XPS15 9560 Kaby Lake Product Page.....

Are you trying to be a beta tester for the fingerprint reader also?

To be frank, if that hardware was not included on launch, I don't expect it to be available anytime.

Fingerprint development has to be a real mess if Dell did not have the audacity to include it in beta form for public consumption...

 

Wow, thanks I totally missed it!

 

Thanks for the reply.
Well, do u think that the 9550 isn't a good choice?
I have found one used, only 10 days, at 1000 euro.
i7, 16gb ram, 512 ssd and fhd dispaly.

 

Gonzo, what discounts are you using?

 

A dell VIP 10% off but chat will give you 12% off

 

Dell VIP? Fancy! How'd ya get it?

 

Like I said you get a better deal via live chat as they up it to 12% and you can't stack codes

http://www.dell.com/learn/uk/en/ukdhs1/campaigns/epp-home-page-uk?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs

 

Sort of strange question here, but if you are playing online poker, and you try to fit four tables of poker not over lapping (tiling) on a 15" screen, do you think it would look different/better/sharper on a 4k display vs the 1080p? Any elaboration here would be much appreciated.

 

http://www.windowscentral.com/option-dell-xps-15-9560-fingerprint-reader-february

 

Thanks Gonzo. Part of me wants to give it a shot in the hope it is a better experience than my 9550

 

You get time to return it, if it is defective you can shoult for a new build or arrange collection and a full refund.

Anyway the offers on the UK site has changed form £100 off to 10% off so 50-100% better discount. Still tap up chat as they will up it to 12% but anyone getting more discount needs to post it here (spec, country and price)

 

Waiting for your impressions of the XPS 15, whenever you get yours.

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I'm holding out for a fingerprint reader so don't hold your breath

 

I'm holding off to see how many units you go through before the bloody thing works, so I'm quite willing to wait.

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I'm sure by the time we know how many units GoNzo will go through the 5970 will be released. I will hold out too, not looking to be a beta tester. The 9550 that I have from work is perfect, no issues whatsoever But I've read enough from other users.

~Aeny

 

GoNz0, are you a matte guy or a glossy-touch-UHD guy?

 

4k touch, 99% is without a window behind or outdoors.

 

Ah. I've been thinking if I'm willing to trade battery life and price for fidelity and touch. I dare say the touch is still the way to go.

 

Also, if they are using the same 1080p as last year, I wouldn't touch it. The response times were so slow it actually made me feel sick using it

 

It's all in the user. I don't have any issue with mine.

 

If you manage to get a working Dell, it is usually quite OK, but the problem is that so many units have quality problems.

 

That is a pretty good deal. Price out the RAM and SSD alone.

I would want official Dell warranty for some time. And easily return to seller for cash return if any issues.

 

Anyone?

 

Depends on how your app handles scaling, but overall they'll look similar. A physically bigger screen would help a lot in that situation.

 

Thanks. I agree that screen size matters but in the past, when comparing 1080p to lower resolutions, the difference in terms of viewability of four tables is very very significant. So I guess what I'm wondering is whether 1080p to 4k will create any similar effect, even if smaller or if it is almost entirely irrelevant when reading details of small text etc.

 

Go to Best Buy (or any other electronics store) and compare 2 screens of the same size, from the same distance, but one is HD and the other is 4K. It DOES look clearer, and you CAN see more details on the 4k screen. But in reality, unless your content actually has very small "things" like uniform numbers or names, you're really not going to miss it. How long do you stare at 4k landscape images until you stop seeing every tiny detail, and just see the pretty picture as a whole? I would argue not long at all.

That being said, in your case, I do think 4k will help you see more details of each players cards. Twice as sharp. But if your content is now half the size (not scaled) then you're right back to where you started.

 

AFAIK the response time of the 4K isn't fast either. I prefer gamut to response speed.

 

Thanks. The tables are adjustable size so putting four tables on a 15" screen can cover the exact same amount of screen real estate regardless of resolution. So with 4 tables equally spread over the whole 15" screen, it sounds like you really do think that the 4k screen will make it easier to read the details (small numbers, pot size, cards, etc). That would be relevant.

 

I tried searching through this thread, but was unable to find it. Was there a verdict on whether or not the 9560 actually has the GTX 1050 Ti or not? Dell support is claiming it does and that it should be listed on the website, but I don't really believe them. The only think that leads a bit of credence to their claim is that I can't find any other examples of regular 1050's with 4gb.

 

Texan - Answer is littered around the thread but post below for your convenience

 

Ok gotcha. Thanks for making things convenient for me!

 

If it was a TI it would say so on the product page. It doesn't.

 

Yeah, and another Dell rep just responded to me on the Dell forum that it's not a Ti. Guess the other Dell reps don't know what the hell they're talking about... which doesn't surprise me in the least.

That's too bad; the XPS 15 would be perfect for my work needs if it had a slightly better GPU.

 

9560 confirmed Thunderbolt 3 port is x2

https://twitter.com/AzorFrank/status/821872529488965632

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/5ot8dn/dell_xps_15_9560_has_2x_on_the_tb3_port_confirmed/

 

Not only is the Tb3 port limited to 2 pcie lanes, the purported "HDMI 2.0" is actually 1.4.... disappointment after disappointment. Seems like Dell did little else other than slap in a new processor and gpu. Knowing this I think it is absolutely safe to say the coil whine issue will be present. Why such poor treatment of its flagship device?

Biggest issue for me by far will be the display. I seriously doubt that they've changed the IGZO panels at all. They will almost definitely still have atrocious ghosting issues that renderany sort of competitive fps experience unreliable.

I waited months for the mbp redesign, and after being disappointed by that looked instead to the XPS. And what do you know? Dell threw in KBL/Pascal and called it a day!

I know this is just fantasy but all I want is a sleek, well designed, compact 15' with good build quality/battery/960m+ gpu performance and doesn't look like I walked out of a esports convention with gaudy LEDs. Too much to ask for?

 

While it may only be 14 inches, the Gigabyte Aero 14 (1060) in black may fulfill your requirements. However, if does not have TB3.

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Yep, I've been considering that one as well, thanks. I guess the biggest hurdle for me after being spoiled by years of solid unibody metal constructions is going back to a plastic windows machine. The large chin bar also looks decades old next to the XPS 15. But this is just nitpicking of course

 

You sound surprised.

 

I guess that I may not end up buying this laptop. If it's TB3 port is so badly crippled, E-GPU is pointless. I wish Dell had got their sh*t together and fixed the problems with the previous version. Then I would have given it serious consideration.

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If you look at the numbers alone it is actually not a huge step back from pcie x4. It's probably another 10-15% performance hit, in addition to the 10-15% you're looking at using when using an eGPU. Small details, really. But when dell starts compromising on a lot of these details they add up...

 

Lack of a hello-cam kills it. I've been looking at the T570, but it's bigger than the XPS 15 and it's got a pathetic GPU. I refuse to buy from razer, and the aw 13 is too toyish. It's like the only laptops with the features I want and TB3 have U-series cpus :/

 

Sounds like MBP and XPS are your only options for a slim device then. The lack of real competitors to the two is frustrating. I'd purchase the surface book except that I don't particularly agree with the MS vision of tablet/laptop integration.

With Dell, it's even more infuriating because their new 9365 has 4 pcie Lanes (who knew it was possible?) and a PROPERLY centered webcam with Windows Hello. This is a machine with a crippled 4.5W CPU. Why can't they pull it off on a flagship 15' workhorse?

I should have seen the warning signs when they didn't so much as mention the XPS 15 once during the CES keynote...

 

Yup. And considering that likely as not I'll have to go through a couple of faulty units before I get a working one (I may be exaggerating a bit, but I don't think I'm that far off), it simply isn't worth the trouble.

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I might wait for the kaby lake refresh of the mbp, but it won't support Windows hello either. I also can't buy a machine with a soldered ssd. **** that.

Imo best workhorse machine out there right now is the spectre x360 refresh. Windows hello, proper cam placement, tb3, nice keyboard, compact design.

Bah. So fed up with these companies that just don't get it. I just ordered a ThinkPad x230 off eBay and will wait as long as it takes.

Serious question: you guys think it could be successful if I were to do a kickstarter for an aluminum quad core laptop with tb3, replaceable ram and ssd? Nothing fancy. I think there might be a market for it, but maybe I'm misreading it

 

I'd back it. I think there is a niche for it, and if executed well will be worth a look.

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I think it would cost 3-500k, and would need at least 5000 orders for economy of scale. I also can't recall any computers that became successful off kickstarter.

 

Yeah, it all depends on price per unit, and things like keyboard quality, trackpad quality, screen quality, etc.

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The easiest way would be for it to be outsourced to a local manufacturer in SZ/guangdong

 

Yeah, good point. But would things like input devices and screen be up to scratch?

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