1080 Ti Unveiled

We can't assume price drops. Notebooks prices aren't affected until there are new notebook gpus. Aren't any right now.

Yeah it's higher performing when sli works. But DX12 for the most part has terrible sli implementations. My 980 Tis work great still on older games, but BF1 is one of the few newer games that sli is working well on and it's mostly because it has DX11 mode.

I can't really see this happening without a reason for things to switch back to modular. "Crippled filth" barely makes sense. Each generation of soldered parts is improving in performance to where the main argument now is upgrading/repairing machines.

I could only see some sort of modular laptop where everything is change-able easily giving modular a large mainstream comeback. Otherwise companies have literally almost 0 incentive to switch to modular as it's more expensive. Even if nearly everyone you've ever spoke to only owned LGA it would barely impact these companies.

Hey if it makes you feel better even though you say it's all our fault, there is almost nothing we could have done. The entire population would need to have known the difference from the get go and refused to purchase them several years ago when HQs became common. Considering the entire population as a whole shares... Almost nothing as general knowledge it wasn't gonna happen.

Edit: to be clear I would love modular to make a comeback or have a laptop like I described above that'd be awesome.

 

Probably the single most important reason for AMD to be successful. NVIDIA's monopoly enslaves us all and the financial implications for us are severe. Everything the Green Goblin sells is overpriced. It is nice to see such an abnormally low price tag on 1080Ti, but it's not for our benefit. It is a strategic maneuver to harm AMD and protect their monopoly.

There are really awesome discussions. It's cool when people actually use their brains instead of being goo-goo-gah-gah about new tech.

We need to have a hard reset on that mentality as well. As long as people live in a helpless world like that, things will remain hopeless. This "resistance is futile" point of view is deadly and it's how we get ourselves into messes like what we have now.

DX12 is an API for losers and Kool-Aid drinkers and we need to start working on building a culture of hate for it as well. We need to pull together to cause severe harm to Micro$loth and their digi-Nazi filth. With Vulkan there is no longer any compelling reason for gamers to support DirectX. We need to boycott their proprietary fanboi API completely and everyone move to a platform Micro$loth cannot manipulate for selfish reasons. If we cannot do this we can expect a similarly dismal future as the BGA filth on the hardware side of things. On either one of these things we are NOT powerless to effect change and manipulate the manipulators. Our wallets are the keys to the annihilation of their dictatorship empires. All it requires is a commitment to say no to trash and resolve to let our contempt for it be an overriding core guiding principle in everything we say and do. We can turn the tables and own them, instead of them owning us. @D2 Ultima

It is improving only because people are drinking the BGA Kool-Aid, and the improvements are coming very slowly. Even still, they are crippled severely. The upgrading/repairing argument all by itself should be a good enough reason to hate on BGA. And, it actually is good enough for the people that are smart enough think beyond today.

 

Pretty sure Vulkan also needs to devs to implement multi gpu, Doom does it well, but not sure about others so far.

The "resistance is futile" mentality I have in this case is more because it's not something worth fighting for. If I could get the U.S. informed on a topic, unfortunately I can't in good conscience put laptops on the top of that list... We have a lot of... Other more pressing issues atm...

Plus most people don't even know what a hard drive is, not to mention a cpu or gpu. I was teaching people about technology a few months ago and they're all scared of the terms and what they mean. It's just magic to them.

Communities like this used to get me all motivated about this argument, but once you leave NBR even over at LTT no one has correct info or knows what the hell they're talking about.

LGA needs a good speaking ground, but all the large tech youtubers aren't going to mention it as it would hurt their standings with companies, and since it's literally their livelihood I do understand their reluctance.

And despite your denials of it you can't get change things on your end without changing your syntax. I like LGA despite you not because of you no offense. From the outside your constant analogies to nazis, filth, trash, and "destruction of empires" makes you read like a conspiracy theorist. I know you're right, but I don't blame people who are new at this for being put off by your group.

I've said this before, but to change the game you've got to play it. If you wanna sell people on something, sell it to them, dont scare them.

 

Eg- Linus media group?

 

Sometimes the only way to get people to pull their heads out is to scare them. Like slapping a baby's butt to get it to gasp its first breath and avoid suffocation. Consumers (including a lot of gamers) are like ignorant babies and will asphyxiate themselves with no knowledge or understanding of what is going to kill them. We all need to be slapping baby butts on a daily basis. For those of us that know the right thing to not do it is sinful.

 

Some say Intel and Nvidia are shaken. But AMD is under double fire. How long is it before they will lose again? Intel and Nvidia will do all the rotten game to recover lost market share. We already see it!! We customers will again bleed. History is notoriously a recurring theme. And forget competition in the laptop hardware industry!! It's another ballgame. People shouldn't expect cheaper notebooks with high end parts due "so called" competition!! Game over!!

 

You don't get good troops by making them afraid. You can only become the U.S. president by doing that.

Seriously though, there are better tactics than fear for this.

 

but will this be released for laptops or only desktops?

 

Well, good luck with that approach. A troop that lacks the basic intelligence to know when all that they hold dear is in danger of destruction needs to be afraid. Otherwise, they will be led like lambs to slaughter. Fear has a purpose, just as other emotions do. They were given to us for good reasons.

When people don't pay attention, lack capacity for reason, or don't think they need to care, then you have no alternative but to try something else. When Plan A doesn't work giving up should not be an option... Plan B comes next. We're working on Plan B now because Plan A was not effective. That applies to everything and it has to. It even works for replacing ineffective governments with something that stands a better chance for success, as you noted. You cannot keep doing the same thing, failing repeatedly doing the same thing, and expect a different outcome. That is the classic definition of insanity.

 

... Couldn't you say you've been doing the same approach and it still isn't working by that same argument? You've been calling it lots of names for a while now... When is it time for the next plan?

Idk I just, I help a lot of people with laptop buying in person. I don't think it would help if I spoke about BGA the way you did. Sure, they'd be scared, but they'd also be less likely to come back to me as it's too off-putting from what they hear elsewhere. Your other main issue is probably 95%+ percent of people don't want a brick. No matter how much you scream and shout, people aren't going to all buy 16L13s. It's just way too thick to be reasonable. Literally why I don't have one. I need battery life and portability, P650 easily thrashes it and performs with a 1070 vs 1070 within a couple percent.

 

@Phoenix
What's the minimum requirement for viewing your profile?
Or it can be viewed by a Mod only?

 

Some sort of error, I can never see it either. Phoenix says he doesn't have anything blocking it on his end.

 

One thing that puzzles me about AMD and causes me to wonder if they are playing with a full deck is their strategy with Ryzen. Sure, having a decent AMD CPU for a change would be nice. God knows it feels like forever since they were relevant in CPU space, but I think it would have made more sense for them to attack NVIDIA first. We need competition both places, but they lack the financial power to launch an effective attack in both places. If they released a flagship GeForce killing GPU that overclocked like a banshee on acid, most NVIDIA fanboys would convert. At least the smart ones would. Seems like that would have been the easier battle, but maybe I am wrong. I still don't look at running an AMD CPU with an NVIDIA GPU to be a nice option. I think that idea sucks.

 

There is no minimum bro. I disabled PMs but I don't know why you can't see my profile

@Charles P. Jefferies do you know why he can't my see my profile boss?

 

No, I think it actually is working. BGA hate is building among enthusiasts and gamers. It shows by things people say. I have noticed more expressions of regrets over purchasing BGA garbage. But, it takes time to turn a ship and not everyone can be saved. If anyone is ever encouraged to settle for BGA filth, then really horrible advice is working against us as an enemy within our ranks. If being abnormally thin and light matters more than overall quality, performance and serviceability, we are dealing with an internal monster of the worst kind. We do not need everyone to buy a P870 or a Tornado F5. What we need is intelligent people to do what is necessary and develop a culture of hate for BGA garbage in high performance notebooks. Yes, BGA has a place, and it needs to be forced back into that place and held there by whatever force is necessary to keep it there. When enough people wise up and say no, it will be felt by Intel and they will pay attention to financial pain. In fact, that's probably the only thing they will pay attention to, same for NVIDIA. Both of those companies have shown us they lack integrity, so we play the game at their level.

 

Not entirely true. AMD needs to get it's foothold back in the market, before going for all the players.
Going for the CPU market first is a much better choice because people are already wary of AMD GPUs. The console market is the only thing that has been keeping them alive so far.
They go for GPU juggernaut right now and make a.mistake, that will be suicide. Specially because people still haven't caught up to the fact that AMD drivers at this moment are actually more stable than NVIDIAs. And that will not gain them as much traction as the CPU market will. Because when assembling a workstation / high end rig, most people actually prefer to invest in a better processor than a GPU, which is most of the time upgraded much easily at a later point in time.

 

Yeah, I mostly agree with you, bro. What made me question AMD's approach is the appearance that most short-sighted gimme now gamer kiddos that really don't know much seem to care more about GPU than CPU. They replace the entire smart phone notebook rather than simply upgrade it, and this brain cancer could easily spread to desktops if it's not killed before it metastasizes. The people that purchase or build truly high end business or pleasure rigs are (supposedly) a tiny minority, or at least that is the mantra I keep hearing chanted. But, I cannot deny that it is nice to see so much enthusiasm about CPU performance with Ryzen. This is encouraging and seems to prove that there is still some intelligent life left out there. Let's hope the same holds true on the notebook side of things and the demand for socket-mounted AMD laptops is made a condition for their success. I'd hate to have to wish for abject failure to befall them on mobile.

 

Be glad you bought the MSI GT73VR 7RF TITAN PRO-425 when you did...as of today the price went up $200 due to the worldwide increase in SSD prices.
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Lol
70% of people thought that prices would go down but this

 

There was mention of new high performance memory sku's to be released to AIB partners for the 1060 / (1070) / 1080:

1080ti 11gbits/sec
1080 10->11 gbits/sec OC sku's, memory OC only?
1070 8 gbits/sec no mention of memory OC sku's
1060 8->9 gbits/sec OC sku's, memory OC only?

It seems odd that the 1070 @ 8 gbits/sec wouldn't also get a bump to 9 gbits/sec - or even 11gbs/sec, maybe it will.

A small VRAM only refresh for Pascal - or will the OC sku's also increase other specifications?

IDK how Nvidia will differentiate the naming of the slower VRAM vs higher speed VRAM boards. Maybe the price increase for the GT73VR includes the faster VRAM?

I wonder what the Notebook makers will do with these faster memory sku's, maybe they will show up in their own model refreshes soon.

 

They could always fall back to the GT versus GTX naming convention for the slower memory GPUs.

 

Didn't the GT => GTX models usually have other specifications bumped up too?

I wonder if the Pascal refresh OC sku's will include other spec's OC'd as well, or if it's only going to be bump's in VRAM speed.

I would be surprised if the vendors didn't differentiate the new OC Sku's with more performance and/or feature improvements.

 

Yes, the GT models were generally the low-budget junk, but I think the naming convention could still be used effectively to tag the lesser versions of 1070 or 1080. That would also be consistent with the way they have used the GT branding for their less capable products. If they are only going to make them differ in memory speeds that could work. If they start making more than two variations of 1070 and 1080, it might not work great. They could also do something new yet simple, like add an "E" for economy (low-budget)... 1070e or 1080e or GT-E 1070/1080 as an example. Unless there is a truly significant difference in price, I don't know why anyone would even consider buying the cheaper but slower option.

 

Or they could just discontinue it till stocks are empty then sell these new ones as the 2017's edition

 

That's an even better idea. It also goes along with the thought that nobody (or most) would never want the slower version unless the price is a whole lot less, in which case some might prefer to settle for less. But, those people could also opt to settle for a 1060 GPU.

 

How long is it expected until AIB 1080 Tis become available? Do you remember for the 1080?

It's almost worth just getting the reference ones because blowers are pretty decent for sli... Almost.

 

That price point...wow.
Also, if the numbers play out in independent benchmarks, I'm getting one.

 

I'm skeptical about that but it would be cool if true.

 

Based on the given specs there isn't too much room for crazy surprises. Can't be exact, but should be within a few percent of a stock Titan XP and should OC above a stock Titan XP. Unless there is some like memory issue or something.

Also skeptical, but can't think of much else that thing could have had inside that they couldn't name the gpus this January. Would they really have had Volta chips in Jan 2017? Consumer ones are like a year away still.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution..Lol and i was actually going to reach out to you and ask about this only! I was looking to make some changes to the config but there it i see the stock build is coming out expensive by $200. You are right, I am really glad.

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No, I am sorry but not sure on the estimated timeline. I did not pay that much attention before since I do not own any desktops.

 

ASUS tweeted about having a Strix ready today and EVGA has been saying they're prepped for an upcoming nVidia card since late January

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EVGA is the only one I'm paying attention to. Their customer service is like the HID of gpus. So far above the rest it's ridiculous. Really not a good reason to go for another brand. I'd take a percent or two slower even to keep EVGA support.

 

The twitch stream video playback for the Nvidia 1080ti reveal looks clean:
http://www.ustream.tv/NVIDIA?utm_so...dium=visit-channel&utm_campaign=notifications

1080ti reveal starts at 19:30

 

Clean?

 

Not a stutter-fest, pixel blocked rendering, broken audio, jumps and skips between frames... like in the Youtube playback (maybe it's fixed?), and the original stream.

Clean = Smooth normal playback

 

Oh oh. Yeah I would expect it to be. Livestream was awful.

 

The part we didn't expect was the recorded playback of both twitch and youtube were just as bad if not worse than what I saw during the live streams, at least the twitch recording is now clean - watching it now

 

https://twitter.com/ASUS_ROG/status/836984632440672260

Looks good. I wonder how much more they will charge than the MSRP.

"Rise as One"? Ryzen?

 

Ok cool, but forget about the irrelevant companies what about EVGA, MSI, and Gigabyte?

 

None of them have tweeted about their card.

 

I told you about laptops vs. desktops and prices in previous quotes. You can't compare those two!!

Edit: Regarding the change with faster vRam for at least 1080/1070... Maybe we can see a hidden reason. It will take longer time before we can see new models from Nvidia. They buy them more time. They wait for AMD!! Hope you all understand what I meant

 

Yup, that's the Pascal Refresh, new OC sku's, a new top end card, and it's another 6 months countdown to the next Nvidia release.

It's probably why Nvidia stretched out the announcement and delivery of the 1080ti even though it was ready months ago. Nvidia needed to have some mid-cycle bump bigger than just VRAM, adding in the 1080ti gives it more umph!

 

Almost certainly not Volta, but my money is on either straight 1080s and the seller is that they managed to cool them properly in such a thin system, or they managed to get that extra 2% of the performance between the mobile and desktop chips and are calling it something else.

Note, I don't have a lot of money and we didn't shake on it so you're not getting paid if it's actually a TI.

 

Just why wouldn't they say that then? 1080s aren't unrevealed like they said.

 

I think the last time Nvidia did a "Ti" derived notebook card was the GeForce 4 4200 Go, which was very similar to the desktop "Ti" class card of the same number.

Should there be a GTX 1080 Ti in the mobile space - and I've heard nothing about it, not that I get much in the way of news, Nvidia tends to keep a very tight lid on info like that - I would be skeptical of any vendor offering the card in an existing notebook that didn't have changes to its thermal design, unless the existing design was already adequate (doubtful, given the current crop of gaming notebooks). Notebook thermal solutions are typically designed with little overhead, e.g. just powerful enough to handle the components they were designed around. This is for cost reasons, but can in tandem be due to the market demand for thin/light devices. If you introduce a more powerful part into the mix, the thermal solution will likely no longer be adequate. Not many gaming notebooks manage to keep a GTX 1080 under 80 deg. C as it is.

Maybe some of the desktop replacement Clevos and MSIs would have sufficient room inside the chassis for more powerful thermals. Maybe.

Charles

 

Exactly my thoughts. OEM's put in only a small headroom for slightly deteriorated temperature (dust inside and thermal paste deterioration), but not much more. And they try the whole time to make the notebooks thinnest possible!! And Nvidia will not come out with too much info. All correct!!

 

Or that liquid cooled ASUS that comes in a suitcase.

 

See also http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xps-15-9560-owners-thread.800611/page-68#post-10473657
And more expensive the more hardware your pc contain. This price galore will always follow valuta changes.

 

Thanks @Papusan. As donald said i should be glad and i am. It shows how different notebook and desktop hardware like you all mentioned. Feel enlightened about the pricing of notebook vs desktop.

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