier than the bigger battery difference.

 

Nvidia have released specs and confirmed the 1050 (not Ti) 4gb will be in the xps15 9560.

No idea why anyone thought or hoped a non gaming laptop would get a Ti.

 

According to Samsung, the 1050 is "full performance" at 40W TDP.

 

I was 5W out then at 45W expected

Still the 980 in my PC compared to my 480 was horrendously low TDP compared to the 480 TDP wise so I expect a reasonable enough gain compared to the 960m.

I am still being offered a refund so the old credit card may have to come out to get one of these.

 

Do you have any idea why the Precision M5520 is using 35W CPUs up to 7820HQ/Xeons, but the XPS 15 is using 45W CPUs? Would it have an actual effect on performance? Could it be that the Quadro GPU they have in there is more power hungry than the 1050?

 

AFAIK the processors in the Precision go to a bit higher frequencies, at the same 45W TDP. Not much faster if one can't cool it properly I guess. and likely to turn the fans on faster.
As for the Quadro, the M1000M in the 5510 is a notch below the 960M, and the M1200 is likely its successor at a similar TDP. But it supports 10-bit output for wide-gamut displays in OpenGL.

https://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-for-mobile-workstations.html

 

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Well that pretty much tells us the GPU. We just need Dell to officially release it. I don't think these is any CES footage of it yet.

 

I haven´t seen anything official regarding the 9560 yet. But on Dell Germany they put up the same dummy 9560 page as in the US...
No new info but they might be preparing the release, hopefully.

link to page: http://www.dell.com/de/p/xps-15-9560-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC

 

The information on the 5520 leaked by accident shows 35W TDP, but it could be a mistake.

 

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-laptops

Forgot to post link from nvidia page.


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Well nice of dell to be the only one on the list to have a non ti variant. May need to look at other brands this go around.

 

If you want a gaming laptop, why don't you just buy one? Obviously given the ultra thin size of the xps 95XX series, you have to be very careful with what gpu you put in there when it comes to overheating.

 

At least this whole GPU speculation that's been going around since Pascal in laptops was announced back in September can finally be put to rest. From a personal view, it eases my mind that I purchased at the right time back in the fall. I was agonizing over pulling the trigger then, or waiting until Q1 2017 for a GPU boost. It is a nice upgrade, but nothing too drastic that I'd be kicking myself for not waiting, especially since I got the 4k Screen option for free during the fall promotion.

 

If you want a gaming laptop get an alienware. The 1050 on the XPS is for casual gamers and compute usage, where it will do just fine.

The dell business site has full specs up at the moment: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-15-9560-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC

 

I don't know about you, but a 1050ti isn't a "gaming" laptop quality card. You'd have to be at a 1060 at the bare minimum for me to consider it a gaming machine. I realize thermals matter - maybe you haven't read my thread with 100s of responses to it? If MSI can stuff a 1060 in a thin 14 and 15 inch laptop, I was hoping dell could use the 1050 ti at least. All we get this go around is an overclocked 960m...

I wouldn't buy another alienware, they are far too flashy. Again, a 1050ti for me isn't what I would consider gaming quality.

 

I agree. The difference between a 1050 and a 1050ti is irrelevant to me. Neither is strong enough to consider using as a primary gaming machine, so I'll take the thermal difference and enjoy it.

 

In firestrike, the 1050 is 34% faster than the 960m whereas the 1050ti is 83% faster. That's a substantial difference. I was hoping dell would do something cool with this revision.

 

I just found this via a reddit thread:

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https://app.box.com/s/nlzmc9x01j4j2vcd2awpbyoxgxvovo6z/view/119424866041

It seems to be a specs sheet to the new 9560. It says the XPS to have a fingerprint reader and a 97 Wh battery as an option

Here´s the info for press mentioning the fingerprint reader: https://m.box.com/shared_item/https...9x01j4j2vcd2awpbyoxgxvovo6z/view/119426908617

So Dell, come on and release!