New Dell Studio 17 announced (Studio 1745/47)

Good Point about the options, HD Displays I do not know what is going on Lately with DELL having monumental problems configuring the right systems.

My theory is DELL is having trouble "sourcing" HD Displays from LG and others because DELL has to buy the components to begin with.

Or they are just selling too well and can not keep up with demand.

I was able to build a Studio 17 with a 2.8Ghz T9600 and a 900p LED Touch screen, which is great for $1200 BUT, It would not allow a Graphics Card or Intel 5300 N WiFi.

There are some things that are must haves.

HD Display 1080p RGB LED (practically sell out as soon as they come in)
Or
4GB DDR3
Intel 5300 WiFi
ATI 4650 1GB Graphics
Plus or Instead a 900p LED Touch Screen

What ever I do I can not get all these things in 1 Laptop.

I think DELL deliberately forces the customer into an Inferior comprimise that way the machine always lacks a feature.

I purchased a 1737 13 months ago.

T9400 CPU 2.53Ghz 6MB cache
Intel 5300 WiFi N
ATI 3650 Graphics
4GB DDR2 1066 FSB
17" RGB LED 1920x1200 HD Display
Bluray Burner Player

for $1,250 including overnight ship and Messenger Bag

today DELL WILL NOT let you build this system or something comprable

You can get a Studio 17 but only get a DELL cheap WIFI card no Intel or you can get the right CPU, but no ATI Graphics card.

I don't even see the options to add a RGB LED HD Diplay or a Bluray Player Drive anymore.

 

have been mulling over this laptop since it was announced late last year...

Holding out for a full HD set up; (1080p with multi-touch and blu-ray player) still not a possibility yet after another promotions cycle

Next cycle starts on the 6th on the UK site...what are the chances they'll add 1080 multi-touch, blu-ray and intel wireless card option?

also will this ever get superspeed usb 3.0??

 

did any new buyer of the 1747 have the 7 beeps problem?

 

I was originally planning to buy a Studio 17 with a P8700 Core 2 duo 2.53 GHz processor and the ati HD4650 gpu before Christmas. I then noticed the i7 720 qm option. I had an i7 720 Studio 17 actually in my basket when I saw this forum,the XPS 16 throttling one and this one: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19310587/19612534.aspx?PageIndex=6

Needless to say I didn't proceed and thought I'd see how things were going as more people received their i7 Studios. I need a laptop though so a few questions for those who may know:

1. Will a throttled i7-720 be faster or slower than an unthrottled p8700?

2. I shall be going for the 1600x900 screen......will the i7 still be throttled?

3. Is the P8700 likely to be throttled even though it is 25W?

4. Are there any sleep/ 7 beeps issues with the P8700?

5. P8700 or i7 720? What would you go with for ordering now? (Dell rep quoted me 10th Feb delivery for the i7 with purple lid....is the delay significant?)

My son wants to use the laptop for gaming and its the most I can afford. He wants to run Star Wars Force Unleashed now (2.8 GHz Core 2 Duo recommended) but be able to run new games as they come out over the next few years.

Thanks

 

This depends on the amounth of throttling wich will occur at any given moment.

The 900p panel consumes less power than the 1080p screen, hence less throttling will occur.

Only the 1747 series with i7 CPU suffer from throttling, because it (i7 CPU) can consume more energy.

no, only the 1747 series with i7 CPU.

At this moment, there's absolutely no substitute for the Studio 1747 when it comes to price/performance. Nothing will give this much bang for your buck.
Further, throttling will only happen when both the CPU and the GPU are under heavy load, because the power supply is limited to 90W.
Many users have managed to use software (ThrottleStop) in combination with a PSU capable of delivering more power (130W) and have not seen throttling ever since.

 

I am skipping the ENTIRE Core i7 generation based on 45nm die. They are throttled and clocked down BIOS wise etc by the engineers at DELL mainly for battery life reasons, not because DELL wants you to have a slow CPU.

once the 32nm chips get here they will blow away 45nm Core i7

because 45nm Core i7 and 45nm Core 2 Duo just not a good update not worth it. Core 2 Duo perfectly fine.

and with 45nm Core i7 machines being throttled down for battery life heat Watt useage to slower speeds is a bad idea theres always doubt, "is my CPU doing all it can?" Am I getting what I paid for?.

Why is my 300HP Mustang only using 150HP??

Th emain selling point of Core i7 was TURBO BOOST also know on Core 2 Duo as IDA, when its cool enough it goes from 1.7Ghz to 2.8Ghz, but with throttling and problems I would not trust 45nm Core i7. Heck IDA on Core 2 Duo works great my 2.53Ghz T9400 runs at 2.6Ghz when needed like with 2 720p videos going and one Bluray in the drive at 1080p. I am shocked things run but they do and flawlessy, Tried that on a budddies 45nm Core i7 and everything was jerky and lagged Why? Throttled. He returned it for a full money back refund immediately. $1,400 cash back into the Bank.

 

While there's nothing wrong with sticking with the previous version, there's always "something better in the next version" since the dawn of technology.

Being that most high resolution video is decoded and displayed via the video card, not the processor, it seem more likely that you get a better video card in your machine, or there was some other anomoly, than that it was a problem with core 2 duo vs i7. To me, at least.

 

Seems like Dell will be updating the studio 15 line soon with a studio 1558 with core i5 (520M version). Notebookcheck.de got a presample and did a review ( http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Studio-1558-Notebook.24437.0.html).

There have been rumors about a studio 1748, but no real confirmations. I hope this update would follow soon, because as we all have seen, the studio can't handle the core i7 quads at full power. Sadly, but that's reality
Let those updated arrandale studio 17's come!

 

ive also ordered a dell 1747 with 1080P screen, core i7 etc..my EDD is 03/02/2010 i'm also kinda worried about the throttling issue..however, from all ive read, as long as youve got a 130W PSU and throttlestop, there will be no issue right..

I just hope they will give me a 130 PSU for free, or at least some discount..overall, i think this notebook is pretty good, best bang for the buck as far as ive seen around these days, hope i wont regret it

 

what i dont get is why the Core i7 is taken so much more power then..
According to the specs they shouldnt do that. Yes its 10W more for the cpu (35W core 2 duo compared o 45W Core i7) But thats including the memory controller. So a complete setup of the Core 2 Duo including the chipset its is needed compared to the Core i7 complete setup shouldnt differ to much..

I tried to get an as cheap GPU as possible but the insisted that i should get the: 1 GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 but i wanted a way slower card with less memory (games are not played on them)

and now i read that the CPU/GPU combination will drain to much power.. i rather have all the power to my CPU, gpu performance is not needed.

 

when did you order yours?
and where are you located?

 

Europe..Belgium, ordered on 22/12/2009

 

Yeah its 2010 people, I thinks its foolish to purchase a 45nm Core i7 using 45 Watts.

When a Core 2 Duo T series T9600 uses 35 Watts at 45nm or a P series P8700 uses 25 Watts.

And a 55nm ATI 4650 or 4670 Graphics GPU uses 30 Watts or 40 Watts.

Wait for the 32nm chips from Intel.

 

Just got an update from Dell, my Studio 1747 i7 with 1080p screen just got bumped to 29 Jan, apparently missing the base unit. What is the base unit? Maybe a stupid question...

 

Don't know what system your buddy had or what he was doing, but I have no throttling going on with 130W PSU and ThrottleStop and that really only hits during high CPU and simultaneous high GPU activities like gaming, 3d rendering or running benchmarks (CPU AND GPU at same time).

I'd love to see 32nm quad-core but that has not been leaked by Intel yet. This box is the only system currently offering i7 quad with decent video card and a nice screen as well as 2xHDs for a reasonable price (can't even find anything for say $500 more). Now, when HP Envy 17 comes out or when HP DV7t allows 1080p along with better video, then we can see, but right now, there is nothing out there.

 

Core i7 is much faster then the other CPU options for multi-threaded applications. This is why people are experiencing issues. There is no quad-core i7 32nm on Intel roadmap right now, although I am sure it will come out sometimes this year.

Take 45W (max) for CPU, add 40W for video, add 5W for HD and another 5-10W for chipset, then throw in 10W for the screen, 2-3W for RAM, and you get 110W or so right there, and I am sure I am forgetting something (potentially 2nd HD).

 

Thanks for the advice so far. I'm still trying to work out what will give me most bangs for my buck for gaming taking into account potential throttling issues. Studio 1557 potentially restricted by the lower spec gpu or studio 1747 potentially limited by the power supply inadequacy:

Studio 1557:

Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Mobile Processor (1.6GHz, turbo up to 2.8GHz, 6MB L3 Cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Professional, 64bit, English
15.6in Widescreen High Definition (1366x768) WLED with TrueLife
4096MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [2x2048]
500GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive
512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HP 4570
Fixed Internal DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive including Software
Primary 6-cell 56 WHr Lithium Ion battery
Dell Wireless 1397 Mini Card (802.11 b/g)

Studio 1747:

Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Mobile Processor (1.6GHz, turbo up to 2.8GHz, 6MB L3 Cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
4096MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [2x2048]
500GB (5400RPM) Serial ATA Hard Drive
17.3” High Definition+ (1600x900) LED with TL
1GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650
Fixed Internal DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive including Software
Primary 9-cell 85 WHr Lithium Ion battery
Dell Wireless 1397 Mini Card (802.11 b/g)

Studio 1557 is £50 cheaper but I'm happy to pay the extra if the 1747 will deliver the better and more future proof gaming performance. Adding the 7,200 rpm 500GB option to the 1547 is effectively free because it bumps the price up by £30 to a level that then qualifies for a 5% off coupon reducing the price back down by £35!

O.K. Folks, which do you think would deliver the best perfomance accounting for any likely throttling with the screen choices above and no backlit keyboard? Am I being over anxious about the degree of likely throttling on the 1747? The benchmarks for the HD4650 seem to be twice that for the HD4570......will any throttling on the 1747 significantly negate the benefits of the obviously better gpu?

Thanks

 

Studio 17 is going to be much better for gaming due to video card performance/ Throttling is fully manageable with a separate purchase of 130W PSU (you may even manage to get a free one from tech support) and ThrottleStop.

If you don't care about resolution, consider other potential systems like HP DV7t or even Alienware M15x/Asus G51J. All systems have their problems (Alienware has throttling, Asus has bluescreen/short battery/runs very hot), but most are fixable.

 

When did you order? I ordered 12/9 and I had an original arrival date of 1/4 now it has been extended to 1/13.

I ordered the i7 720 with the 1080 R+BG screen. Looks like this combo has been a nightmare for a lot of people with the beeps and throttling issues. I'll let everyone know how it preforms when I get it.

If it isn't perfect, I'm sending it right back for a full refund. This will be my first Dell, btw.

 

From where did you order Etherized?

 

Thanks oblomschik. Would the Studio 17 i7-720 still be the best performer out of my choices without Throttlestop? When buying something new you kind of like to think you've chosen the best available for the money you have got without effectively needing to 'repair it' the moment it arrives. How do you think it would compare to the same Studio 17 configuration but with the P8700 2.53 GHz Core 2 duo processor?

 

I ordered 12\10, had original eta of 1\8. This is sucky, reading the threads i not even sure if it will arrive by then even though the rep says 1\29 latest, maybe even sooner. Promises, promises, promises... My first Dell too...

 

ordered on December 4, 2009 was told 3- 5 bus day.. yea right, here we are a full month later, i was told i would get it by Jan 6th thats tomorrow i still dont have a tracking # i doubt i will get it tomorrow.

 

I ordered online. I am from the US.

After reading a few replies, it looks like I am due to have another "updated" order status.

 

Honestly I can't speak for the core i7 Mobile, but my desktop i7 eats quad cores for breakfast. In reviews, the Studio 17 i7 has better cooling than the dual cores.

If you're gamer, you want bleeding edge for your dollar. Throttling or not, why buy into tech that is on it's way to the bottom of the pile by next year??

I'm pretty sure you'll regret buying a dual core before the year is out. (assuming performance is your number one goal)

The future is core i7/i5. If you are really that nervous about it and throttling, I'd suggest not buying anything right now.. wait 6 months and see how things are going.

130w PS for the Studio are all over the place, they are less than $50, get one, run throttlestop...and enjoy the fastest, prettiest Laptop around for anywhere close to the money.

 

Well, there is new gaming machine in town.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/asus-rog-g73jh-launches-with-core-i7-radeon-hd-5870-bragging-r/

Now, this is a beast due to ATI 5870.

Edit: Oh, and it has dual 500GB and 8GB of RAM. Oh, and we are talking GDDR5.... Wooh. Should be coming in sometime in February. I am willing to bet we'll see new ATI card (5750 or something) around that time in the Studio 17 as well.

 

Forget what I just said. Hold off on the Dell, if your a gamer.. THIS is the beasty!!!

 

I am starting to ponder how to a)Get refund for my Studio or b)Sell it on ebay. Will I do this? Probably not. Will I be jealous as hell of owners with that G73J? Hella yeah.

 

Looks expensive. I don't think that would really be a good comparison for the studio 17. I paid $1399 for my studio 17 with i7 q720, 1080 R+BG LED. I don't think that would buy me a G73J.

 

Before or after taxes?

 

Before. 1509 with tax + S&H.

 

Dell just canceled this order on me that I have been waiting for since November 26. They say there is no 1080p screen and no Blue Ray hardware

 

I'm going to wait for one of these new processors


ShareThis Intel's 2010 'Arrandale' Laptop CPUs: Core i5-540M Impressions
Nate Ralph, PC World

Jan 5, 2010 1:30 am

Intel has unveiled 11 new mobile processors for 2010 -- five Core i7s, four Core i5s, and two Core i3s. The chief difference between these processors and their predecessors is the brand new architecture, which couples the 32nm processor and a 45nm integrated graphics controller onto a single chip.

To see how the new chips stack up, we tested a pre-production notebook provided by Asus, the K42F. It carries the 2.53 GHz Core i5-540M processor, and sports a 14-inch display with a resolution of 1366-by-768. The unit also contained 4GB of DDR3-1066 RAM, a 500GB hard drive, and Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit).

For comparison, we also looked at the Samsung NP-Q320, which offers similar stats: 13.4-inch screen, a 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo P8700, 4GB of RAM, a 320GB hard drive, Windows Vista Home Premium (64 bit), and the nVidia GeForce G105M discrete graphics card with 256MB of RAM. While it's important to keep in mind that the Asus K42F is a pre-production model and results are subject to change, it performed amicably, scoring a 105 in the WorldBench 6 test suite. The Samsung scored a 96.

The Arrandale line's strengths lie in features borrowed from the 45nm Nehalem architecture -- namely Hyper-threading, and Turbo Boost technology. Hyper threading doubles the number of processor threads per CPU core, offering increased multi-tasking performance without the added power drain of a quad-core processor.

 

You know that these are going to be slower then the current quad-core i7, right?

On the subject of price for the Asus. It's about $1700, including shipping and most likely you won't have to pay tax (there will be a few places to choose from when buying). For $200 more compared to the Studio 17 pricing, you would get 2x disk space, 2x graphics speed, 2x RAM, better cooling and 1/3 battery life :_). Well, also throw in 2 year warranty, including 1 accidental.

 

That doesn't sound good at all

 

Yeah, looks like there are some serious shortages going on right now. Who knows what's going on. 1080p screen is very nice though.

 

http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jha1-p-2731.html?wconfigure=yes

Wow! This makes it a lot more likely that I will send my studio 17 back...Finally another option with the 820qm at a decent price with a nice screen.

 

Another beast that has been rumored is the Lenovo Thinkpad W701, with i7 (or i5) and a 17" 95% color gamut screen. Probably will be pricey though, pushing $3000?

Dell needs to get its act together on this Studio 17... if the announcements at CES are any indication, by the end of the month there's going to be a bunch of competitors rolling out i7/i5 laptops. Sony will probably have a nice alternative to Studio.

 

Here in the UK you can get the studio 1747 with the spec below and 1 year fix on site warranty for £740 with the 5% voucher codes available. I think this makes it $1182:

Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Mobile Processor (1.6GHz, turbo up to 2.8GHz, 6MB L3 Cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
4096MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [2x2048]
500GB (5400RPM) Serial ATA Hard Drive
17.3” High Definition+ (1600x900) LED with TL
1GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650
Fixed Internal DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive including Software
Primary 9-cell 85 WHr Lithium Ion battery
Dell Wireless 1397 Mini Card (802.11 b/g)

Do you think any of these new alternatives are going to come in at this price? I decided on the 1747 because of the obvious "bangs for buck" but was put off by the 7 beeps issue, sleep issue and throttling of the same processor on the XPS 1645. I want the best gaming machine I can get at this price but don't really want to have to use Throttlestop and a larger power supply because I'm not that knowledgeable about such things and worry about affecting the warranty on a brand new laptop. I'm hoping my screen choice and no backlit keyboard will keep the throttling to a minimum.

I'm trying to get the courage up to put my order in before the possible changeover in offers tonight. Dell seemed to have absorbed the Jan 1st VAT increase so far (an extra 2.5% purchase tax came in over here) but they might stick that on for starters. If you've seen my previous posts you will know I was hoping for some help in making up my mind on settling for the above specs rather than going for a p8700 2.53 GHz core 2 duo in an identical studio 17 or even an i7-720 studio 15 which comes in about £50 cheaper but has the HD4570 rather than the HD4650 graphics card. Any last minute advice gratefully accepted!

Thanks

 

My EDD was 01/11 ..ordered the I7 and 1080p screen...received my "order delayed" email this AM...

 

With all these i7 and 1080p screen Studio 17s being delayed, is there the possibility that they will cancel our orders completely?

 

Hi gunned

When is you order delayed until, according to Dell? If it's still inside of January, then maybe my original EDD of Feb 12 for my order will be pretty solid.

Thanks!
Rayt

 

:smile:

My EDD was 01/11 as well.The tech tried to move me to a 15".I want a 17" ,I'm going to wait and see if the CES has any effect on what Dell has to offer. He told me Dell was rolling out some new systems on the 7th of January.

All this bad talk about i7's has me spooked about spending my money.The problems with i7, are they random?

Apparently Dell will have some new product on line tomorrow,the sales rep made me feel there won't be anything in a 17 inch though .He keeps steering me towards a 15"

 

Hi Rayt, I will have yet to call them and the email was generic. I will have to call them when I have a spare hour or so. I will update once I get the info.
This may be a blessing in disguise and give us time to see if something comes in the way of a fix or a refresh of the Studio and XPS lines. I love the no further action part... cheers!!!



"We regret to inform you of a delay in your recent Dell order.
If your order has not shipped within 5 business days, we will provide you with an update. Otherwise, you will receive a notification when the order has shipped from our U.S. manufacturing facility.

No further action is required from you at this time.

We apologize for any inconvenience experienced due to this delay. If you have any questions about this order, please call us at 1-800-847-4096.

Thank you for choosing Dell."

 

thats it ....filed a BBB complaint and an FTC im done....F**ing around with them. I will also be contacting local media along with anyone that will listen.

 

This just shows imbecility of Dell's customer service. If they just kept notifying of delays promptly, it's much more likely people wouldn't be so pissed off at Dell. My guess is that they are having huge parts shortages due to Holiday sales and it will probably take couple months to get everything back in order, which is unfortunate.

 

As soon as I read this I thought to myself there is NO WAY DELL is getting to make this machine, at that price.

And by surprise I read your comments below.

I posted my theory a few pages back. DELL is deliberately. Banning the 1080p RGB LED screens from the Studio 17 line, so that If you want that you need to go for a Studio XPS 16, or if you want a ATI 4650 Graphics card are also being banned.

Pretty much all you can get on a Studio 17 is 900p LED (NO RGB) and a Core i7 CPU, which with throttling and using 45 watts sucks hard

I would much preffer a Core 2 Duo 35 Watt 2.8 Ghz

 

Ordered mine 12/05 and it was in production until today when I found out that they were having a 1080p rgb screen shortage and that they know about the power problem and that's why it was taking so long. Just canceled it. And I'm pissed off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All this waiting for nothing!!!!

 

They canceled it or did you cancel it? I ordered mine on 12/9.

 

Don't let yourself fool by tech and sales. Only trust hard evidence
On the support page of Dell the studio model numbers 1558 and 1749 showed up (probably indicating the arrandale fresh-up on 15 AND 17 inch).
The links are still dead (both for drivers and manuals), but that's the usual process at Dell....

The big question is when these new lappy's will be available... and if they will get the new ati 5000 series graphics!