XPS15 9560 Kaby Lake Product Page.....

#Rockstar, Interesting spread sheet.

I wonder if they made any significant changes to how the battery is installed, and if so, how hard is it actually to change by your self? Hopefully they haven't gone the apple path by glueing or soldering the battery in place.

Then there's also mention of dual microphones, does 9550 come with dual micrphone as well? hopefully the dual micrphone is a huge improvement to the microphone output on the 9550.

 

Most detailed spec sheet to date...

 

Coming Soon

• Dell XPS 15 notebook is available on Dell.com in the U.S. starting at $999.99.

The XPS15 and sister Precision 5520 are the only products not to have a date. Damnit.

 

The 9550 has dual mic as standard.

Also those of you still complaining about the lack of a ti, this laptop does not have the thermals to cope with it. It is about as thin as they come.

 

The Inspirion Gaming is up with both the 1050 and 1050ti

 

Interesting: MSI WS63, 3.96lbs, 0.69” thin, light aluminum chassis, 7th Gen. Intel® Core™ i7, Quadro® P3000with 6GB GDDR5 graphics card, 3 fans and 5 heat pipes.

 

You're right, the lack of dell's desire to improve thermals on their laptop means it would run hotter. It also means I won't likely be buying another XPS15 this go around, I was all primed and ready to buy one too...

 

Yes it has better thermals, it is also a lot thicker looking at it as they have not included the screen in that calculation!!

 

hmm 10% bigger battery? very niceeeee. Are there any other quad-core thin&light machines with touch screen that can compete with the XPS 15/precision m5520? It's hard to believe it's been the best machine for over a year.

 

If you don't need it for gaming, what difference does it make to you whether it's 1050 or 1050ti?

you are complaining without any concerns for physics, bigger gpu = more warmth, but hey!..Don't let the door hit you in the back on your way out.

 

Currently available roughly in this range, for instance (all have a range of options, some pluses and some minuses)
https://geizhals.de/msi-gs63vr-6rf-...h11-0016k2-sku1-a1526802.html?hloc=at&hloc=de
https://geizhals.de/msi-ws60-6qj-wo...-0016h8-sku1502-a1353333.html?hloc=at&hloc=de
https://geizhals.de/hp-zbook-studio-g3-t7w04et-abd-a1387901.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

It looks more box-like, while the XPS is thinner at front. It is also bigger because of the wider bezels around the screen. But the hardware seems notably more considerable, I guess it will cost more, and there's another cheaper model. Got zero experience with MSI though. But I can hardly imagine more BIOS & drivers hassle than with this Dell

 

Lol, you're cute. I do play an occasional game, I never said that I didn't, hence the desire to have a 1050ti vs the much slower 1050. I am not complaining without concerns for physics/thermodynamics, I am a mechanical engineer who designed enclosures for military RF components, I know all too well what needs to be done to remove heat. I also realize that Dell could make improvements to the cooling on the XPS 15 and put the 1050ti in it. If MSI can put a 1060 in a 15" that is similar in thickness, Dell can figure something out.

I think someone really just needs a hug here, you going to be ok?

 

judging by the do-it-your-self posts with people using thermal paddings to get temperatures from 90 down to 72, I agree that dell could do a better job. But whether it has a 1050 or a 1050ti isn't as much of a make or break as you are trying to make it be.
And If you want a gaming laptop, go buy that instead, but then you are going to try dodge that point by telling me again that you aren't buying XPS for gaming purposes because you wouldn't consider anything below 1060 for gaming, and then I will ask you what your problem is then, where you will respond that you do actually want to play computer games on it, thus the circle will repeat because you cannot make up your mind.

As for the being cute and hug part. If you are trying to rail me up, you need to try harder.

 

83% faster for the ti vs 34% faster for the non-ti is a BIG difference. I was planning on upgrading the XPS and 84% difference would have been a good deal, 34% is not. I don't want a gaming laptop, the XPS isn't supposed to be a gaming laptop. Just because you can be happy with mediocrity doesn't mean I should be. I like the form factor of the 9550, it's great for class and the occasional game. Having a faster GPU in there would have been great.

What I'm getting at is that a 1050ti wouldn't make it a gaming laptop, it would make it a much more versatile laptop. I'm also pointing out that a 1060 with a higher TDP than a 1050ti is in an equally thin laptop, dell could do it.

 

I'm not sure if a 1060gtx would work well in the flat XPS... but then again Acer has also announced the 1060gtx within the flat Nitro Black Edition... so what do I know. The fan noise created by cooling this GPU must be a nightmare though. But the 1050 ti would surely work well. Feels like Dell's going cheap... which is kinda ridiculous for the XPS being their flagship model and its sophisticated price.

 

The cost diference is like $30. Its not just them going cheap.

Its not just about thickness, how the chassis is designed plays as least as big of a role. The 9550/9560 are sold on having the width/depth of a 14" laptop. And a giant ass battery. Cooling takes physical volume that the XPS15s just doesn't have to spare. It also makes for a *louder* laptop.

We could have a 1060 if Dell did the "giant heatsink behind the screen hinge" thing they do with the Alienware line. Compare the HxWxD and noise of that 15" 1060 laptop to the XPS15. Does that sound worth it to you? It doesn't to me.

I'd be interested to see the design specs TDP difference between the 960 and 1050 and 1050Ti. I bet the 1050 is the same as the 960, and the Ti is a good 10-15w higher.

 

In my opinion heatsink design could more than make up for the added TDP. Maybe give us copper fins, how about a flat heatsink? Better vents? Tons of room to improve there.

According to notebookcheck.net here are the TDPs:
960M - 60W
1050 - 40-50W
1050ti - 70W (but comments it's likely lower)

Not sure how accurate those numbers are since the desktop variants are both rated at 75W and actual tests show that the 1050 is only 5W below the ti.

 

What do you mean by a flat heatsink? Just QC coming out of the factory with better tolerances?

The 9550 out of the factory had real heat issues with the 960M. A few adjustments made a huge improvement (as the NBR thread below highlighted) but most users are not going to disassemble their laptops for "proper thermals."

As Dell has apparently made few changes to the 9560 thermals, it is fair to assume the 1050ti is a non-starter out of the factory. It would have to be severly underclocked or would throttle early and often.

That said, for expert users, liquid metal thermal paste might give the thermals enough improvement for the 1050ti. Problem is the liquid metal is dangerous if it gets on other parts of the motherboard. It is expensive. And there are questions about performance declines over time.

 

I mean a heatsink that doesn't come from the factory pre-bent. Tighter tolerances would be great. You've read my repasting thread where I talked about every XPS that I took apart (10+) that had an issue with the heatsink and they all needed different thermal pads for the VRAM.

How do you know the 1050ti would be an issue? In the desktop world the 1050 and 1050ti are within 5W of each other. Dell offers either a 1050 or a 1050 ti in their inspiron lineup.

 

Speculation. The TDP delta from the notebookcheck estimates above are 20-30 watts different. Notebookcheck says delta is less; but it has to be a lot less or the stock cooling system will get killed (as we know!)

 

Right, the numbers don't add up to me though. notebookcheck says that the 1050ti is the replacement for the 970m so it's TDP should be around 70W. I couldn't see extra cores and a small bump in clock speeds equating to a 20-30W difference (especially because it doesn't in the desktop card).

 

So has Windows Hell via finger print scanner been confirmed at CES? I see it listed but the few first looks at CES on Youtube does not show any fingerprint scanner on the units they had?

 

There is definately a fingerprint reader. Someone on reddit posted a pic of the 9560 with that little square right under the arrow keys.

 

Regarding the fingerprint sensor, but also the rest:

 

Aww man the fingerprint sensor already looks like is was not build in correctly and is slightly rotated.
XPS QC here we go again, the ride never ends.

 

Meh, I still think Dell should have a 17 inch infinity-Edge to Edge Laptop included in the XPS tier. Of course with Nividia 1080 and few more highter specs then the 15 inch models.

 

To be honest, even the 1060 would be cool to see in an xps, granted the cooling should be on par with at least the razer blade or just have a somewhat acceptable cooling solution...

 

If you neuter the CPU and GPU tdp so they don't run at speed like Razer does, maybe. But the XPS 15 has less volume in the base than the blade. It also has a much larger battery.

The XPS is a thin and light laptop for work. I'm not sure why so many people who sound like they want a clevo are looking at the XPS. I don't want a laptop that destroys itself, and it's why I'll never buy another Blade.

 

I have the small battery 9550. Of course that empty 2.5" HDD bay is so large, Dell (or someone with a too much time on his hands) could engineer a powerful auxillary cooling system there...

 

Do you mind sharing how your Blade ended up destroying itself?

 

i still hope they have a version with GTX1050TI later. like the new inspiron 14/15

 

Really? You're talking here as if the GPUs in the entire modern XPS line had leaps of over 80% in performance. The first modern XPS 15 had a GT 435M, and the ones after respectively had a 540M, 630M, 750M, and a 960M. The leap in terms of raw performance between generations never even exceeded 15%. Wthat makes you think, for one, they must make you happy and put a 1050Ti? Besides the fact the 1050 will remain much cooler in such chassis, I think an upgrade of 34% is quite respectable.

 

The chassis was so hot that it caused heat damage to the screen through the protector and glass.

 

Sorry to hear that, that's astounding.

 

Sorry for that mate. And I always thought Razer uses GPUs they can't cool...

 

The fact that any laptop that is going from a 960m to a 1050ti is getting an 85% upgrade? I mean it's not hard to figure that one out. Look at the inspiron, look at any laptop going from a 970m to a 1060m. What is your point exactly? Also we don't know real TDPs yet, I've mentioned a few times that the desktop variants have a 5W difference between the two.

 

I'm not comparing how the XPS line evolved compared to other brands or laptop lines, but rather how XPS evolved itself! Compared to how Dell refreshed the GPUs in the XPS in the past, an upgrade from the 960M to 1050 is still considered "within the right percentage". You think it is too low, but the previous upgrades were worse. lol

EDIT: I do understand your concern about how even a 1050Ti can fit in terms of heat and TDP and still not cause throttling and overheating, or how they refreshed lower end models with better GPUs. The reason is quite simple: The biggest concern/priority Dell gives to in the XPS isn't the GPU, but rather the general build quality and reliability. Inspiron series are more suited for those who buy a laptop to play games rather than use it in a professional environment, hence the use of the 1050Ti: A budget GPU that DOES get hot, but performs great for 1080p gaming. Those who target the XPS rarely take gaming for a priority. Even if, let's say, you DO play games but still need an XPS form factor, you can live with a 1050 as it is not bad AT ALL. But like I said, the priority in the XPS is not the GPU. They're not forced to use it although it meets the allowed TDP and heat limits.

 

I see what you're saying about the lackluster increases in the past, but the fact that pascal brought huge increases to even value lines like the inspiron means we should be able to take advantage of them too. I'm really just disappointed in the way it played out - probably because I was stoked to buy a new XPS.

 

You probably can still live another year (or even 2) with the 960M before the XPS sports a GPU worth the upgrade. Pascal V2 as well as Volta are on their ways the next 2 years. Who knows, we might even see a GTX 2060 in the XPS as 2060Ti will also debut in high end laptops!
As for now, I won't be considering an XPS15 for myself (coming from a 2011 iGPU only laptop, any upgrades are good for me XD) before I make sure the coil whine issue is fully fixed. Otherwise, I'm still looking at high end models with at least the GTX 1060.

 

That's almost funny you know ;(

 

I said it is their number 1 concern. It doesn't mean they're actually doing it. ;(

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The new XPS 13 2-1 has Thunderbolt 3, x4 per image at reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/5mlyek/confirmed_dell_xps_13_2_in_1_has_full_speed_4x/

Apparently Intel JHL6340 Thunderbolt 3 controller

Can we see the controller on the 9550 like that reddit image shows?

 

That's my thought too. The XPS is not a gaming line. If you want a pure gaming machine, go buy that 1050ti inspiron or an alienware 15. I'll be quite happy with the lower heat and noise output.

 

Yeah, but not surprising. Regardless of the quality control issues, the way Razer treats its customers is disgusting.

 

Hey all,

I just received my XPS 13 9360 with i7, 8gb RAM, 256gb SSD and QHD screen. Everything is great except for a few annoyances.

1). I really hate the adaptive screen brightness, is there a way to disable this feature? I've read online that there is a fix for the QHD screen by calling tech support, but can anyone confirm and how to implement this?

2). Is there a way to not allow devices like Bluetooth mouse and keyboards wake up the laptop from sleep? My "Allow this device to wake the computer" is grayed out under Device Manager and I don't think there is an option through the BIOS.

3). My brand new laptop is not sleeping. Whenever I press the power button as it is set to Sleep, or manually press sleep through the Start menu, it would turn off the display, but my Power Indicator light will still illuminate and I can still hear the fan running.

4). Once I fix my laptop so it actually sleeps, I heard that while sleeping, the Power Indicator light would not flash like on other laptops, if so, how do we tell if the laptop is indeed in sleep or turned off?

Sorry for my post, but I am very OCD about my electronics

 

Do you guys think there will be a 7700hq version without the 1050? I would rather spend the money on a TB3 eGPU since I never game on the go.

 

I suspect it's not that machine. Why is it showing a Skylake CPU and HM170 chipset? We know the 13 2-in-1 has a Kaby Lake and 175 chipset.

 

I think so; the promo website ( http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-15-9560-laptop/pd) says about "an optional 4GB GeForce® GTX 1050 graphics card".

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-XPS9560...963130&sr=8-18&keywords=dell+xps+15+16gb&th=1

Found this.

 

I doubt they'd customize the skus like that, too expensive. I'd love the option, though. Honestly a tough choice!