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Based on this result, it does hurt the 3D graphics score since there is no DX12 test on W7. I ran it in W10, rebooted into W7 and ran it immediately after. No changes to OC settings. Other than that, it is another confirmation of W7 superiority, but we already knew that. CPU and memory and 2D Graphics performance are better. I suspect if I excluded the DX12 test on W10 the 3D Graphics score would be about the same. Note that I am running the better OS (W7) on a 960 Pro and my crap OS (W10) on a Sandisk X400, thus the much higher Disk Mark score, so the overall score needs to be ignored because of the Disk Mark rating.

 

Lian Li PC-T70 Open and Closed Air Test Bench Review - Guru3.com

 

Nice bench without the top enclosure. Adding the enclosure defeats the purpose of having an open bench. Looks like it is well made (as naturally expected from Lian Li). Looks like a good option.

After Brother @Trafficante bought me the View 71, I am good to go now. It is massive, gorgeous and it love it. And, its hugeness makes it extra easy to work on. There are no tight spots anywhere. The hinged glass frameless "suicide doors" are awesome. After seeing how the top 360MM radiator filter was about half clogged with dust and lint in 2 weeks and knowing what a never-ending battle it is where I live, I think it is best to have an enclosure. I spent a couple of hours last weekend thoroughly dusting everything in my office and by the next morning everything had a new layer of dust on it again, LOL.

 

Thanks Fox, its not like I could beat your 3D score anyway, I was just curious if it did hamper the results on Windows 7!

 

Thats a cool set up, but I would never want something like that. I will leave that to the guys that switch crap, and bench like crazy. I am more interested in an aesthetically standard case. There was a time that all my cases I bought were Lian li. They make fine products.

 

So you got the bigger version of my View 31, its a good looking case with the glass. Is it dusty in Arizona? I just know its fairly hot lol.

On a slightly unrelated note, I might have a package that contains something that ends with V from Nvidia coming on Monday.

 

Make it Rain!!

 

Yeah, it looks way nicer, too. The View 31 is very nice, but the View 71 is crazy good. I will post a couple of pics for you.

Looking forward to seeing some benches with your new GPU. You must be pretty excited.

Most of Arizona is extremely hot most of the year, extremely dry and always dusty. They have gigantic dust storms called a Haboob that are almost apocalyptic the are so creepy.

 

Damn nice looking We home here have *only* snow storms.

 

I was coming back to post that video, lol. You beat me to it.

 

This ain't much better We have the cold instead of the hot. But we don't get wet computers

 

Fairly excited I guess. I change my mind too much so the excitement has long worn off.

Better than hot and humid, trust me. I used to live in China and during summer, it can get to 36-40c and its so humid. Its literally a sauna.

 

You definitely will not get any argument out of me about that. I absolutely hate hot weather, but add humidity and it adds an even more hellish dimension to it. The states on the Gulf of Mexico are really horrible in the summer because of the humidity. I would much rather have it 120°F (49°C) with no humidity than 95°F (35°C) with high humidity. However, the former is more dangerous because it does not feel as hot and you can get dehydrated and die of heat stroke before you even feel that hot. The latter is just nasty and miserable.

I am a winter fan, absolutely love cold weather and lived in the Pacific Northwest for 30 years. Only moved to Phoenix a couple of years ago to be close to the daughter and her family. If she were not here, I definitely would not be. I really miss the majestic mountains and dense forests, as well as the cooler weather. The things they call mountains here are just ugly piles of rocks that are no bigger than a large hill, LOL. There is some really pretty country up around Flagstaff, but not down here in the desert.

The one thing I do like about it here though is the lack of rain or snow, and super-low humidity. I do not care for precipitation in any form. Cold and dry is what I like best.

Here are the pics I said I would post...

 

@Mr. Fox Beautiful setup! I am in located in Edmonton and the weather is very dry and cold here. Sounds like something you would enjoy. -20C and dry air.

 

Yeah, that is not my favorite thing either. Cold is good, but I hate rain and snow is just frozen rain. When it melts you have the same sloppy wet mess as rain. But, it is still better than too hot. At least you can do something to get warm. When it's too hot, even being naked doesn't help. Just have to stay inside and crank the AC up to not die (literally) from heat stroke.

Thank you.

Yes, I definitely would. I have never been to Alberta, but from everything I know about it, definitely. My sister lives in Saskatchewan (Nipawin). I mostly lived on the dry Eastern side of the Cascades (high mountain desert, with hardly ever any snow or rain) and really liked that.

West of the Cascades was nice except for rainy season and that time of year always sucked. But, it was always lush and beautiful on the Western side. Even the rocks were green (from moss). See example below (Multnomah Falls, just east of Portland, Oregon).

 

Was there for that one! I was flight instructing and that mother F'er chased me back from Casa Grande to Phoenix.

 

Is this one rad top mounted and one rad front? I see you configred the top rad to pull air in instead of pushing it out. Most configs on top push it out. Does your front rad also pull in?

 

I am from Vancouver originally. I know all about the pacific northwest. Its pretty nice but it does rains a lot!
Alberta is one of the best place to live in the world imo. Its fairly dry and the weather can be a bit extreme(-40ish C with windchill.) but it is fairly good. I love it here and I do not want to move back to Vancouver.

 

Yes, I have tried it with air flow both directions and having both radiators pull in cooler outside air and build positive pressure inside of the case make the CPU and GPU both cooler. I also have the six top radiator fans blasting a steady stream of air on the GPU back plate.

 

I just ordered this water cooler, it seemed the best bang for the buck. Tell me what you think please.
I ordered it with the larger 270mm reservoir.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-raystorm-pro-x4-photon-ax360-watercooling-kit-amd-am4.html

 

When I bought my case, the guy at Micro Center suggested that I keep the top 2 fans as intake that this way works best.

I Haven't had any real heat issues but my GPU does run a little warm (More MSI's fault with the heatsink design than anything else). It's pretty much a 1070 Heatsink on a 1080 ti.

I took the (2) 140mm fans (that he suggested for intake) and made them exhaust out the top, bought 2 corsair 120mm fans for the front and set them up as intake to blow towards the GPU, then I set my 120mm Evga AIO fan for the CPU as intake through the back. Doing this small change gave me around 5-7c lower temps on my GPU.

My case is cheap (MSI Codex). That will be my next upgrade so I can fit better cooling inside. So I figured that heat rises, might as well help it and blow it out the top.

 

Should work well.

 

I have one exhaust fan on the rear panel and the bottom of the case is vented. I can feel warm air coming out in both places.

I think the reason my temps are lower is blowing cooler air through both radiators. The air inside of the case might be warmer.

 

Ive been here many times! I used to live in Hood River, and visited there many times. Im sure you know where Hood River is Fox.

 

Yes, definitely. Been there literally hundreds of times. That part of the Columbia Gorge is a very beautiful area. That is like one of the best spots in the world for wind surfing. I was driving down I-84 in that area once and watched as a bald eagle dived down and grabbed a huge salmon out of the river. It was awesome.

 

Nice! I now live about 400 miles east on I-84 in Idaho....small world! I love that area, some of the most beautiful areas in the world as far as I am concerned! The Cascade range has always awed me. When I was a younger bloke, we used to ride/race motorcycles all over that area. Sandy, OR, Albany, OR, Wahsougal, WA.

 

Just prior to moving to the Phoenix area I lived in Kennewick, WA. I have lived in Vancouver, Spokane, Walla Walla, WA and Hermiston, OR. My wife also has family in Kalispell, MT, Bonner's Ferry, McCall and Coeur d'Alene, ID. All of the above are great places for overclocked benching outside in the winter time. Better than AC cooling.

 

I am exactly 100 miles south of McCall, just west of Boise, a little city called Nampa. Its cold enough here to do some overclocking outside. Worked in McCall when I was younger, and snowmobiled a lot there too.

 

Cinebench R11.5 - http://hwbot.org/submission/3755208_

 

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/12/29/amd_threadripper_water_block_cooler_roundup_for_2017
I know that review is threadripper, but XSPC outperformed the other brands. Congrats, will be interesting to see what kind of temps you can get with it.

 

That is why I'm running the Raystorm Neo right now.

 

Nice! Thanks for the link. Seemed like everything else was way over priced, and I was able to customize this the way I wanted with red LED's. The Threadripper water block is the same design, just bigger.

 

@Mr. Fox When you run CB 11.5, does it make a huge difference if use 32bit vs 64bit? My 64x is a full 1 point higher.
Here is 64x

 

Still working on my Logitech LCD OSD. Here is the latest.

 

Nice score, Brother @Raiderman.

I am not sure. I have never run the 32-bit version.

I matched the W10 score with W7 with no problem. Seems I was being a little too stingy with the VID and the bump helped produce better results.

 

Nice job, bro! You really got that 14-core monster i9 CPU roaring like a lion.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14639571/fs/13783131#

Did you get the other thing figured out that we were talking about?

 

Holy crap! Nice! @Trafficante

 

I would like to tweak the ram, but I am still trying to get used to these new bios's. So used to the legacy stuff, that this is almost foreign to me.

Edit: Its weird, I set the bios OC mode to expert, and all the settings are still grayed out. I can select pre-defined memory settings with default voltages, but I cant change voltage if I wanted to bump it up to 3400mhz. This may need some googling. The settings to OC the cpu are also not changeable. That is why I have OCed with Ryzen master.

This is basically what my bios looks like, but none of the settings he is able to change are possible on mine???

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0

 

New Fire Strike score for Trómos...

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14641311 | http://hwbot.org/submission/3756255_

 

Here is another best-ever score with Trómos... Played around with killing off more worthless and totally unnecessary trash services in W10 bloated ass-ware OS.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3756295_

 

Shopping for a graphics card is a complete joke right now. After Christmas, everything is gone/over priced. NGreedia didnt get much competition from Vega, so they are gonna sit on their thumbs and milk the 10xx series until AMD can get off the behinds and challenge them. A week ago Newegg had Evga 1080 cards, now they have nothing. I have scoured the internet looking for something under 600, as it was prior, but I see some serious gouging going on now. Cant find any Vegas either. Hell I cant even find my RX 580 anywhere for under $550, which is ridiculous.

 

Windows 7... no-nonsense OS goodness...

http://hwbot.org/submission/3756315_

 

That is ridiculous... I noticed the same the other day and thought maybe it was just bad timing. Literally everything worth buying was out of stock.

Basically all of the EVGA 1080 Ti are on "Auto Notify" (out of stock), LOL.

https://www.evga.com/products/produ...=GeForce+10+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+1080+Ti

Don't waste money on Vega. Just keep using the RX 580 until you can get a 1080 Ti with iCX or a K|NGP|N version.

 

Midrange and high-end graphics card will get more expensive-Guru3d.com

 

Uuups. Just read nvidia issued a statement that all their gpus are also affected by meltdown and spectre and they will provide a new driver to patch the security holes. Wonder how it will impact performance...

On the cpu side patching seems to have a serious negative effect on ssd speed.

 

My Bluetooth cell phone headset is probably affected too, along with my car stereo and digital multi-meter, and my electronic lawn sprinkler system. OMG... we're all gonna die now. Let's all line up, lock arms and jump off of a tall building right now and just get it over with.

 

You don't need to worry about that, the vendors are going to do it for us and hold hands with us as they leap...

The new Nvidia 390.65 driver not only has new game support, it also comes with the security changes for their GPU's, no reports yet on if there is a performance loss, or whether those changes require the Windows / Linux OS patch and firmware update to implement the security features.

 

It's all of our faults, individually and collectively. We never should have spent money on technology. Had we never done so, this never would have happened. Now, where did I put my abacus, chisel and stone tablets?

 

One point on the abacus. Once proficient, you can do the abacus mentally, which is why you see those that got good with it able to do math better in their heads than others. In that way, modern society went backwards a considerable amount. So bad example on that one!

 

Suggestion: If you remove the check mark from the "Average" box it will unclutter your screen with meaningless data. Knowing the average clock speed or temperature is very close to worthless in almost all cases and it is merely a waste of screen space having the extra column present with the Sensor Panel open. "Average" temps do not cause issues. Max temps do.

What I mean by this is knowing what the average clock speed does nothing to help you understand if any cores are throttling under load. You look to the minimum column for that detail. In an active monitoring scenario, the current/realtime column is what is important. Only the maximum temperature is actually meaningful because maximum temperature are where the problems occur. I cannot think of even one example where having the average value is meaningful data. An average is nothing more than an irrelevant mathematical product in this scenario.

You can also right-click on rows and hide them. A ton of the information available is not useful most of the time, so a large percentage of the data being shown to you isn't serving a purpose. Anything like that that you do not care to know about can be hidden. As you can see from the screen shot, I have hidden 128 rows of data that do not matter to me. They might if I was having an issue and I could unhide them to look, but if everything is working correctly a lot of it is just clutter.