*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

The best part of this video was at 11:40.

 

@Mr. Fox the delid tool showed back up today. It looks like it has been doing some serious traveling too! Multiple flights to and from AZ haha.

 

So any point in a X299 system this late in the game?

Looking at 10980XE ($999) new and EVGA X299 Micro2 ($169.99). Might also need a psu...my current ones don't have 2x eps pin.

I have a x99 system [Xeon E5-1660 v3 (8-cores) @ 4.2ghz, 32gb quad channel ddr4 3200 (will reuse), corsair 750w]

and a x79 aw (4820k (4-core), 16gb quad channel ddr3 1600, aw 875w

I feel it's better to see Ryzen 3 but idk, my memory would be dual channel too then

 

Yes, certainly. While it is not cutting edge tech, you can't argue with results if you don't need the popularized features and gimmicks that people are being told they can't live without. X299 HEDT CPUs are still the kings of performance in the enthusiast space. They overclock well and performance scales on them nicely, unlike a lot of the "latest and greatest" belly-button trash tech that either can't or doesn't overclock worth a damn. Or, you can play the waiting game as some folks do. And, hope that what comes next isn't actually worse than what you skipped over by thinking something better was around the corner. Newer products are quite frequently inferior to the products they replace.

 

These X299 (18) cores are monsters. The 10980XE is a nice cpu. I’ve had my 7980XE for a month now. I’ve got a good motherboard, and really really good set of DDR4 memory.

These processors can handle 4.8Ghz daily without much issue.

The system is just out right beastly. I have seen 4.5Ghz heavy AVX CPU load go right past 770 watts at the wall. This was before delidding my 7980XE, But now I am seeing less power usage at 300Mhz faster frequency = 4.8Ghz.

I am not upgrading for a while. The only thing I am
Buying soon is a next generation GPU when they become more readily available.

 

Motherboard cost is a real benefit to this platform. You can practically find a X299 motherboard for nothing. Someone on overclock forums mailed me this for just the cost of shipping. I wanted it for solely for the accessories, as my current X299 dark in my system included nothing but the board. So now I have a backup, or maybe I will build another X299 system.








Anyways, it’s a solid platform.

You could also drop in a 6950X (10) core in your current setup. And some super low latency 3200-3400Mhz ram. And ride out for a while, with pretty much modern day performance.

I saw a 6950X on eBay for $339.99. Sell your current chip for $160 dollars pretty easily. And add $180 and gain 2/4 cores with faster IPC per clock. I know a 4.2Ghz Broadwell E is substantially faster than a 4.2Ghz Haswell-E cpu.

 

After much hemming and hawing, trying to future proof but wanting to go with 32GB for my current and for my next whatever turns out to be by next few platforms, I ended up going with G.Skill Ripjaws 4x8GB 4000 C15.

I looked at the Trident ($60+tax more) and Royal ($110+tax more), but I couldn't see a reason to spend the extra $$$.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232969?&quicklink=true

Solid upgrade all around over my Crucial 3200 C16 2x8GB.

Of course now I'm thinking of cracking open the still sealed Corsair 3800 C18 4x8GB SODIMMs I have up for sale for my P870TM1 to match capacities....

 

If you ever want an x299 Dark and 7960x, let me know.

 

If I knew those were available I certainly would’ve bought them and saved that $110 over the Royal Gold models I bought. The memory it self is amazing though. I run it at 14-15-15-23-1T-275 with 1.6 volts. It could possibly get by with less voltage, but I haven’t really tested any less thoroughly. My timmings of 14-15-15-23-1T are not like hci memtest stable for hours on end. But, I have never seen my system have an issue, or crash during my usage. I think it is because they seriously need active cooling. I have seen my modules reach 57C during stress testing. Pointing a desk fan at them brought it down to 40C.

 

You CAN play Crysis! (And in 9 virtual machines at the same time if you had enough GPU power!) (Ok, ok, I'm not entirely sure that is possible "PC architecture" wise, but yeah you can Play Crysis!)

 

Remembering back when Crysis first came out, I had a Nvidia GTX260 with a AMD Athlon X2 processor. It ran the game pretty well with kind of maxed out settings at 1680x1050. I was 17 years old. Of course all of my hardware was overclocked to the Max. I remember I could get around 30-40 fps. I thought my GPU was a beast at the time. It was newly released.

My first real video card was a Nvidia 6600GT though. This was during the AGP days.

Man I’ve had so many video cards over the years. And the excitement never gets old getting a new one.

 

"Can it play Crysis" Sure. "Can it play Crysis Remastered at the current standard 4K@60Hz Maxed out", probably not.
(Single card up to a 3080 so far. Waiting to see if the 3090 can do it - haha)

And the answer is still no!
1440P is a go

4K is a big 10/4 Negative

 

Does that board work fine? Any chance you'd want to sell it?

PM me a price for both shipped to 94553 and I'll see. Although my initial plan was for 10980XE + X299 Micro 2, DARK wouldn't fit in one of the cases I have.

 

Hey, it is missing both debug led screens in the top right, but I plan to keep it as a backup because it still works fine. This must be a common issue with the X299 Dark because my current X299 dark board is missing (1) debug too.

I would see if @Rage Set will give you a deal. Sounds like a good option to jump in to this platform with his 7960X and X299 dark. I would certainly go for that! You won’t regret it one bit.

 

So, this is what happen at our Microcenter in Tustin California for the 3090 launch.

 

Mine was not missing a debug light....

That sounds like someone having install issues and broke it off....Speculations of course.

Edit:
Not saying you, but the previous owner could very well have.

The board also came out February 15, 2018 so it's still under warranty if you can prove where it came from.

 

I certainly wouldn’t have knocked the debug led’s off. I just assumed they were fragile because I bought my first board and it has 1 missing. And this second board has both missing haha.

No big deal still works great other than that.

 

Those digital debug screens are actually there for a reason....
They explain why your board isn't booting and give a pretty good idea where the culprit is.

 

Hehe, you're always above me, I was on a Dell M1530 laptop with 8600M GT 32 cores & 256MB VRAM, hey I had it overclocked about 80%, and I was running it 720p for 20fps....I loved it! Ha, that's no joke, 20-25fps playing in stealth mode for most of it, the graphics impressed me, and the storyline, replayed that many times. My first real GPU was an EGA card (16 colours baby!) back in about 1990, with a gap of no proper GPU ownership between 1999-2008.


EDIT: just got an email from overclockers UK, I'm queue position #1313 for my RTX 3080 order - now that's a lucky number right there if I've ever seen one!

 

Looks like Nvidia will help the gamers I expect with this move we will see also RTX 3060 Ti will launch at a later time.

Nvidia Delays RTX 3070 By Two Weeks to Avoid Another Disappointing Launch tomshardware.com | Today


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Bro Fox. Will you finally start use Geforce Experience now as they will offer automatic Tuning?

Quick view: One-click overclocking in Geforce Experience sweclockers.com

Nvidia is incorporating an overclocking tool into the latest Geforce Experience beta, which is available to anyone with RTX hardware...

 

BAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Im gonna buy a 3070. I feel like I might have to go wait in line at a micro center though. Hopefully they can make enough of them.

I feel like the 3070 would be the one to power mod, and put on water cooling.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/51188357

Kicked that XC3 to the curb and grabbed a FTW3 Ultra at Microcenter this morning. I've seen it pull over 415w so far.

Went over at 930am (they open at 10am) already 10th in line. People must have been there ahwile since they were sitting in chairs. Unreal. Got inside and sure enough 2 FedEx vehicles showed up with cards. All Gigabyte OC cards, they had 10 lol. I watched a guy pay $400 to the guy infront of me to grab his spot to get a card. These people are insane.

As I was headed out of the store UPS pulled up and unloaded EVGA boxes. Headed back in and grabbed the FTW3 Ultra card. Was their first shipment of FTW3, very happy so far with the card. The power limit is what I wanted and it delivers.

 

Of course. I love my debug led. I probably stare at it more than I should. But one is missing. Nothing I can do. : (

The one I do have left, works as debug and package temps on startup. And then reverts to package temps when system gets past post.

 

That is fast!!! I am Amazed. Is that just air cooling? Any power mods?

 

Just stock air cooling. No mods, regular vBIOS, etc.

 

I am impressed. So people are still lining up a micro enters everyday?

 

I am trying the Kingpin Kpx thermal paste. It spreads very nicely! Compared to thermalright TFX which works well, but spreads like clay.

Before and after, Idle temps down 1C so far. So that’s always a good sign. I’ve never seen that before. I have repasted this CPU numerous times. And I have never seen 32C idle temps.

Load temps are amazing too so far. I resealed my IHS again, and I use the socket clamping force and cooler installation immediately so it presses the IHS down and dries properly.

At 4.8Ghz with 1.275 volts my cores are all under 80C With my 7980XE. With 1-9C core to core temp deviation which is good to me.

 

You sure can try! Considering the board is still under a 3 year warranty. All they can say is no.

And with dual led debug it shows the system temps and voltages using both debug screens.

 

Yeah I registered it online when I bought it. It still has warranty remaining. That voltage displaying on both screens together sounds really tempting. I’d love to have that.

 

Your hardware timing is insane....wow.

and yeah that pull and performance, that is more like it.

 

Anyone here ever mess around with AVX 512? I read so much about it, how it is very fast but kills CPU's. And some say that CPU's cannot even maintain default frequencies while using AVX-512.

So, I decided to test this with my 7980XE. I went in the bios and set a (-12 AVX512) offset. So, my 7980XE would run at 3.6Ghz at 1.275 volts during an AVX512 application. This doesn't make much sense, but I started the AIDA64 FPU stress test and after a few minutes, sure enough, my CPU was running 93-96C at only 3,600Mhz on all 18 and 36 threads.

I thought this was stupid, and running an offset is of this quantity is really really stupid. Yet, I see people running massive AVX offsets all the time.

The reason why it is so stupid, is because I went back in to the bios and set my CPU to 4.4Ghz all cores with only 1.125 volts and NO AVX512 offsets at all. And it is running at 4.4Ghz during AVX512 stress test. And the thing is, it only reach about 78-85C max temps throughout the 18 cores at 100% utilization. So, it is running 800Mhz faster while also running so much cooler. Drastically cooler!

This similar situation happens with AVX2 as well if you run realbench at 4.8Ghz with the required voltage and a -2 AVX offset the temperatures are much hotter than simply running at 200Mhz slower with less voltage. It seems like if someones temperatures are at a limit of needing to run a AVX offset, they would be better off running a lower frequency and lower voltage overall.

4.4Ghz at 85C VS. 3.6Ghz at 93C is insane! I have read about a lot of people doing it this way though. Mostly people using these HCC CPU’s for rendering and things like that.

Anyways, I don't use AVX that much and I certainly do not use AVX512 ever, I just found this interesting.

And I wanted to share.

Curious about you guys opinions on this. Being able to sustain 4,400Mhz during a AVX512 application is something you never read about on the internet. And would probably be blazing fast if I was actually doing real work like this.

How come we cannot run AVX offsets, that also set lower voltage parameters? This would simply be ingenious!! I wish we could do this.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/51203514

Yes this FTW3 is a lot more fun and has some overclocking headroom. Haven't crashed it yet, gotta keep pushing. I think with a block it should easily do north of 20K.

Luckily, winter is coming.

 

Why not make an Apple vs Apple comparison? 4.4Ghz all cores with equal 1.275v as for 3.6GHz.

 

Because I run my CPU at 4.8Ghz with 1.275Volts, and if I run a -12 offset it still runs the same voltage of 1.275 at only 3,600Mhz. But, if I run all of my cores at just 4.4Ghz with no AVX 512 offsets I can just use 1.125V and the temperature difference is insane, but the performance would be much faster being 800Mhz faster. I guess what I am saying is, a lower frequency doesn't help temperatures with a AVX offsets. Only lower voltage will help temperatures.

Oh and, 4.4Ghz with 1.275V would be physically impossible for me with the ADIA64 AVX512 Stress test. haha. I may as well be trying to run 4.8Ghz during a AVX 512 load. it isn't the frequency that isn't possible, its just the voltage.

4.4Ghz at 1.125V with a AVX 512 LOAD, consumes more power and puts out more heat than my CPU at 4.8Ghz with 1.275V running real bench.

AVX 3 is crazy hard to manage.

 

4.2GHz All Core 1.356v almost 33k....

 

And then there's the CPU your girl told you not to worry about......

 

I wonder if intel is going to ever compete with this, seems unlikely. This 3990X destroys my 3 year old 4.8Ghz 7980XE.

I can only muster about 34% of that massive 32,898 score.

 

The Xeon 3175X performs worse than the entry TR 3960X... Hopefully something from intel soon I'm not to fond of the multi die layout of the Ryzen chips...

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If I could find a good deal on a 3175X I’d certainly buy one, certainly for good overclocking headroom, say $1,500 already used and abused haha. But then the motherboard also comes in to play. And they are very expensive! AMD has offered a good value here though.

Why do you not like the multidie layout?

 

Requires faster ram to bridge the latency im sure it will be improved with DDR5... I see the TR 3960X for 1200 CAD Used these days maybe you should look into one...

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I just found a really good comparison on YouTube. It is maybe a Japanese women overclocking both of them and comparing. I am shocked she only has 17 subscribers, the hardware budget is pretty massive in this video, with extreme cooling as well.

 

Depends on. The bot is a mess and its a luck of draw to load pages. It's still more fun with Intel chips. And AMD Ryzen still need more cores to compete if both max out the overclock potentiale with equal amount cores.

 

Well 5.4 VS 4.5 of course I was referring to more of an everyday clock maybe 4.5 VS 5? The Xeon would still come ahead in gaming but I have seen cases where the 3960X Beats out the previous 2990WX and the Xeon 3175X

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https://hwbot.org/submission/456754..._benchmate_ryzen_threadripper_3990x_33017_pts

Passed 33K closed explorer.exe

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That’s why I settled on a 7980XE used for $800 bucks. Amazing gaming performance at 4.8Ghz. The multithreaded capability is no slouch compared to high end chips either. Obviously there’s still faster CPU’s but the cost to get there is very high.


Also I cannot believe the 3175X uses thermal paste as TIM. I figured intel would solder these for sure. I wonder what someone could even overclock a 3175X to daily and sustain with just exotic water cooling, no chiller.

 

@Papusan

I have a base line for the performance of my system, I know exactly what it scores in R15 or R20. And for some reason my scores have gone down about 2% across the board. I know it is my OS. And it is something sucking the life somewhere from it. But, I can't figure out where else to look. I know your the man with OS performance optimization. I could never quite make my 8086k as fast as your 8700K.

I could normally power on my system, and even with MSI AB running, rivatuner running, and windows virus enabled, firewalls enabled. I could run R20 and pull around 11,210 about every single run.

But, now even with all apps closed, antivirus disabled, firewall disabled, higher priority in R20 I am scoring around 11,034. And it doesn't get better run after run. Just scores the same. I actually saw one R20 run hit 10,900.

I cannot figure it out. I really don't want to reinstall windows. But, my performance has degraded from something.

If only I wasn't so OCD about this stuff it is ridiculous lol.

Any ideas?

 

You are sure you run exactly same settings (Ram, cpu etc)? Same ram? No changed drivers? Have you checked if you see any changes in Reliability Monitor? Checked WUB, O&O Shutup, Privatezilla, WPD or whatever software you use for stopping Microsoft's madness? Could also be from corruption if you have had some crashes. Many reasons for changes.

I'm sure you have tested with other clock speed. Same there as well? What with stock clocks? Same for all type benchmark tests?

 

Yes I have tried reducing clock speeds. I know the scores with lower speeds. It is just low for some reason. I am transferring some data, and I am going to reinstall.