Seems like I'm not the only one. Still living with my desktop, when I planned buying a laptop 5 months ago. Waited for the core i7, then throttling issues delayed everything to arrandale, and now I'm waiting for the Ati 56xx gpu...
I definitely need to make a decision soonCan't afford to wait much longer
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Seriously, by the time they ship my studio 17, the ati 5xxx series vid cards may be the standard. -
Hi guys since I'm not going to get the studio 1747 would you tell me what you think of this sony
* 16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) with NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M GPU (1GB VRAM)
* No Engraving
* Keyboard Backlight
* Standard Capacity Battery
* Norton Internet Security™ 2009 (30 Day Trial)
* 128GB (64GBx2) Solid State Drive with RAID technology
* Blu-ray Disc™ Read Only Drive
* None
* No Fresh Start™
* Black
* Microsoft® Works
* Microsoft Windows® 7 Home Premium
* 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3-SDRAM-1333
* None
* Intel® Core™ Quad i7-720QM processor (1.60GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 2.80GH
Estimated Ship Date 02/23/2010
For 1500 $ CAN with taxes the same what I was soppused to pay for the 1747
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However, it should run fairly cool, design is nice, battery life isn't bad, and overall it's a good system. -
thnaks I ll drop a thread on sony formus
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Btw, for guys who are waiting on their order with 1080p screen, got some bad news.
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19310587.aspx?PageIndex=15
Looks like that screen is EOL (end of life) for Studio 17. It would be interesting to find out why this is the case! Man, that Asus G73J is looking better and better (so does the Sony FW clogui is looking at, as well as Envy 15). -
"Agent (BE_PR2_Rep_Angie_Claire): "I'm afraid that option is no longer and may no longer be offered again,it is only available now as an option for xps 16"
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Also, I'm not taking one post on that forum from some guy who spoke to a dell rep as the gospel. They've given plenty of other excuses for the delays. I really don't think anyone really knows what is going on.
I'll take a wait and see approach for the next few weeks and see how it pans out. I kind of want to wait for laptops with the ATI 5xxx series gpu anyhow if this doesn't work out. -
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Bios A05 is out
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Hi ive loooked again in my order and look what I found !!!
i7 720QM 1.6GHz (2.8 GHz, 8MB Cache) ? It was not the same before. ::: I really start to hate dell every day things go worse and worse :/ -
Hmmm... I have mine listed the same way... i7 720QM with an 8MB cache instead of 6MB. Probably a typo on their part.
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Any news about the A05 bios?
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now i've got A05 here too
don't see any difference in fan behavior
3dmarks06 gives even 80 points less then with A04
i've got the 90w PS, but it seems people using the 130w PS (and most likely 900p screen) gets better results then with A04
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Thanks Deso for your post
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she ment the RGB screen is awailable only on the studios xps 16 not for the studio 17 !! -
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http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-aw-series
This is what glory the Studio 17 series use to be very comprable. Sad to see how DELL has castrated the Studio 17 series.
13 months ago I got for $1300
Core 2 Duo T9400 2.53Ghz 6M L2 cache 1066mhz FSB
4GB RAM 1066mhz
Bluray Drive
ATI 3650 graphics
Intel 5300 802.11N WiFi 3xantenna
Backlit keyboard
Finger print reader
Webcam
17" inch Triluminous RGB LED 1920x1200 display
320GB 7200rpm HDD
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Okay the new Asus G73 and N-series and the Sony F-series are a great deal. But most of the time it's on pre-order (well here in Europe at least).
Soon (let's hope, come on Ati) when the Ati mobility 5000 series are available, and screen manufacturers are producing at their old (higher) level, the new studio 17 will crush you're old studio 17.
It will have the i5, ati 5650, full hd (b+rg) screen.
In short, product and resource availability are low at the moment because of the recent aftershock of the crisis in Q4 2009 (lower demand than usual). So the final suppliers (Dell, HP, Asus,...) can't assure the wide availability latest technology. That's why the most wanted products are on pre-order, coming soon or in limited stock.
For the one's who like the long stories:
You have to keep in mind that most of the manufacturers are suffering now from the worldwide crisis. They've been surviving on their financial reserves and know their getting quit empty, demand has been low in Q4 2009. So what do you think manufacturing companies do? Reduce capacity, avoiding costly stocks laying around. So most of them switched from producing a bit more than demanded (but being able to provide instantly when it demand rises) to produce less than demanded (avoiding the extra holding costs of the surplus stock).
Now Q1 2010 demand has risen more than expected. Manufacturing companies have first waited cautiously that it's not a short term event. And then (now) they're producing more again.
So for every question/complaint that a product is not available yet or anymore, keep in mind that there's a lot behind the supplier. The availability of Dell's products doesn't only depend on Dell themselves, but on their suppliers, and the suppliers of their suppliers and so on...
Concerning the dell studio 17 (with ati 5650 and 1080 screen), all we can do is wait for it to come available or look for an available alternative (if there's one).
So please let's stop complaining it's not available or isn't as it used to be, when Dell probably can't do much about it themselves.
Though it's okay to ask questions why it's not available, just not okay to complain into the wild.
Or am I the only one who thought the purpose of forums is to find/give answers and share information and not endlessly complain about trivial things?
@Icecold: thank you for repeatedly telling us the studio 17 might be worse than it used to be (at the moment). But we got your
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I would welcome DELL crushing my old Studio 1737 with a new Studio 1767. But To this day, my Bluray Drive, CPU, and Intel 5300 802.11n and RGB Triluminous LED 1920x1200 crush the newest Studio 17 made as of today.
I would gladly welcome a Dual Core Core i5 32m or a Quade Core Core i7 at 32nm
But its a give and take I can configure a good Studio 17 with Core i7 or Core
i5 but then theres no way to Add ATI graphics or no way to add Intel 5300 Wifi
Why build a Studio 17 with DELL WiFi and Intel graphics. And all the Triluminous RGB LED screens are dedicated for the 17 inch Alienware and the 16 inch XPS Studio.
And I doubt they could source or buy the 15 inch RGB LED displays from LG, because Apple buys 100% of what LG makes, and LG can't make anymore.
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I agree with c-mattic here. Actually, only Asus G73j is better (video, CPU can be had faster on Dell Studio), and Asus LCDs on laptops are normally "meh". Sony F series is similar in specs, is lighter, but it has a smaller screen and only 1HD capability (yes, yes, you can take out the DVD-ROM, same in Dell for 3 HD then). So really, for similar spec laptop to the Studio that I got back in early December, there is still nothing available (nice 1080p screen, 4650 or higher video, decent battery life for the size, i7 q820 proc) for not an outrageous price (I'd take the new Alienware though
).
Personally, after reinstall, crashes have gone away, and now the thing is very fast with primary SSD drive and secondary original for storage. I don't have throttling issues since I bought 130W PSU (2 of them actually) and ThrottleStop. It's not a huge deal. I haven't tried the A05 yet, will soon. -
what the...
i never had any heat problems before A05, but now the laptop gets quite hot after a few hours.......
the heat at the palmrest and touchpad gets very annoying after a while... >_<
and i get nearly burned when touching the bottom of the laptop...
maybe the fan is more quiet now, but in my opinion it is VERY more important for the laptop to keep cool!!!!!
of course its not possible to downgrade the bios... thanks dell -.- -
1. There is NO such thing as "Quade Core Core i7 at 32nm ". Intel does NOT make it. How many times are you going to bring up this non-existent miracle product? You can get Studio with i5.
2. Apple does NOT have RGB LED displays on their MBP. They are normal LED, not RGB.
3. Alienware RGB screen is different from Studio 17 BG+R screen. It's different format with 16x10 at 1900x1200 vs 16x9 at 1920x1080. Reason for shortage, who knows, maybe Dell decided they don't want people buying cheaper Studio, or supply shortage or whatever.
4. Blu-Ray was available and will be available again. This got to be purely a sourcing issue.
5. Intel 5300n. Yes, it's better then Dell Wireless-N, but it's not a huge deal. You can get Intel 5100n.
6. As far as I know you just had 1900x1200 screen, but it wasn't RGB and I don't think it was even LED.
So, again, the Studio 17 i7 is faster, quicker, better, etc... then the 1737 Studio, excepting parts shortage. -
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maybe its just mine? just great.... >_>
does anyone else here have more heat at the palmrest with A05? -
c-matic, I came across this at the sony vaio F-series thread, want to bring it to your attention because of your interest for and expectations of the i5 series.
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I would love to see the RGB LED screen come back to the Studio 17's but its unlikely.
I just think its a matter of DELL waking up, how they were basically giving away Ultra Premium Upgrades as normal which still today are super high end like Bluray Drives/burner and RGB LED Triluminous displays. -
Still a 17" laptop remains a desktop replacement in my eyes. I won't move it that much, so battery life will rarely be that important. But it would have been nice anyway. So a bit disappointing news, but nothing terrible.
Let's face it, the day you really need something portable, you don't take a 17"Though some people I know always think otherwise, until they get it their hands
Can't wait until summer fall for the 2nd generation of arrandale either
Meh, the better performance, better igp and ati 5000 series are going to be enough to keep me happy for a good whileDon't have much reason to complain. Still thanks for the info, Guapper!!
Edit: I've stumbled on an article of legitreviews saying the opposite ( http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1169/15/). I have to admit their comparison is not totally correct (asus i5 vs hp p8700 laptop), but both those laptops have very similar specs.
As you see on the following graph. The i5 really wins in idle. When at full speed, it looks that both consume the same (mind that the i5 runs then a bit over 3Ghz thanks to turboboost, hence the difference of 4 watts). So i think the real power of arrandale is not in it's power per watt, but more in it's ability to underclock much better than the older core 2 duo and equivalents.
More reviewing is needed. But we might conclude that you could get more battery life with an arrandale when browsing lite web pages (no flash, e.g. youtube), word processing and other lite tasks, thanks to it's ability to underclock and in consquence consume less power. -
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Personally, I am going to wait till end-year or beginning 2011 when 32nm quad-cores or even 6-core procs will come out with new power optimizations as well as upgraded video cards and SSDs. I figure dual 256GB SSDs (well, maybe not) with whatever would be a decent video card and nice quad-core will be available for $2K or less in a year.
Edit: For now, my Studio 17 with i7 i820m, BG+R lcd, ATI 4650 and SSD 120GB/500GB vanilla 7200 RPM Seagate will be fine. Don't have any issues, it's good enough. -
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19279703.aspx?PageIndex=3
I have no idea where you got the idea that DELL never sold Studio 17's with RGB LED displays they must have sold thousands of them. Before realising what they were giving away for $1,300 a year ago people will pay $2,000 for today. Its clear they have eliminated choice for customers. -
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I'm not sure they tried to limit the options for customers. I'm more convinced that they hoped for a short-term drop in prices for rgb screens and that did not happen, or because of the crisis screen manufacturers changed strategy, producing much less high-end expensive (and less demanded) screens like the RGB led ones. In the end they make the most profit with stable widely used technology and not with brand new, like the RGB LED.
If you're familiar with the BCG-matrix you'll know that the ccfl screens are now becoming the dogs (dissapearing technology, former cash cows), the led screens are in the transition of stars to cash cows (most of the laptops are getting led screens today) and the RGB and (AM)OLED screens are question marks (they're still very expensive to produce, high r&d costs to repay, low demand especially because it's expensive).
Quite easy to understand that in crisis they probably have chosen for the in masses sold LED screens with low margin than the rarely (only to 'geeks') sold RGB screens with a high margin (because they have to repay r&d and production is still inefficient > high production costs) etc...
So like I said before, it's much more complicated than we usually think. If Dell knows they would sell all their RGB screens at a certain price, they probably would. But if they know their supplier can only assure a limited supply, you'll probably sell it short-term to get attention, but avoid that over time (long-term) everyone wants one and you can't supply them because your supplier can't follow...
But with worldwide production rising again and sales numbers getting at their old (high) level again, I hope new technology will back again be implemented in the market at a higher speed.
I'm even ready to bet that soon (in the next 3-6 months) there will be superior laptops to your studio 1737, maybe not from Dell, but there will be somewhere. Technology won't stand still. -
Anyone have an update on the motherboard issue with i7 720?
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It says they're still looking for the best solution (with the existing motherboard and 90 watt psu). Their engineers have probably been ordered to find the best balance between gpu and cpu with the 90 watts limit. In some countries the Bios version A05 was available and proved to give about that sweet balance. Off course, the 90 watts psu is still not enough to get everything out of the i7 processor.
And Dell knows that for sure. Hell they even give 150 watt and 240 watt psu for the alienware m15x and m17x respectively (in an i7 config).
The message is clear, the i7 is only made for high-end laptops with prices starting at 1500$, with high-efficient cooling and engineering.
Anything below that price, well they can't make you a laptop that good for the budget I'm afraid.
A bit like buying a regular car, but putting a monstrous motor inside. You don't have to be a mechanic to know that car won't hold the road, it isn't made to have such horse power. Same here.
I'm serious. Those who can still return, ask yourself the following question: do I really really need all that horsepower the i7 can give and will I use it?
Yes => l'm afraid you'll probably have to raise your budget and look elsewhere. The competition offers good alternatives nowadays
No => Return the ****** laptop while you still can and get something that doesn't have intergalactic speed, but just the speed you need. Core i5, even core i3 processors, will do perfectly for day-to-day tasking (= about more than 75% of the customers, rough guess). It might cost you less and at least it will work at 100% and you won't have paid for unusable (or not needed) power. -
btw, i can't return it anymore, and even if i could, i wouldn't
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c-mattic, unfortunately I can't return it. However, I am not experiencing throttling issues so I don't see a huge problem (thanks to unclewebb's ThrottleStop). I got couple 130W PSUs for $20 each, ThrottleStop was free (well, I donated to unclewebb), so what's the big deal? Studio 17 has actually decent enough cooling to handle the proc. I may go in later and put in copper shims and Arctic Silver (or whatever flavor of the day is) paste.
Edit: Btw, Sony FW series is not really that expensive with i7 quad core, and the upcoming Asus G73j is very well priced for the specs. -
As for my rough price guess, kinda forgot things are less expensive outside Europe(damn taxes
). Better put things in Euro and not Dollars next time
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I was using the new Dell Studio 15 at Best Buy today with Core i5 And Intel HD graphics.
I downloaded CPUZ and it was runnning at 2.53Ghz I went to Avatar.com and threw the Amazing AVATAR Trailer in 1080p at it and it never fliched Pretty nice machine. 32nm Core i5 =YES -
For Studio 17, there is an issue with "7 beeps of death" when machine is not bootable. Supposedly that can be fixed by resetting CMOS battery, but people have had motherboards changed out when fix did not work. Then there were a few folks with bad 1600 x 900 screens, where they had to ship systems back.
The biggest issue is throttling of the i7 CPU when laptop is performing tasks that utilize both GPU and CPU heavily (i.e. gaming, 1080p blu-ray quality video, video rendering, and running benchmarks). This issue is pretty much resolved by spending $20-30 on ebay/dell for 130W or higher PSU and using utility ThrottleStop (from XPS 1645 forums).
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That said, all of this does not excuse Dell. Considering that most Dell systems are experiencing throttling (check Latitude and Precision forums), I don't see the issue being fixed by Dell. IMO, best similar hardware right now is Asus G73j (eta March), Envy 15, XPS 1645 (stil throttles) or Sony F series with i7. -
Yeah I totally agree with you oblomschik, I have already returned my laptop after getting the infamous seven beeps of death.
I would buy it again and get a bigger power supply unit as well as putting in that program, my only concern is voiding the warranty. If I get the extra three years with complete care the system actually ends up costing me the same price as most people paid.
Also I don't know how much I trust a program someone made up (again for the sake of the warranty.) I don't understand why Dell doesn't support you in basically upgrading your system to operate at it's full potential with out being throttled (which is why most people buy an i7 I assume.)
Makes me upset because the Studio 17 is a great machine, even if you find the same specs on an other laptop it simply doesn't look as good! -
The absense of a oficial statement might be because the mainboard components were designed to work with a load of max. 90W. Using more than this structurally could lead to failure of certain components on the mainboard, especially the power supply.
They can keep an eye closed and still give warranty in cases even where it's obvious the hardware gave way because of an electronic overload, but if they make this official, it may just blow in their face in say 6 months in case the hardware can't handle more than 90W over a prolonged period. -
my favorite thing is how DELL has been absolutely silent about the massive problems and design flaw on the Studio 17 with Core i7.
And how it was the Community here on these forums and others that figured out what was wrong
Then How does DELL legally get away with instead of fixing the problem No they SELL you a $150 new 130Watt Power supply
Its like they desined they flaw on purpose in order to sell more power supplies.
I would have personally sued by now.
I have yet to see anythin official from DELL even saying We are investigating nothing.
Has DELL said ANYTHING about the problems??? At All?? -
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Still they haven't publicized an official solution. Everything keeps being communicated low-profile on the Dell community. I think they're waiting for their engineers to come with a solid solution that pleases most customers and doesn't go totally out of budget either.
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Just want to thank everyone here for all the great info and insight into what i thought was a great machine. My first delivery date was 1.25.10 it then went into n/a. it finally changed from n/a to 1.27.10 - at 3am i got an email stating it had been changed to 2.2.10. I started having doubts about this thing after all the reading i did here. Here is my config.
1 224-7349 Studio 17 Laptop $1800.41
1 317-2448 Intel Core i7 720QM 1.6GHz (2.8 GHz Turbo Mode, 6MB Cache) $0.00
1 317-2713 6GB, DDR3, 1066MHz, 2 DIMM $0.00
1 330-4433 Backlit Keyboard $0.00
1 320-0828 17.3 inch HD+ (900p) Bright LED Display with TrueLife and Camera $0.00
1 421-0161 Facial Recognition Software Application version 2.4 Compact Diskette $0.00
1 421-1009 Dell Webcam Software 1.4 Application Kit $0.00
1 330-5790 ATI MOBILITY RADEON HD 4650 1GB $0.00
1 341-9983 500G 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive $0.00
1 313-8044 Black Chainlink $0.00
1 421-1365 Genuine Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit, English $0.00
1 420-7938 Dell Connect 2.1 $0.00
1 421-0187 Dell Support Center Software 64 Bit 2.0 $0.00
1 420-6576 DELL WELCOME,Software Dimension/Inspiron $0.00
1 420-6436 PC-Restore, Dim/Insp $0.00
1 421-0323 Windows Live Search,Multiple User Interface $0.00
1 330-6222 Windows 7 Label $0.00
1 330-6363 DELL RESOURCE DVD,BACK-UP,1747 $0.00
1 421-0092 DELL-DOWNLOAD-FLAG $0.00
1 410-1883 ADOBE READER 9.0 MULTI- LANGUAGE $0.00
1 421-1362 Dell Software,Roxio 1.0 $0.00
1 421-1583 Cyberlink Power DVD 8.3 Blu-Ray Disk Playback $0.00
1 313-8871 6X Slot Load Bluray (BD) Combo Drive (BD Read Only) $0.00
1 313-4783 Integrated High Definition Audio 2.2 $0.00
1 430-0701 Dell Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini Card $0.00
1 420-9100 Dell Dock Consumer $0.00
1 410-2185 McAfee Sapphire MUI, 15-Month $0.00
1 312-0949 85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery $0.00
1 412-1397 No Productivity Software requested $0.00
1 903-6278 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus Service, Extended Year(s) $0.00
1 903-6407 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus Service, Initial Year $0.00
1 904-0502 Mail-in Service after Remote Diagnosis , 2 Year Extended $0.00
1 904-5690 Mail-in Service after Remote Diagnosis , Initial Year $0.00
1 950-5442 Warranty Support,2 Year Extended $0.00
1 960-2780 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty 7X24 Technical Support, Initial Year $0.00
1 330-4532 No Mobile Broadband Card selected $.00
1 430-0735 Dell Wireless 365 Bluetooth Module (2.1) $18.59
Sub-Total : $1819.00
Shipping : $37.99
Tax : $118.23
Order Total : $1975.22
and here is my email from Dell -
Your order has been delayed again and we need your permission today to continue
processing your order or it will be automatically canceled
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I can't find a better machine for the price but I won't be calling - too many problems. I am a developer and I need a strong machine to run vmware. I thought about going to the Alienware but I travel all the time and 12lbs is just too much to lug around. Really hope they get this straight soon, I think it is a sweet machine and I'll give another chance in a month or two -
Yeah I am stuck in the same boat, I just can't find another laptop with these specs as well as a 3 year complete care warranty for $1,600. As I mentioned many times before I can also not find a laptop that is as nice and has all the little luxuries I want like a backlit keyboard and slot drive, the new design is also a huge win it just all makes for a pleasant laptop. Hopefully given time they will address the issues with solutions.
New Dell Studio 17 announced (Studio 1745/47)
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