*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Those Corsair 3600 Mhz ran like some Thunderbird's when it came to over clocking them.

 

Well, at least you can get the 4000 sticks in black now. https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236489

 

That didn't take long...
EK WATER BLOCKS FOR REFERENCE DESIGN NVIDIA RTX 30 SERIES GRAPHICS CARDS ARE NOW AVAILABLE!

 

Hardware Unboxed discussing DLSS and RT performance, for those that want those features.

 

Once you move to water you'll never want to deal with air cooling ever again. You should dip your toe in. I think you'll be instantly hooked. Besides working better for most purposes, if you're the type that likes quiet, a good cooling loop is generally a lot less noise. Just don't go cheap. No need to buy overpriced fluff, but a superior water block and pump and decent radiator are crucial. If you choose to go the AIO route, being selective about brand is probably more relevant to achieving good results.

 

Looks like the 3080 20gb rumors turned out to be true
https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-confirms-geforce-rtx-3060-8gb-rtx-3070-16gb-and-rtx-3080-20gb

 

Maybe for my next system once the 6700K starts annoying me, but not much point with my current system as with this upgrade I'm just wanting to slap in a new video card, and my air cooler on my CPU is not noisy. Whatever CPU I'll go with next I'll have to think what kind of overclocked wattage we're talking and if it needs water cooling, but chances are that with anything 9900K or 10900K then that's better with water to overclock all cores to a good level.

 

Yes, but can it run Crysis! LOL


The answer is NO! LOL
Still one of my favorite games along with the GTA series

 

If I had no plans to move my PC at all then water would be my route, but since I cant guarantee it I prefer air for my uses, keeps things simpler.

My NH-D15 cools my CPU quite well, cant take it further with any reasonable level of voltage (running 1.48)

 

AIO water is the way to go then.

 

Arghh, all places I've looked so far in the UK the prices have increased for 3080 since yesterday, the £649 are no longer available (well they weren't available to buy anyway yesterday for me!), and now they're all £700 minimum with pre-order. I think that's kinda disgusting, I was on the edge about spending £649, but £700 that makes me feel bad, and I don't like what seems to have been the £649 short term ruse. Hmm, not happy about that....will see what happens as availability ramps up.

 

Ours ranged from $699.99 to $769.99. So we shall also see what happens on the next batch.

 

Often times we just need to swap the pound sign with the dollar sign, seems about right when it comes to PC gear in the past. Although it should be £525 - 591 based on just the exchange rate, we're getting a little worse deal than you guys!

 

Yes, that is rather unfortunate, but seems to be the general consensus with consumer products of late.

 

Used to need that but the Tu150 lets me have the big coolers in a petite case

 

In fact, I went with the Swiftech MPC50X because it is a magnetic impeller instead of the others. One got clogged and died because of dye, but after that and no longer using dyes, a single one of those has been able to handle 3x480mm rads, CPU block, VRM blocks, and a GPU block. Head pressure on it is amazing. Sure, the D5 can push that water at faster rates (Gallons per Minute; GPM), but the DDC is pushing more head pressure (read the amount that the pump can rise water in a column). Plus, that is $70, no extra pump top (so simplifies it for noobs), and you can just use two male to males and an extender to throw on most types of reservoirs (or use their cheap plexi one that you can get on sale if you buy both the pump and the res together for closer to $92 at Performance PCs; although that may have been due to a sales event).

Brings me to another point for noobs (not you, obviously, just building on what you said), always wait for a holiday. Every holiday, you can get 12-15% off at performance PCs.

So, for $80-140, you can get a good radiator, for $90-120 you get a decent pump (D5 PWM can be found at $70, but you need a pump top for it, and mount). Then, for $70, you could pick up the XSPC Raystorm Pro, which uses the same core design as the XSPC Raystorm Neo line. That is a low restriction block. The high restriction, but high quality Optimus blocks are $200, but it depends if you are doing a high or low restriction loop. I go low restriction and more GPM, but either way can get you to what you want.

So, for $270-350, you can have a pretty nice custom loop. Add another $100-150 for a GPU block. Buy compression fittings on sale (like an 8 pack for $35). If you do it right, you have a water loop that will last you longer and outperform anything else.

Side note: @Mr. Fox - I just picked up 5 pairs of QD3s with compression fittings built in. I had 3 EK-QDCs, but they ran out at performance PCs. But, because the purchase didn't go through (the payment did and they bounced it back because the order wasn't in the system), they hooked me up with a couple extra percent off. So I bought the Koolance QD3. First impression, I LOVE the build quality. More to come on that after I get that loop built.

Yeah, if you can make it until then, Zen 4 and Intel's CPU after Alder Lake may really be the step up you are looking for. If you cannot wait, then you can look at the Coffee Time BIOS mod to add support to your Z170 board and pick up a cheap 9900K after Zen 3 drops (and possibly after Rocket drops, depending on time line). Then it is simply bridging one pad to ground and insulating some pads and you have a 9900K running on your Z170 platform. That could hold you off for awhile (like until Intel gets to 7nm in 2023, considering the age of the 6700K, or after Zen 4 or Zen 5 drop).

 

Hey guys, I'd love to hear some of your recommendations for the best memory kit for my X299 / 7980XE platform. I've just come in to some funds through college, to get a really good memory kit. I am 100% sick of the BSODS with my current matching but mixed Samsung/ Hynix set..my PC is unstable, and I am getting random memory errors. This is greatly interrupting my work flow.

I have a budget of around $300-$400 for 4X8GB DDR4.

Is it a waste to get any more than the Corsair 4000Mhz 19-23-23 Samsung-B die sticks? As @Mr. Fox achieved nothing but greatness with those things. I am not as skilled in memory overclocking, so that is something to keep in mind.

 

Just get these. They seem pretty stable thus far.
129.99 a set
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KXLFDL6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Thanks for those specific recommendations, when it comes to the point I'll research Coffee Time BIOS mod or explore new overall systems/CPUs. I think one problem with 9900K on my motherboard, if it runs at continuous 130W CPU load in the Summer then I get thermal throttling of the VRM's on the motherboard (in HWInfo IA VR Thermal Alert & RING VR Thermal Alert), so I think I'd have to repad those areas or something to improve the cooling....when I first had the motherboard it would run 140W+ all day so something has deteriorated.

When is Zen 3 & Zen 4 launching (roughly), and you're suggesting the Intel CPU after Alder Lake, when would that Intel CPU you're suggesting be launching?

 

Timeline:
Oct. 8 - Zen 3 launch event
2021 - Intel Rocket (likely Q1); Intel Alder Lake (likely Q3 or Q4)
AMD Zen 3 Refresh, code name Warhol (likely AM5 platform Zen 3)
2022 - AMD Zen 4 (do not know what time of year)
Intel Alder Lake successor (might be pushed to 2023 to get it on Intel 7nm, which was pushed 6 months and is 12 months behind on yields)

Intel may also just have another design on 10nm. Do not know. Rocket is Willow Cove backport to 14nm, Alder Lake is Golden, meaning the successor is likely Ocean Cove.

Edit: source on Warhol-
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-2021-2022-roadmap-partially-leaks



Reason the refresh is assumed is Warhol is during 2021. If the leaked roadmap is true, then we will not see Zen 4 until 2022 (but with graphics integrated)...

 

Maybe wait with the purchase until you see used 3080@10GB cards. Many will swap once they see Nvidia screwed them.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-whopping-margin.833406/page-18#post-11047146

 

Oh snap, I totally missed this as i was out the room when it flashed across the screen.

 

Check out this post in another thread re 3080 availability:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-249#post-11047047
Looks like Oct/Nov is most likely time frame for being able to buy a 3080 for most people.

Thanks for that detailed post with the known & expected timelines, I'll save that post for future reference. My 6700K won't last till 2022 I imagine, but I can see it lasting all of next year potentially.

Ha, true, in terms of could well be some 2nd hand cards on the market when the new 20GB versions launch....I'm thinking 10GB would be fine for me for 1080p for 4 years, so I'm thinking that the 20GB wouldn't be relevant for me....hence yes getting a 2nd hand 3080 10GB at that point. I'll see how it pans out over the next weeks with availability / price / reviews in terms of buying a new 3080.

 

Hey, do you know of any 64GB Samsung Bdie sets in 4x16GB or that doesn’t exist right?? I’m willing to spend a little more for the right set. I do appreciate the help.

 

Quite a few of the G.Skill Trident Z kits are B-die and 16GB

 

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

Database updated early september 2020. Full list of verified B-Die kits at hardwareluxx.de.

 

That was where I got my info at.

 

Am I being wasteful if I buy the G.Skill Royal 4000Mhz 15-16-16-36 kit?

For some reason I like the silver ones. But they are $400 dollars.

 

Now that depends on you.... If you want it, get it. If you need it, get it. If you are just trying to keep up with the jones's, then don't get it. Although those kits are really nice though.
Here are the Pat's kicking in at 4700 Mhz

 

Look at that mirror!

Unfortunately, I'm waiting on my optical flats to be delivered and have not picked out my indicator yet to check flatness and parallelism.

 

You should use your face

 

No one wants to see this mountain man mug!

 

Nvidia try everything they can to destroy the fun. You pay a lot of cash for hardware that someone else think they still own... What next?

Tweaking
We fired of several tweaking scenarios at the card; the Ampere GPU is difficult to tweak. Much like we have seen with other cards, the tweaks on the clock frequency and memory stick, and run fine, but the performance just was lower. New safety protection is active on memory. A +1000 Mhz would work, but result in poor performance yet reveal no stability issues. Ergo +500 as max currently is what I'd recommend on the RTX 3080 cards (but this will also differ per caird and brand). Of course, increase the power limiter to the max so your GPU gets more energy budget, and then the GPU clock can be increased anywhere from +25 to +75MHz, but here again, that will vary per board, brand and even card (ASIC quality).
GALAX GeForce RTX 3080 SG review - Final words and conclusion guru3d.com

 

What I noticed was that some of the temps were in the 50s and 60s when the cards were capped out on core. That means the power limits must come off to do ANYTHING at all. Even then, I question how much further it will go considering it is stopping before that while running cool. I think that was the temps I was seeing on some custom cards (may have been full speed triple fans). Water might help some.

Either way, GN is doing some LN2 3080 OCs this weekend with a modded BIOS and may have the card soldered by then. If they have both, we'll be fast approaching the near limits of the card in the early days of release (of course refined BIOSes, etc. will pick up more points, but to this point, that is the best case to get some of the best scores).

 

Hey, That looks like an 8700K!

I borrowed @Mr. Fox delid tool for my 7980XE, and it’ll be here tomorrow. So, I might be able to get the whole family in my DIE shot! Lol.

 

Nope.

Spoiler

 

SLI is officially dead. So, I'll be waiting in the wings for one K|NGP|N 3090, hopefully with a Hydro Copper block near its launch. No more two months after...

Truth be told fellas, this is the first time in a long time, that I am not impressed with anything coming out in PC tech. HEDT from Intel appears dead. HEDT from AMD is good for overall computing but got boring for overclocking after awhile (unless you are really into memory overclocking). Possibly time for me to stop?

 

I feel ya. And if Intel develops an algo for boost on the CPU side, we will get to a point where OCing is gone. We all have seen the writing on the wall. It is just getting more glaring.

Personally, I'd give GPUs one more gen. They should both be multi-die solutions! But CPUs, ... It is getting to just buy what is best for your intended purpose and budget...

 

10% faster for the doubled price. Rumos, but maybe valid due their 3080 leaks was accurate. Looks like the coming 20GB 3080 will be a good one if the price don't go wacko vs the 10GB 3080 card (for 4K gaming).

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 gaming performance review leaks out videocardz.de

The test was performed on the same system as before, featuring an Intel Core i9-10900K processor, and DDR4 memory clocked at 4133 MHz.

 

Well I sure hope they classify these cards in different classes for Da' bot.

 

Also heard a rumor that they are coming with a 3080 TI.... Of course that is just a rumor.

 

So I've now had a bit of time to mess with my RTX 3080 in terms of overclocking or lack there of right now. The experience is like using a max-Q RTX 3080. The long and short is the cards performance is very good at stock, blows my heavily OC'd 2080 Ti out of the water in real world use. Heavy benchmarks are a different story, but benchmarks do not perfectly translate to real world performance as I'm sure you all know.

Power limit on my card is 340w with max of 366w according to GPU-Z vBIOS information. Unfortuantely the card will not go over 320w sustained with small blips to 325w, so essentially neutered and this is with the power slider at it's max. The power limits are broken and need to be fixed and increased as this causes low clocks at stock and no ability to OC. My in game clocks at 4K (important to factor that in) are around 1900Mhz. 1080p is still sub 2000Mhz load.

The card uses stupid low voltages compared Turing at less than 1v.. You can adjust the voltage, but that isn't going to help if when hitting the PWL instantly under load.

Can't add much to my core at all in games or I get freezing/crashing. I'm talking 75Mhz caused my card to crash. This is due to the low voltage and no ability to increase this as you hit the power limits.

Memory seems to have some sort of error correcting or safety limits built in that will put the card into a low power mode or lower performance once you go beyond a threshold. For me that appears to be a max memory overclock of around +1200Mhz. At +1300Mhz I was getting severely degraded benchmarking performance. At +1200Mhz the score continued to increase in TimeSpy nicely.

 

https://www.techspot.com/news/86811-gigabyte-accidentally-reveals-rtx-3070-16gb-rtx-3080.html

Well, if nothing else, a 3080 with 20GB is coming, and a 3070 with 16GB. So...

 

Yes. already knew this info a while back, but waiting on the TI confirmation due to the 3080 comparison to the 2080 TI debate.

 

I made sure to take the Microcenter 2 year exchange warranty for the 3080 Ti or 20gb version.

 

If the 3090 numbers are correct and there is 10% between the 3080 and 3090, where can a Ti sandwich in? The 3080 20GB (which this is just an AIB putting it on their website, giving more proof to its existence) is the only thing that could really fit there.

I'd say with the SLI news and the 10% news, the 3090 is DOA outside of the prosumer market.

I mean, maybe the Ti exists and will be a 3090 shader count with 20GB, but...

I just don't have much hope on that with these leaks.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Just waiting to see if it is actually true is all.

 

Wait, what? What exchange warranty to an upgraded card from a perfectly working card? We'll be talking to the Managers when I hit Micro and see if that goes for my store as well.

 

Still rumors. But sligtly higher graphics scores for stock (16% above 3080).

Even more NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 benchmarks leak videocardz.de

The user claims to have successfully shunt modded the card, which increased power consumption from 390W to 550W. Gained 7% with shunt mod + overclock.

 

I’m seriously tempted to
Just go buy a used waterblocked 2080Ti and I can get stock 3080 performance with it at 2.1 easily.

I have the cash, and I physically cannot buy a 3080. So silly.