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I did it guys.. I have been going back
and forward for days on this..

and I just spent $488 on a 32GB memory kit. I have really lost my marbles for sure.

This better be a good damn kit, that’s all I’m
saying!

Truthfully, I really hate the way they look. I just like the default XMP profile, it’s CL15 at DDR4 4000. So maybe they can go down even further to CL14-15-15

The research I’ve done shows this is a very very very well binned kit.

I read a review of a similar but less expensive slower kit and they reached 4500Mhz at 16-16-16-32

And They also achieves 4216Mhz at CL12-12-12-28-1T

^ And this was achieved on a lower binned CL17 4000Mhz Gskill kit.

This memory should be incredible! I know my 7980XE and X299 Dark are not capable of crazy high ram frequencies. But, I can surely run 4,000-4,200 with some extremely low timmings.

 

@tps3443

Ah, glad to see you got that all sorted out!

 

Yeah so what happen was, when I set my CPU to 4.8Ghz and started running R20 the saved screenshots to my M.2 SSD were so impressive after finally breaking 11,000, that my SSD literally fell over dead.

Anyways, I ordered that way overpriced Royal 4x8 4000Mhz CL15 kit that only suckers buy lol.

 

Replying to my own post for reference, the price of the card I bought a couple of days ago has gone up £30 already, so I figure I made a fairly good decision to get in quite early.....the demand for these cards is so huge that companies are realising they have to increase their prices a little, I suppose it takes them a while to truly assess the demand.....considering I'm probably not gonna get my card for a month or so then I'd be a little surprised if these cards come down in price before Christmas......yeah this card costs £30 more now since I bought it (over 4% increase in price, lordy ):
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...dr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-44h-as.html

Who else has bought an RTX 3080 yet, and have you received it yet? I know @Talon has bought one & received it (well he queued overnight at the store), has anyone else got one yet or ordered one? Or are you overclockers gonna buy the 3090 instead.....that'll be the top card for at least half a year right?

 

If you really wanted the memory that @Mr. Fox had, I would have sold it to you. Truth be told, it is currently sitting unused for the time being and I guess I am a sucker, because I have dual sets of Royal 4800 Cl18 that I use on my X299 Dark.

 

Hey, we’re both suckers! Seriously though im just kidding. I already bought the Royal 4000C15 4x8 set. At the time I really couldn’t spare the extra money when @Mr. Fox was selling them. Anyways, how is that Royal 4800 C18 set on a X299 Dark?

Mine will be here tomorrow. What kind of daily speeds can you maintain on your setup?

 

You will be fine with your 4000 CL15 set, as that is what I run currently. The best I got out of it for OC purposes is 4200. This set did wonders for my TR40 rig though.

 

3080 vs 7700k,8700k,9700k,10700k all @ 5ghz.

 

7700K still ok for those games he chose really. Will be interesting to see if 4c/8T is gonna still be relevant with some newer games coming up in the near future.

 

Yeah, the video didn't test any game that was heavily muli-threaded, or that wasn't already GPU-limited at 1080p. Most of those were light eSports titles, even.

 

I know a lot of people are going to be angry at those HZD results, people still claiming that 2080Ti can "barely run the game"

 

I’m buying a used 2080Ti Strix OC for $600 bucks in the morning locally. This 3080/3090 launch is tough. For some reason I thought the RTX 3000 was so much faster, and I was dead set on it. But, Nvidia launches are really crazy. And the RTX3080 really isn’t all that much faster than a water cooled 2080Ti. I’m going to let the product mature a little and maybe revisit when the newness fades. ​

 

My son managed to get enough money from his old 1080Ti to buy a used Asus 2080Ti Strix advanced at no costs. Thats a Hell of a deal, lool

Adata Gets Serious With Spectrix D50 Xtreme: 5,000 MHz RAM at 1.6V tomshardware.com

Extreme speed for extreme enthusiasts

The DDR4-5000 memory kit arrives with the timings tweaked to 19-28-28. The timings look normal for a kit of this caliber, but the required DRAM voltage certainly raises an alarm. Adata's Spectrix D50 Xtreme memory modules needs 1.6V to run at DDR4-5000, while similar offerings and even Crucial's DDR4-5100 memory only pull 1.5V.

 

Nice looking memory!! And yes I am very happy to go back to a 2080Ti. Especially a Strix, that’s a pretty good AIB air cooled GPU.

 

I’m going to setup my Raid 0 tomorrow with (2) intel 665P’s. In my bios should I use CPU or PCH lanes? I’m just using the onboard M.2 slots.

 

So only 11% faster than a 3080 for more than double the price.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2105-geforce-rtx-3090/

 

I didn’t even attempt to get up at 6AM this morning to watch the 3090’s never appear in stock in Nvidia’s website. Anyone else? How’d it go?

 

Yup. I'm definitely only getting the KP 3090 now or I continue to wait...

 

23 cards at my Microcenter. Damn, I would have got one had I stayed in line yesterday. hahaha
( I did not have my air bed/1kw power station/mini fridge/auto heating coffee mug and instant coffee/Top Ramen noodles and bowl/power drinks and water/gaming laptop with unlimited portable internet/mini microwave/3kw power inverter in car with extra battery/ and parked right next to the line) (Well some of that stuff I did have, just not all of it with me for a 24 plus hour stay.

 

Yeah, I'll pass. Efficiency kind of sucks on Nvidia this gen. Good architecture, mind you. **** process, IMO. Power hungry and they feared AMD enough that they clocked it higher and left less on the table.

For the 3080, Joe and GN only saw a 16% improvement over stock on LN2. Impressive scores, without a doubt in a raw sense. Unimpressive scaling at air, being about 3%.

Now, as to architecture, AdoredTV went through an evolution of SMs (cuda cores) for Nvidia. I agree with where he thinks this is going and it is IMPRESSIVE.

(don't let the Shady Shaders thing get to you, he speaks very well on changes to architecture and this is an analytical piece that WILL get you excited for where Nvidia is going).

As to water, I'm still watching Roman's video for the 3090 on water.



Edit: Seems Roman got an extra 2.5% on water overclock over air overclock. He did not OC ram though and does not have an official block. But that is to get a feel.

 

My microcenter in Denver says Zero.

 

More than likely they have about 20 or so cards at best, but haven't put it up on site. Ours usually does it a few hours before launch.

Actually, they are sold out already

 

I am going with the best from both camps this gen, since I can't have SLI. Additionally, buying a KP card, it retains it price well enough that I can get at least 70 to 80% of what I paid. I lost about 300 each on both my KP 2080 Tis after about 5 months of use.

 

The 3000 series cards are a large & respectable leap over the 2000 series cards....what you're doing there is comparing a flagship 2000 series product with a non-flagship 3000 series product, so it's not apples to apples, you can compare 3090 to 2080Ti though. These 3000 series cards are the first cards that "make sense" since the Pascal launch (1000 series) in 2016.

 

3090 isn't much faster than 3080, only 10% better on average at 4K.

 

Yeah if you round down by 1 or 2%. But yeah, if I had a 2080ti I wouldn't update to a 3090.....well I would if I wasn't getting enough frames, but as an overall plan I wouldn't do that. Ha, most sensible gamers probably skipped the 2000 series!

Mind you 2080 to 3080 is a favourable jump, but still would have been better not to have bought the 2080 in the first place.

 

Also, I personally think comparing the 3080 to the 2080 is stupid. It is comparing a GA102 die to a TU104 die. Instead, the 2080 Ti, the RTX Titan, and the 3080 and 3090 are all 102 dies.

If you want the non-shaved down 102 count, check out the ampere 6000 Quadro card just announced.

Edit: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leake...or-for-professional-Ampere-card.495126.0.html

So, that is double the ram of the 3090 and has 10752 Cuda Cores. That is the full, uncut die size. Now the 3090 has 10496 Cuda Cores and the 3080 has 8704 Cuda Cores (the most cut down 102 die).

That means the 3090 is cut down 2.4%. The 3080 is cut down by 19%.

https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-quadro-rtx-a6000-ampere-pictured-10752-cuda-cores

 

Which, as mentioned before, is inflated by comparing a 104 chip to a 102 chip. The 2080 Ti also looks favorable next to the 1080, or the 1080 Ti next to the 980.

 

Price is the same though isn't it? $699 And that's what really matters for comparisons for consumers. 2080 & 3080 both $699 if I remember rightly.

EDIT: yeah, I checked just now, 2080 $699 launch price, 3080 $649 launch price.

 

After the 10 series having the 102 chip at $700.

 

Turing pricing was an aberration. Ampere returns to the more traditional pricing strategy.

 

Aberration or not, the fact still stands generation to generation comparison (2080 vs 3080), the ship has been righted and the performance jump is substantial for roughly the same price as the previous generation with an uplift in performance not seen in what? 10+ generations of Nvidia cards at
that price point?

I do agree Ampere returns pricing to a sense of normalcy though.

RTX 3090 is for the true enthusiast where price erformance is irrelevant in comparison to absolute best performance even if the laws of diminishing returns is in full effect.

Still waiting on what AMD has to being to the table before I start to head in any direction. I very much enjoyed my 5700xt for the last year+ even with it's persistent driver quirks.

 

Like I said, you're being suckered by the name. Read this again, slowly:

The 3070 is what the 3080 should've been. The 3080 is what the 3080 Ti should've been. And the 3090 is what the Ampere Titan should've been. Perhaps Nvidia anticipated strong competition from AMD?

 

How can someone be suckered if they haven't spent any money yet?

 

You can choose to compare based on the 102 or 104 chip designation or instead you can choose to compare on what matters to consumers which is comparing cards from different generations based on price and/or Nvidia name (eg 2080 / 3080).....the chip designation of 102 or 104 or whatever is irrelevant for consumers. I mean there's nothing wrong with you comparing chip designations though, and it says a fair amount about what is technically possible with this architecture in terms of headroom left in the product stack, but for consumers it's not important. Jump from 2080 to 3080 was a big one and at the same price and the same NVidia naming scheme, so in this light the Ampere launch is a successful one and an upgrade worth having.

 

Read this again even more slowly:

"Coulda" "Shoulda" "Woulda" regardless of chip architectures, naming and where you think they rank in the hierarchy really means nothing when in the end the naming, pricing, placement and performance is what matters.

I know it's a great way to diminish what slot for slot is a great upgrade, but it is what it is.

I know the argument seems to address Turning and it's perceived insane pricing (IE Nvidia still sold buttloads).

But in the end, price point to price point, naming generation to generation the logical successor to the 2080 is the 3080 and it is a massive uptick in performance at roughly the same price.

So much so that it even trumps the former top end 2080ti and Titan in gaming performance for a fraction of the cost.

You can keep bouncing around what you think should slot where and how the line is basically shifted (along with a sprinkle of Turing aberrations etc...), but it is what it is.

I do agree that Nvidia anticipates a strong showing from AMD and perhaps that factored into this round of pricing. The market is better for it.

 

If I read that wall of text slowly, Hopper will be out by the time I finish.

At the end of the day, I care about progress. Ampere isn’t that impressive from a progress standpoint. The perf/W increase is abysmal, despite a generation improvement in process node. The perf/chip tier increase is equally mediocre, it’s similar to Pascal-Turing. In this very thread, we have someone buying another 2080 Ti after the 3080 has already been released. It’s not as if there is even room between the 3080 and 3090 for a 3080 Ti that would make sense.

 

Well I can see where you're coming from, and it's already been said that 3080 has been shifted up the Ampere ladder beyond where a typical x80 product would reside....and like it's been mentioned before perhaps that was to compete against upcoming AMD combined with how you've described the raw potential of Ampere to be not as massive as hoped given die shrink and new architecture. That's fine. I mean what makes me happy is seeing a big performance increase for the same price, and that's what they delivered with the 3080 when compared to the 2080.....it's just two ways of looking at it, with this last way being the most relevant for consumers right now. Nothing wrong with you getting to the nitty gritty of the architecture though to help people understand the choices NVidia have made re relating chip designation (eg 102 / 104) to product name.

 

Touche

Agreed, but we really won't know where the OC cap is till down the road with non-crippled firmware and more trial and error, but I suspect it will yield insane draw levels and achieve parity between 2080ti OC's.

I'll be curious to see if the 3070 matches the 2080ti (as Nvidia claims) fully at the $499 price point. 2080ti's would crater even more in the used market as time progresses.

In summary, with more Nvidia SKUs on the horizon and Team Red ready to unleash their salvo in a month, waiting to see only benefits the consumer even more.

 

I'd be kinda surprised if it matches the 2080ti because the 3080 has 50% more cores than the 3070 (which is why I jumped on the 3080) - so unless the 3070 is able to hit a lot higher clocks than the 3080 then I would say it won't reach the 2080ti. I also don't really see the performance/value of the 3070 considering the 3080 has 50% more cores and doesn't cost 50% more, and as I just said that would hold true unless the 3070 can hit substantially higher clocks than the 3080 and I don't see that happening.

 

Performance doesn't scale linearly with the number of cores. The 3090 has 20% more cores than the 3080, but is only 10% faster.

 

We'll see how it goes with the 3070.

 

I know you hate AdoredTV with a passion, but his video i posted earlier discussing the evolution of shaders from nvidia white papers, in part, explains why that may be and hints at where nvidia may go with it. It has to do with the FP and Int/FP units. Had nvidia had 7nm TSMC or even possibly 7nm/5nm Samsung, they may be moving to two FP per int or int/fp pipelines. But that is in the weeds and your point is more general.

 

3090 isn't the 2080 Ti successor. The price difference is too large. Either the coming 3080@20GB card or a possible 3080 Ti later with the 10-15% increase in performance for 57% higher msrp vs 3080 10GB cards. There you have it

Depends on how you look at it

 

Yeah, 3090 is a silly product for the price, 3080 is a good product for the price, anything that's gonna be released inbetween the 11% performance difference of 3080 and 3090 is pretty much irrelevant by definition. The 20GB could be useful in the future though, and if they price it only a little more than the 3080, then that would be ok, but you're suggesting it would be 57% more, has price already been confirmed?

 

Anyone have a Raid 0 driver for Windows 10 install?

 

So, for 8K Doom Eternal, I believe the game was, Linus at LTT mentioned it only took like 16GB to play with their recommended settings. Doom was played WITHOUT DLSS. Strange Brigade is another of the few that have playable framerates WITHOUT upsampling. The upsampling for 8K is from 1080p.

This means, if AMD does a hat trick, then even their 16GB cards may be able to do very limited at that res.

But, overall, I think Nvidia are overconfident on wanting to price the card at $1000 or $1200 for the 20GB. But I could be wrong. Either way, rumor has the release event Oct. 28, availability on Nov. 11, and possibly reviews this time a day or two ahead of the release (also a show of confidence).

AMD had the "oh crap" pricing thing go public BEFORE reviews. After reviews showed the Sept. 2 event was bluster, I would hope they keep the price low and really create something competitive. But who knows.

Either way, I'll be grabbing something this year because not sure I want to wait for Hopper or RDNA3.

 

Im looking forward to what Team Red may come up with but even if its better or worse than Nvidia it just comes down to if it makes sense from a performance per dollar perspective.

If its a good card and more importantly a good value I may sell off my 5700XT and go for it, otherwise Im still quite comfortable on it and can buy used later.

 

Hey I managed to setup VROC Raid 0 on my X299 Dark! So, straight to the CPU raid. Awesome!! It took me about 2 hours to get it working but I’m good now.


Oh and! How’s this for FRESH OFF THE PRESS! My memory DDR4 4000 CL15 was just manufactured this month.

 

Fancy stuff @tps3443 - pretty sweet new toys you got there, bro.

All this Ampere stuff is too over-analytical. I just use the hillbilly approach.

Is it faster? Yup. Is the price better? Yup. Anything to be mad about? Nope. Any compelling reason to hurry and buy one? Nope, at least not for me at this point.

Do I want a 3090? Maybe. I don't know. Not enough information to answer that yet. That depends on whether there will be a 3090 Ti or a 3080 Ti that smokes the 3090. And, it depends on what modding can accomplish to make what I buy remarkably better than what everyone else buys to play games with. If the answer is no to that question, then I probably don't want one. For the same reason that I don't want an AMD CPU. Nothing wrong with it, but I am an overclocker. If it doesn't overclock well, then I don't want it. I have no use for it.

I probably won't know if I want one for another 3 to 6 months. Too early for me to make any decisions at this point because the price of what I want is totally asinine and unacceptable, especially if the main idea is using it to play games.