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    Got my new Inspiron 1520

    Discussion in 'Dell' started by OxycontinBitritrate, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. majortom1981

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    all the screen shots show ddr3 so where is everybody getting ddr2 from?

    maybe its 700mhz but underclocked? has anybody tried clocking it up to 700mhz?

    Since all the screenshots that people took show DDR3?
     
    majortom1981, Jul 9, 2007
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  2. Osserpse

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    No one is going to be able to overclock their RAM 300MHz (600), or 75% higher, to 700MHz (1400). It's not going to happen.
     
    Osserpse, Jul 9, 2007
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  3. skynetwork

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    lol ... it was ME who posted some of the very first synthetic benchmarks of a 8600M GT chip in here :D (not in the dell forum, but elsewhere, just go finding topics made by me and you will see)
    and just go checking the asus benchmarkthread for realworld and synthetic benchmarks. then go over an check compal threads, zepto threads and rest for other benchmarks and compare them but stop whining around. the internet is full of benchmarks and gametests of this card and they all prove me right ;)
    i already had 3 different laptops with 8600M GT chip in here for reviewing purposes so do not try to tell me something according to performacedifferences.

    its a pity that its ddr2 now but its more of a pity seeing ppl like you ending up to be suffering from some score in benchmarks :eek:
    maybe you should consider buying yourself only a MXM-card with GDDR3 without a laptop to make yourself happy.
     
    skynetwork, Jul 9, 2007
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  4. Osserpse

    Osserpse Notebook Evangelist

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    How about you go fetch those benchmarks and post them here. Make sure they're all equal comparisons. Make sure the rest of the components in the laptop(s) are the same. Otherwise, shove it. The speed hit will be noticeable.

    I'm done posting here tonight. Off to get drunk with some buddies. Bai.
     
    Osserpse, Jul 9, 2007
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  5. majortom1981

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    Never say never. we dont know what speed ram dell used. is their even such a thing as 400mhz ddr3 ram? everyscreen shot has shown ddr3 ram. Is it possible dell has used ddr3 700mhz ram and severely underclocked it?
     
    majortom1981, Jul 9, 2007
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  6. Chainbrain

    Chainbrain Notebook Guru

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    So much drama over such small RAM chips!
     
    Chainbrain, Jul 9, 2007
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  7. phobos512

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    Are we STILL sure that it's showing the 3d clock speed and not the 2d clock speed?
     
    phobos512, Jul 9, 2007
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  8. Pwnstar

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    Hmm, maybe it's actually DDR2, but they made it so it shows up as DDR3 on programs that show you the stats or whatever, because Dell screwed up so they just ran with the idea and hoped no one would notice??! CONSPIRACY??
     
    Pwnstar, Jul 9, 2007
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  9. RyanHurtt

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    Everyone missed my post I think... If you buy the cheaper computer, you're getting the cheaper equipped 8600M GT. Spend 1000$ more and you'll get the DDR3 8600M GT.

    The nVidia website states the cards come equipped with DDR2 or DDR3 ram.

    The same goes for the 8400M GS. The XPS advertises it with DDR3 (Expensive) While the 1520 advertises it with DDR2. (Cheaper)
     
    RyanHurtt, Jul 9, 2007
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  10. chuck232

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    I'd be pretty certain. Otherwise, the 475MHz core clock would be much lower.

    Apparently nvidia's vista drivers don't even support alternate 2d/3d modes. I know on the desktop they definitely don't, whereas in XP they do. (Basically, no PowerMizer.)
     
    chuck232, Jul 9, 2007
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  11. skynetwork

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    you know where to find them so go check them or stick to believing the earth is flat :D the speedhit will onyl be noticeable in your own brain, nowhere else.

    but i do not care anyway ......
     
    skynetwork, Jul 9, 2007
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  12. chuck232

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    The thing is, Dell advertised the memory bandwidth as 22.4GB/s, which means 700MHz memory clocks.

    No one's saying a laptop $1000 cheaper should perform the same. Only that Dell advertised one thing and delivered another.
     
    chuck232, Jul 9, 2007
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  13. osso002

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    I believe that the Asus C90S (Asus whitebook) has the 8600GT with DDR3 ram. It also has a desktop processor and a jet engine in the back though... but can be made for ~1500$.
     
    osso002, Jul 9, 2007
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  14. mcs6

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    I'm really curious as to see what Dell does about this if you try to call them out for false advertisement.
     
    mcs6, Jul 9, 2007
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  15. phobos512

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    Can someone take a screenshot of one of the programs while running on battery?
     
    phobos512, Jul 9, 2007
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  16. Chainbrain

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    I'm still going to ordern and inspiron 1520 with the 8600 gt.
     
    Chainbrain, Jul 9, 2007
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  17. liquidplasma6

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    I smell BS

    Maybe the 1720 has DDR3, and the 1520s are stuck with DDR2 :(
     
    liquidplasma6, Jul 9, 2007
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  18. Scypher

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    Yeah, so we can see if the card downclock itself on battery.
     
    Scypher, Jul 9, 2007
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  19. stormchas4

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    I'm currently doing just that with a chat with a sales guy


    9:45:26 PM BE_Christopher_G Actually the Clock speed of the GeForce 8600M GT is at 475 Mhz.
    9:45:41 PM BE_Christopher_G It's memory speed though is at 1400 Mhz
     
    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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  20. thesgc

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    That's why I decided on an Inspiron 1520 over the C90s- I don't want to ACTUALLY go to Warp when playing Star Trek Legacy... :D
     
    thesgc, Jul 9, 2007
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  21. phobos512

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    Actually, it's even more messed up than you know.

    1420: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspnnb_1420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
    NVIDIA® GeForceTM Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR3 dedicated graphic memory

    1520: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspnnb_152x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
    NVIDIA® GeForceTM Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory
    NVIDIA® GeForceTM Go 8600M GT with 256MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory

    1720: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspnnb_172x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
    NVIDIA® GeForceTM Go 8400M GS with 128MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory
    NVIDIA® GeForceTM Go 8600M GT with 256MB DDR2 dedicated graphic memory

    M1330: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1330?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
    Optional:
    NVIDIA GeForceTM Go 8400M GS with 128MB dedicated DDR3 graphics memory
     
    phobos512, Jul 9, 2007
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  22. Scypher

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    :cry: owned...
     
    Scypher, Jul 9, 2007
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  23. RyanHurtt

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    Ahh, understand that they didn't advertise anything wrong. They have DDR3 8600M GT's, in different models. They never specified which model was required for the 22.4GB/s.

    They said the 1520 ships with DDR2 memory...if you didn't put the facts together before you ordered then it's your fault, not theirs. Sneaky I do admit, but completely legal I'm assuming. :)
     
    RyanHurtt, Jul 9, 2007
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  24. Toalmander

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    That's right, we got to sue them. I want 500$ rebate and lifetime warranty
     
    Toalmander, Jul 9, 2007
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  25. lightflux

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    Uhmm....what other models of Dell has DDR3 exactly?
     
    lightflux, Jul 9, 2007
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  26. Stella

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    I don't think you guys are going to like the 3DMark06 results (I can't change the settings because it's the free/basic version). I'm going to try downloading the updated drivers and running it again.
     

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  27. lightflux

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    Omg that sucks beyond.....wtf.......jeeze
     
    lightflux, Jul 9, 2007
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  28. majortom1981

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    Ugh all the pictures show ddr3 why do you guys continue to say its ddr2?
     
    majortom1981, Jul 9, 2007
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  29. stormchas4

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    From my ongoing chat with Dell


    9:57:08 PM BE_Christopher_G Yes and i did verify it and it is a GDDR3 card, as you can see you are looking at a Forum site which there's no guarantee on their answers not unless if it is from Dell Moderator's.
    9:57:38 PM BE_Christopher_G Here i am looking now at the 8600M GT with 479 Mhz clock speed and has a GDDR3 type of memory.
    9:58:33 PM BE_Christopher_G If you are looking for the memory speed that will run at 1400 Mhz.
    9:59:08 PM BE_Christopher_G And yes the max bandwidth is at 22.4.
    9:59:20 PM BE_Christopher_G That's for the memory.
     
    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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  30. phobos512

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    Ooh. :(

    Glad I didn't end up going for the 1520...
     
    phobos512, Jul 9, 2007
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  31. majortom1981

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    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=125246

    that shows a link with a similiarly equiped notebook that has a 3dmark 06 score with a 8600m gs gpu with lower score. why is everybody so upset?

    also THE SCREEN SHOTS YYOU GUYS POSTED SHOW DDR3 MEMORY GO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN.
     
    majortom1981, Jul 9, 2007
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  32. RyanHurtt

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    None. They all say it has DDR2. If you seen DDR2 and 22.4GB/s then you should have known something was up.
     
    RyanHurtt, Jul 9, 2007
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  33. stormchas4

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    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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  34. osso002

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    haha wikiality...
     
    osso002, Jul 9, 2007
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  35. stormchas4

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    I know..but the Dell guy says that is where they get their references from...haha
     
    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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  36. lightflux

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    Dude...the 8600GS and the Dell's 8600GT have practically the same scores..WTF!!!!
     
    lightflux, Jul 9, 2007
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  37. phobos512

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    The 1520 is supposed to have an 8600M GT, not GS.
     
    phobos512, Jul 9, 2007
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  39. RyanHurtt

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    A 50% increase at that...WOW! :eek:
     
    RyanHurtt, Jul 9, 2007
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  40. chuck232

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    No. Go and read the page again.

    http://www.dell.com/content/learnmo..._inspnnb&~lt=popup&~series=inspn&~tab=details

    The 8600M GT advertised for the 1520 and the 1720 is listed as having 22.4GB/s memory bandwidth. Put the facts together for yourself, please.

    I didn't even order the 1520 (got the M1330) but this does smack of false advertising, if 400MHz is indeed the memory clock.
     
    chuck232, Jul 9, 2007
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  41. lightflux

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    Yeah but the funny thing is did you notice the 8600GS on the Asus and the 8600GT on the Dell 1520 are only off by like a hundred points in the benchmarks?
     
    lightflux, Jul 9, 2007
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  42. mcs6

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    I just realized in the rivatuner screenshot it says (6.960Mhz effective) beside memory clock. What does that mean?
     
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  43. majortom1981

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    Alright please pay attention. The screenshotys everybody posted shows the dell 8600gt as having ddr3 memmory.

    Has anybody actually tried changing the memory clock speed higher and then benchmarking it again to see if its stable?

    has anybody also tried changing the vista powersettings so that no power savings are enabled what so ever?
     
    majortom1981, Jul 9, 2007
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  44. stormchas4

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    Doesn't the 22.4 gb/s memory bandwidth go along the memory speed which IS 1400mhz...it doesn't mean the clock speed has to be 700mhz....
     
    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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    That's a really good point - Set the power options to Performance and retest. And if that Dell guy is adiment (spelling?) about the 1400MHz DDR3, then he is either lying, or M$ is stealing precious power...... or old drivers just aren't up to the card....
     
    thesgc, Jul 9, 2007
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  47. RyanHurtt

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    Read the tech specs on those again though Chuck. DDR2 is all over the place. It sounds like all of these guys could have figured out beforehand (If they'd taken the time to look anyways) that something was up.

    Assuming is a bad bet. :)

    EDIT: Also, the 8600GT scores from the Dell are 900-1000 points higher (From 2000 points of the GS). How do you NOT consider that a huge jump???
     
    RyanHurtt, Jul 9, 2007
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  48. stormchas4

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    stormchas4, Jul 9, 2007
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    What I am trying to say is maybe there is a driver problem somehwere because all the programs show the memory as being ddr3 but have it at 400mhz.

    So I think there is either a setting wrong somwhere or dell has underclocked ddr3 memory and that you should be able to heavily overclock it back to what its supposed to be.

    Nobody has tried either of these things yet.
     
    majortom1981, Jul 9, 2007
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  50. b0r

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    LOL. Thats what you ALL get for thinking you can cop a intel/nvidia laptop with graphics like that for just a little around 1k. Gaming laptops..lol. I'll be happy with my movie watching/decent gameplaying ATI/AMD. <3
     
    b0r, Jul 9, 2007
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