XPS15 9560 Kaby Lake Product Page.....

Getting a bit off topic in here

 

Xiao mi has been able to do it decently well. Nearly all laptops are made in that area.

 

Fair point, idea is certainly worth looking into.

Sorry

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I don't get it. I read so much great things about this laptop and suddenly this thread has turned into a XPS 15 hate fest. Is it really that bad or it's people who got unlucky or are perfectionists who are the loudest voices in the room?

 

Nah, it is not that bad. It will probably end up being a pretty good laptop. It's just that it no longer fits some of our needs.

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I think it is due to a few factors.

It is a very expensive laptop so we expect excellent build quality, it doesn't have this.
We are promised fixes that never come or never work such as the flicker issue. We raised this with Dell and had a specific fix released that ended up making matters 10x worst and was so hacked together they removed the 1st 20% brightness, this was not fixed in the following several BIOS releases basically taking the piss until the latest one seemed to just revert to the pre fix.

Even after this I am still looking to buy the next model the 9560 due to the performance and size of the laptop that just can't be beaten.

 

Except you cant't get a Spectre 360 with a quad core CPU. I need that and that need has really, really restricted my options in thin, light notebooks with long battery life. Right now the XPS twin brother (Precision 5520) is about the only option I'm comfortable with (and Precision 5520 due to the people who have owned both and opened them up and talked about the better build quality and reliability of the Precision over the XPS.)

 

What about eGPU on a 7500U with TB3? I'm really liking the Asus Zenbook 3 Deluxe UX490UA.

 

I really like my XPS. The combination of performance, screen, upgradability, size, weight, design, keyboard, etc. is quite good. Just not as good as Dell marketing says it is.

Unfortunately, the 9550 shipped in beta form. Most of the major issues were resolved via BIOS and driver updates, but it took Dell a long time (e.g. the 4k flicker was largely resolved last month!). Cooling shortcuts requre performance users to replace the thermal paste and thermal pads. It probably took me a few hundred hours of research and execution to optimize this laptop and I think that is a big ask from Dell. If Dell had shipped the 9550 with fully vetted BIOS-drivers and proper thermal paste-thermal pads then optimization would have taken a few hours at most.

Also, Dell's marketing needs to be called out. The TB3 lane reduction will "suprise" some users for speed and compability. Dell's own Thunderbolt problems and the Dell TB15 dock "recall." The HDMI 2.0 "oversight" is irritating. The 9560's missing fingerprint scanner, however, is better than a defective one (it must have been really bad for dell not to deliver in beta form).

In the final analysis, after a year of painful real-world beta testing, Dell got the 9550 largely sorted and mine runs largely trouble free. The "new" 9560 looks to be virtually the same as the 9550 so owners should benefit from massive real-world platform testing. Dell said they improved the Alienware thermal paste-thermal pads around December 2016 so maybe that flows through to the 9560. Today I think the 9550 is an excellent laptop for technically savy users who understand its limitations and are able (or willing to learn) to optimize it. The 9560 may be even better but I'll let new market beta testers report here...

 

My experience also, my brand new XPS13 required 3 services before I could even start using it properly.

 

The main thing that pissed me off is the fact that all these problems seem so unnecessary. With some decent Quality Control Dell could have been the manufacturer that finally offered a "real PC" that was as good as a MacBook Pro. But they seem to drop the ball every time, mostly due to very poor Quality Control. I long for the day when I can finally stop considering the MacBook Pro just to get a good laptop to run Windows.

 

If Intel somehow is able to release it's Optane drive in 2017 and it lives up to all the hype surrounding it, how fast do you think Dell would be in getting it into the XPS?

Again, IF the hype is true, it's never fun to hear about some 'game changer' coming out right after you buy..

 

They're extremely expensive. Probably never for the XPS, maybe for Precision.

 

What's really going on here are XPS 9550 owners (I'm one) have been looking for reasons to hate the new model so that they don't end up A) having serious envy or B) end up spending on the new model. It always feels good to not have to spend money and time on upgrading. If Dell and Intel had new hardware every 6-months, most people would be pissed off and talking trash because they can't afford to upgrade that often. Then you'd have people like me pissed off because the time it takes to set up a new PC, is very annoying to me.

 

Can somebody pls test overclock abilities of the 9560 GPU? How fast can it OC with what temperatures and probably do some game benchmarks. I am really curios.

 

It isn't advisable to overclock with this laptops cooling. If you want to know buy one and break your own

 

Overclocking a GTX 1050 that is barely a gaming card on such thin chassis? Brilliant idea!

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With these, you tend to need OC approaches to keep the stock frequencies unthrottled under load. In particular, the "power limit" throttling due to the overheating of the VRM area may remain an issue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/5rp61a/follow_up_to_1050_thermal_throttle_on_xps_15_9560/
It would be interesting to see some statistics, if the need for repasting/repadding has decreased since the 9550.
A few game benchmarks have already been reported, surely more are coming.

 

On my 9550, I had power throttling problems. I largely addressed throttling with undervolting, repasting the CPU & GPU, repadding VRAM (assume VRAM fix unecessary on 9560 unless someone proves otherwise). Some people told me heat is unrelated to PL throttling but I saw otherwise...

But...I recenty noted that Intel XTU allowed me to boost turbo power (watts and time) a lot. One can't boost to 500 watts because Dell and Intel have protection to ignore that. But a reasonable increase worked wonders. See thread linked below. Just make sure you monitor all the temperature sensors for a while to make sure things stay reasonably cool.

CAUTION - it looks like one of the temperature sensors in the 9560 is mislabeled (at least in aida64, maybe others). GoNz0 noted a similar mislabeling of the temperature sensor around the voltage regulator area on the 9550 and helped the software firm fix the bug. I don't know if anyone is taking the same initiative...

https://forums.aida64.com/topic/3344-dell-xps-9550-wrong-sensor-info/

There is a 9550 thread dedicated to "Power Limit" throttling that may be helpful for 9560 users:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-xps-15-9550-power-limit-throttling.793136/

 

We will know if the sensors need swapping if the memory heats up but the vram doesn't.

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Well, I understand this is a form of overclocking and that it helps avoid the odd cycling of the power limit throttling. But essentially, PLT is likely caused by the overheating of the VRM area, and I guess the cooling doesn't get improved by turbo power boost.

 

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That sounds logical.

But since nobody knows exactly what factors are triggering XPS Power Limit Throttling I'm not sure it is 100% correct in my situation (as heat seems to be a factor in PLT).

The undervolting and repasting gave me a lot more thermal headroom. That headroom probably allowed turbo limit-time adjustments to provide more performance without thermal issues on my system.

To your point, the VRM mosfets perform exponentially bad as heat rises. That is the real issue. So finding a way to keep the VRM area even just a little cooler can provide a lot of performance. A few guys had luck with cheap thermal pads on the VRM chokes but that is a balancing act (do a serch here at NBR). I always am tempted to drill a few holes in the bottom case below the VRM and buy a cheap laptop cooler w/fan.

 

- here are some first game benchmarks on Dell 9560

 

Has anyone tried to make a stable undervolt?

 

Every CPU is different - some may undervolt better than others.

 

I have to start from -5mv?

 

No, I would start at say -90mv and run prime for a bit (20 mins or so). If you don't get an error try -100mv and repeat.

My 7700k does 4.8ghz with a -80mv undervolt in the bios just fyi.

 

I am a 9550 owner and my 9560 will be here tomorrow, does anyone have any progressive ideas for data transfer from the 9550 to 9560? Image copy, backup transfer etc, just looking for the best way if anyone has recently done the same.

Thanks!

 

If I move to the 9560 from my 9550, I will just do as I've always done by transferring all of my data with my USB 3.0 external drive. In the past that has always been the best way for me to make sure everything is as smooth as possible even though it takes me a few hours to do that and to reinstall all of my programs.

Let me know how you like it and what the differences are for you. My 9560 won't be here for another week or more and I am also waiting on a full spec Macbook Pro 15. I will compare my current 9550 to the 9560 and the 9560 to the MBP 15 and then decide which I like best. I am a Windows guy and I love Windows 10. However, despite the horrible keyboard of the new MBP 15, I am starting to lean towards jumping ship to Mac. I really like the lighter and thinner design of the MBP and the longer battery life. I also use and love my iPad and iPhone. But I also have learned to really love the XPS 9550 and I've never had any of the hardware issues with it that other owners have complained about.

 

I will definitely report back on it, I also have an older MacBook Pro mid 2012 retina, for me, the XPS 9550 was lightning quick compared to it, and of course better for gaming, Photoshop with the 4k screen etc. The MacBook Pro is the biggest plus for me in the area of being able to iMessage from it directly to contacts.

 

iMessage and all of the other integration tools are looking very attractive to me. I also checked and all of the apps that I use on my XPS, are all available for Mac.

I am considering the switch based mostly on the new hardware and promise of updated MBP CPU's later this year. I could get the current MBP and then sell it and upgrade to the next gen intel updates when they come out.
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I spent a good hour or more testing the new MBP alongside my XPS at the Apple store recently and I love the design/body of the MBP more but the 4K bezel-free XPS display is much nicer to me.

 

I use macrium reflect

 

The new Razerblade has similar specs + 1060 in a slim frame making it VR ready. Ugh, I really prefer Dell.

 

I looked as well, same spec as I am getting in the 9560 costs £500 more just for the bigger video card

 

Thanks GoNz0, with Macrium, any tips? Which edition do you use?

 

I wouldn't worry too much about it, the 1050 already throttles in the 9560 (it throttles at lower than 80° so i guess it's more of a software issue than a heat one but still).
I think the 1060 is over the limit of compact notebooks' cooling capabilities and i personally would hate to have it and use it at 80% of its power.

 

I bought the home edition as I was so impressed with the trial followed by a stint with the free version. Try a demo for 30 days of home, it does everything you need.
I suggest trying a restore to dissimilar hardware if you want to do it as easily as possible. Failing that having a full backup to hand that can be mounted in a couple of clicks and browsed to find all your files is the other option.

 

BTW' Can you please let me know if the keyboard and trackpad are exactly the same as on the 9550? I have serious annoyance issue with the 9550 keyboard buttons and trackpad, becoming dirty very quickly. My hands ae always clean and I don't eat and use my laptop at the same time. However, from day one, there has always been this white-like thin layer that builds up on the keys and trackpad. You can see it in some lighting conditions and angles and just makes the entire deck look faded out/old. Clean it and it happens all over again very quickly. I have a Samsung Notebook with all black deck (keys and trackpad) and after a year of usage, I never had that issue nor the issue on an all black Sony Vaio.

 

It's the same.

 

70WHr battery with a 4k screen though. Ugh.

 

Do anyone know the size of connectors for the DC? For XPS 9560

4.5 x 3.0
7.4 x 5.0

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Same as the 9550 if that helps.

 

Can I ask please:
1.Dell version XPS 15 9560 has a lot bloatware? If yes is a possible to uninstall it?
2.I read what 4K display is very glassy, is so much bad? If you using outside is difficult to read a text or watch a video? Exists apps it can use 4K resolution?
3.Can you change a resolution on 4K version of 9560 to FullHD? If yes what a different a battery life after charging a resolution?

 

1, not much but you can uninstall it all
2, it is bright so often overcomes outdoor reflections. Most things scale to look normal.
3 yes, and not a lot.

 

Did you get newest update Windows 10 on XPS 9560? If yes is better a performance?
I asking because I read that several times Microsoft updates Windows 10 with a lot of problems. What problems on XPS 15 9560 if yes?

 

I can't be the only one who hates the easy-to-get-dirty keys of the XPS. Just a few changes could make the XPS 15 the best 15 inch laptop in the world.

 

Concerning #2 - it shouldn't be big problem. I ordered dell xps 15 9560 mate screen protector which should turn your reflective 4k touch screen into anti-glare 4k touch screen.
I used similar for my cellphone with even higher DPI - it works just fantastic...

 

I would probably get through 10 before throwing the laptop across the room due to specs under it