*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

I wouldn’t mind a RTX3090 to play with. I may grab one around tax season early early next year. I really wish I could get a Kingpin 3090 though, I keep hearing they are gonna be very limited production which is unfortunate.

With how I run my FE 2080Ti, I really wish it was a Kingpin model, or the “real” Galax HOF WC model. So, I am leaning towards AIB’s like this with the 3090.

 

Yeah, it seems like everything is just turning to crap now. Windows 10 sucks. Most of the new hardware sucks. The hardware that sucks less isn't available, and when it is you're getting gouged for more than MSRP. HWBOT sucks and gets suckier by the day. The new 3DMark looks like something made for Middle School brats. And, like who really gives a rat's ass what the benchmark score might translate to for a given game title? Totally stupid. Makes me just want to say to hell with all of it at this point.

 

my good to all, I hope you are all well .... in the end I bought i9 10850k and from what I see it has not turned out all bad ... my captures.

cinebench r23 test 30minute

 

Their reply was for you to connect a 1440P monitor to it. LOL

Brother @Mr. Fox

EKWB Support (EKWB Support)

Dec 7, 2020, 19:51 GMT+1

Dear John
Yes and no. The delta TEC coldplate can easily go to -10C in a normal loop if the heat load is not too high. It could still do that with a chilled loop. HOWEVER, decreasing the coolant temp will not change how much heat the TEC can deal with at all... so it would not be any better until the TEC is operating in an overwhelmed state. In which case it would be far more effective to use the chiller without the TEC plate creating a thermal barrier.

The only way to increase the thermal capacity of the TEC plate would be to run multiple TEC's in series to cool the coolant in the CPU loop. An appropriately specced chiller would be a much better solution for constant sub ambient operation though, with a much lower power draw however it wouldn't be silent.

Best regards

 

Thank you for checking into that, Brother @Johnksss. Awesome that they confirmed what I feared. Cool that they were also honest about it, too. I actually pre-ordered one and then canceled it because it seems like too much of a gimmick. Now, I do think it is probably better than just ordinary water cooling, but nowhere near the results of chilled water. As I thought about it and ultimately decided to cancel the order it was because I decided (logically guessed to be more accurate) that the TEC would basically have the same effect as a radiator and make the chilled water warmer instead of colder.

 

No problem. I had wanted to know that answer as well. I have had mine on pre-order since the 12 of November and just pre-ordered the FTW3 block today.
I have been contemplating on cancelling my order as well. I was thinking along the lines as it would be a good little testing tool for cpus, but if it can't be made to work with anything other than LGA 1200, then it might not work out in the end.

I was surprised about that myself. I thought I was going to get the long drawn out bs statement, but was totally impressed by the honesty.

 

Well, it definitely looks like my ~8yr love fest with Noctua's NH-D15 has hit its final wall with the 10900k.
It is hitting thermal walls left and right even at 5.1 under RB 2.56.
SP86 with a VID of 1.003 so a decent chip
Prediction @ 5.3 with an estimated "extreme OC" of 45%
5.1ghz @ 1.31v @ LLC6 = ~1.296v under load I can loop CB20 and CB15 but temps definitely push ~90.
5.2 run of CB20 @ 1.30 LLC7 which pretty much equals 1.35v @ LLC6 for ~ 1.34 under load (Score = 6714)
5.3 @ 1.4v LLC6 for CB20 is insta 100 throttleville in a vicious loop but it completes the run no problem but throttling gave it a sucktastic ~6340
After working with thermal blast, cooler rating dropped from an initial 168 to 148.
~7c differential on core temps with stock IHS

I won't be going custom or chilled atm, but I am looking at the Artic Liquid Freezer II 420 and a delid and copper IHS. That monster can actually attach to the outside of my Carbide 540

Either that or switch back to my 9900k when my RMA FTW Z390 gets here and return the Strix Z490 and 10900k

 

Yup, I found the same thing. Air cooling is not a good option for 10900K or any X299 CPU. Too much heat and watts to manage effectively unless you use some kind of gigantic monstrosity with ridiculous fans. I suspect the same would be true for the latest Ryzen chips.

 

by the way you can recommend 2k 32 or 35 inch monitor that is ips panel compatible gsync .... I understand that the ips is better to play ..... thanks

 

If you're gonna try a delid, why not try a delid with the Noctua NH-D15 first? If you can get your 5.1GHz to happy temperatures, then that's only 4% of lost potential vs your 5.3GHz max estimate. Or if the delid enables you to get 5.2GHz, then that's only 2% of lost potential. I think that puts it into perspective, at least in practical terms.

 

I figured I better get this out of my system since I am going to be using my turdbook while on a week-long vacation.

 

Ha, you're definitely at the top tail of the Bell Curve!

 

That's absolutely true and a good perspective to take. I'll also want to get the temps down as much as possible, but looking back over my almost two years worth of 9900k temp logging, this is right where the NH-D15 should be hitting a wall in a OC'd config. Stock, NH-D15 works ok (temps still 90ish though under heavy loads), but I didn't lock down the stock undervolt vcore yet either.

I am still in the return window for the extra chromax NH-D15 I picked up from Amazon, so I might still swap that one for the Artic Liquid Cool II 420 and retest on my 9900k/ks along with the 10900k. I still have my original NH-D15 silver and tan. I also have a EVGA CLC 280 sitting on the shelf new.

 

That depends if your 9900K was delidded with liquid metal on your NH-D15 though? Point is, if you're getting whatever high temps you are now with your 10900K & NH-D15 and you're not delidded, then delidding will bring that what about 10degC lower temp, so I think worth delidding with liquid metal & trying NH-D15 still? (As long as you're willing to compromise 2% performance, assuming you can get 5.2GHz delidded with NH-D15).

 

I delidded my 9900k p0 with LM and a copper IHS to address a massive core temp discrepancy and bring the temps down. It did address both in spades. That was with the NH-D15 before and after delid and before I moved it into my P870TM before moving it back to my desktop and replacing it with a 9900ks.

My 9900ks isn't delidded. It only had a core temp differential of ~3c and runs beyond cool enough for its designated task at the moment (P870TM1).

As for the 10900k, If I have aspirations of 5.3, a delid might be mandatory but so too might be a change in cooling. I think I'm going to go ahead and send back my extra Chromax NH-D15 and get the Arctic 420 and run some tests pre and post delid with this 10900k at 5.0 through 5.3 with my primary NH-D15, EVGA CLC 280 and Arctic 420.

 

I have been too busy with work and I still haven't delidded the 10900KF replacement. Maybe next weekend I will do that and go back to bare die. Those 5.5GHz runs are no delid, but using the chiller. I may first do that with the 10850K since that has only a 240mm AIO and would benefit more.

I am not really seeing a meaningful difference between 10850K and 10900K/KF other than a much lower price. I will test it in my bigger setup and see how high it can overclock on cold water.

 

I've been tuning the 3080 for the best game play settings. Cyberpunk is absolutely amazing to make any hardware beg for mercy with truly maxed out settings w/ Psycho. I've been having a blast tuning the 3080 with Cyberpunk. Gosh I can't wait to get the water block on this card...

On the stock blower w/ 100% fans...

RTX 3080 | 9900K
Cyberpunk 2077 @ 4K
Fully maxed out settings...
DLSS - Quality
Psycho mode

So far...
2160MHz Core / 10,000MHz+ Mem (using 3DMark metrics)

That seems to be the limit with the stock blower as the game would flat line with anything higher after playing it for a while and/or in a heavy fight scene, but dang I'm not complaining.

This is enough data for me to really be excited for the water block and on to benching it'll surely go.

The game is incredible and it should also be the new golden standard for benchmarks at the 4K + Fully Maxed Settings.

For 4K gaming, there is very little difference between Ultra and High so with a customized setting and with the help of DLSS, one could enjoy a nice 4K experience from one of the finest titles to date.

Any Cyberpunk 2077 players? I'd be curious to compare in game settings.

 

I'll test my 3080 TUF when it arrives, probably around February considering I'm 700 odd in the queue still! It looks like an impressive game, and I've worked out from reviews that I'll be able to run it at 1080p maxed out with ray tracing, etc, for about 80fps ( https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/cyberpunk_2077_pc_graphics_perf_benchmark_review,4.html). Assuming my CPU won't limit that game, but we'll see.

 

If you are an EVGA Elite Member, you should be able to pre-order a 3090 KP card on the 16th of this month, as they made them exclusive to "us" for a bit of time. Still won't guarantee a card in a timely manner but at least we won't have to battle the bots for the cards. Newegg opened up everything (CPU's, GPU's) today at 8pm EST and everything was sold out in seconds. This is crazy.

 

I am going to try to snag a Kingpin HydroCopper. I am an EVGA Elite member.

 

Looks like the gap is larger between the 3080ti and 3090
https://twitter.com/harukaze5719/status/1338414604414644225

 

Just like the preliminary numbers from the 1080 Ti and the Titan of the Pascal generation, there was a gap. However, will it hold true during the life of the products?

With that said, more specialized 3090's like the KP will stay ahead of all cards until the next generation.

 

We also do not know the source of the graph, the reliability of the testing, or the agenda of the person that created it. Graphs are useful when created in a controlled environment with some scientific methodology behind them. Otherwise, they are merely a graphic representation of haphazardly assembled data points. The "news" media use graphs and carefully selected bits of data effectively to misinform and mislead the general public and promote an agenda every day. I find they often drive more questions than answers when I begin to dissect and analyze the data behind them. Numbers never lie, but liars often use carefully chosen numbers to promote their agenda.

 

AKA " Selective Statistics"

In modern times in this hyper media environment we now inhabit, many have abandoned a basic personal duty to do due diligence on the data presented to them and instead knee jerk react to it in a bubble of sorts. I've lost count how many times a quick 10-15 minute data dive either refutes what is being presented or at least adjusts it accordingly in a much larger context.

With that being said, now that the air has cleared a bit in regards to the 6000 series vs the 3000 series, I really do not think Nvidia has to do much to place a 3080ti aligned price and performance wise with the 6900xt. Bump up the memory and slap on a few more CUDA cores to tweak rasterization @ $999 = win.

 

The GeForce RTX 3080 Ti comes later, the RTX 3060 sooner and the GTX 1060 3GB gets a trimmed successor | Exclusive igorslab.com

The GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is coming later than expected which has turned out to be more and more likely, but whose appearance is supposed to be delayed further. If you believe your own sources, which refer to both NVIDIA and AMD, NVIDIA waited for the launch of the new RX 6000 series and then analyzed the entire results very carefully. The current GeForce RTX 3080 only has 10 GB of graphics memory compared to the current AMD cards, but the results in Ultra HD in particular have once again shown that this numerical disadvantage does not actually work at all.

 

I read somewhere that 3080ti is gonna have same specs as 3090, but just less VRAM - when I say same specs I mean same core count, frequencies might be different (& memory bus?). So I'd expect the performance to be closer to 3090 than 3080. But, the point for me is that there is only a small gap in performance between 3080 & 3090 as it stands, so inserting another card between the two of them is uninteresting to me.....it's useful though to have a cheaper version of the 3090 for people who don't need all that extra VRAM.

After googling, I think this is where I read it:
https://www.techpowerup.com/275984/...ti-graphics-card-launch-postponed-to-february

 

The concept isn't that much different than the Ti being in the middle between Titan and X080. Not sure if there will actually be another Titan with the 3090. I really don't need more GPU than my modded 2080 Ti at this point. Other than overclocking, my 2080 Ti exceeds all of my needs, which is why I have some interest in the K|NGP|N 3090. The intellectual part of me tells me to not be stupid enough to pay $2000 for a GPU, but the overclocking nut in me tells me to do it. I am going to try to pre-order and if I am not quick enough at the draw I may decide not to spend any money on anything. Will have to see how that plays out tomorrow.

 

Well, it's less than 4 hours away from having the possibility of the privilege of adding my name to a waiting list and I am questioning the intelligence of spending $2,000 + tax on a product that will become EOL and obsolete in 12 months or less, and will require at least another $200 and a longer wait for a better water block. The practical/intelligent part of me is wrestling with the compulsive overclocking addict part of me.

With HWBOT basically turning into a crappy, buggy leaderboard run by what seems to be people that are no longer committed to the sport or fixing their buggy piece of crap leaderboard and web site, it draws even more critical thought. I've lost most of my interest in gaming and don't really have time for it, so I am contemplating what, if anything, I am ultimately going to gain by spending 25% more money for something that I won't earn any points or gain rank or will later lose the points and rank unless I go to the added expense and hassle of moving to LN2 as a means of protecting the position. I keep coming back to the conclusion that I am going to gain nothing but regret for buying a grossly overpriced niche product and a fleeting moment of joy that is tarnished by the humbling realization that I impulsively flushed ~$2500 down the toilet.

 

My 3090 KPE was supposed to be delivered this morning, sounds like my package didn't make the cut last night for the aircraft. Meh, no worries, more important things to move around this country right now. I should have it by Thursday though, fingers crossed.

 

I more or less reached the same conclusion, my buddies were recently shouting me down over the elections and I lost interest in playing games generally speaking. Havent touched my tower in 2 weeks, been using my t440p for everything.

It kind of hit me that multiplayer is a waste of time as there is no moving message like that of a great campaign title. I've been hitting the books pretty much any spare time I get.

 

I still go back and forth over my FE 3090 purchase and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than a KPE 3090. I'm not used to spending so much on a GPU and I actually play games and WoW looks great and reviews basically say Nvidia is the card to get for 2077 especially for RT. I am still in that fiscally responsible mind space of debating whether to sell it / return it and step down to something more reasonable (sub 600).

 

This.

I've found myself in WoW turning off chat and going solo much of the time because the general chat and even guild chat inevitably turns towards the election, covid or both and it turns into a poo throwing fest. It has definitely taken a bit of the wind out of my sails when playing. I even deleted FB and IG from all my devices and I've relegated them to a sometimes web session now. When I do peak my head in, I find myself closing it out and not returning for some time.

My peace of mind has increased exponentially.

 

Well if you really don't think it'll be much fun with the 3090, then use that $2500 for stuff that you do enjoy! Don't regret it. Although you should probably spend that $2500 on some kind of toy for yourself!

 

Kingpin auto notify still up

 

I think that's a good idea, you can get scalper prices for your 3090 if you so choose, and then get in a line for a 3080 for instance....but prices have been increasing across the board since launch so is there any real deals to be had....I still think the 3080 was the long term performance/value card of the series, but not at the inflated prices now. I suppose you could still make some money by selling 3090 for scalper prices & stepping down, it's bound to put some money in your pocket.

 

You can always wait for a RageSet deal.... you all know it's coming.

 

I've signed up for Auto Notify for the 3090 KPE and 3090 FTW3 HC. Both are overpriced about $750 and I'm still not sure if I will pull the trigger if given a chance. From what I can see, a 3080 is just barely able to beat my modded 2080 Ti scores, so I don't know at this point. Doesn't seem like there any good options are available for this GPU generation. The only desirable options offer extremely poor value.

I think it would be a ton of fun to have a 3090 KPE, especially after I am done making it better with shunt modding, etc. I am very confident of that and I really want one. The part that I am undecided about is whether or not spending the equivalent of $200 a month for casual entertainment purposes until that becomes obsolete in 12 months makes any sense whatsoever. I'm not sure that it does and lean toward it being foolish for me to even entertain the idea. If I were a gamer and expected to get 3 to 5 years out of the GPU, it would be an easier pill to swallow.

The AMD 6900 XT seems like it runs about as well as a 3090 (based on overclocked benchmark scores) as long as you don't count ray tracing. If ray tracing is factored it then it just barely keeps pace with 2080. Scalpers are selling the XFX Merc 319 for about $500 more than it's worth. So, stooping to defecting to Team Red is not even a reasonable value proposition at this point.

It is comforting to know that is an option.

 

How long did the site hang for you guys? It took me around 15mins before the page loaded to submit the pre filled form.

The 3080 has been smashing Cyberpunk 2077 with maxed out graphics + RT; however the vram is riding right at the edge ~10GB.

I wonder what their stock is on the KP cards? The site was hanging like there were bots still spamming, despite their attempt to eliminate all that by making it an exclusive for elite members.,. Crazy huh?

 

Was up a little while ago still. I forgot I'm an Elite member till I was in there checking on my RMA for the FTW Z390 that's in their possession atm.

True, the 3090 checks all the boxes including the wallet abusing one.

As for the KPE, It is still up for elite members. If you're not it just says it is an elite member exclusive. A good way to make sure elite members get a proper line slot for one and ward off scalpers.

I'm trying to help a buddy lock down two of them. He is the one with the FTW3 3090 and offered me a FTW3 3090 months ago (no way at that price) but he now wants 2x KPEs, so I sat there refreshing and watched it
go from easy refreshes to the slow crawl to not loading in at all then it sprung back to life and I put myself on the list, verified with the follow up email and told him I was on the list (as was he) and done.

 

The low 10GB of vram on the 3080 is its biggest culprit and by design it's already at a disadvantage to become the most obsolete for high end titles.

From what we can see putting only 10GB's on the card was to position it to make room for the 3080Ti for them to milk it even more.

Nvidia could have at least added 11GB so that we're not taxing the vram to the edge constantly, let alone to at least be on par with the 2080ti and 1080ti with 11GB.

From my over clocked 3080 game data so far, it has surpassed a stock 3090 with the in game settings maxed out @ 4K. (Cyberpunk 2077)

This makes the 3080 as it stands right now the best value proposition for high end gaming.

Oh btw...Figured you guys would like this lol.

How Cyberpunk 2077 sees these flashy new cards.


Pretty much sums it up.

 

True, I can still return it till January 21st at Best Buy so I still have over a month to come to grips with my buyers remorse. If I sold it, it would be at or near what I paid + S&H and PayPal fees to a board member and I'd completely avoid eBay for this one. If eBay was the only option I'd just return it. I'm not a scalper'esque type of buyer/seller and for GPUs and CPUs eBay is Thunderdome right now in the worst way.

 

just having the chance when the time comes is better than not.

Everything is overpriced, that's nothing new.

Depends on who is benching 3080 for points. With the right hardware and user, a 3080 is capable of 44k+ gpu scores un modded and on air. So put yourself in those shoes and you see where i'm going with that. Pretty sure you would kill your 2080 Ti.

And benching has never been a great value. At least for me it hasn't been, but then this is my hobby so that cuts into the rationality of the situation.

I got in at 9:05 AM. I started at 8:58 AM

I'm playing that game now with my 3090 FTW3 Ultra at stock settings. The game is taking me some time to get use to though. Playing it on the hardest setting. First time Cyberpunk player here. Game uses far less Vram + Ram than Coldwar does. That game maxed out is using 18.5G + another 10G system memory.

Could be bots or could be just a lot of people trying to get in. Hard to say at this point.

 

To add, my 3080 on the stock blower churns out ~46500, which is nuts. The 30 series is far more exciting in terms of bench excitement than the 20 series IMO.

Also, aside to setting the graphics to Ultra, set DLSS to: Quality.

Are you playing at 4K? I'm curious what your avg frame rates are with the same maxed out settings.

 

Those are the settings I'm using now. And playing on a 144hz 1440P monitor at the moment. Have not connected to any of my 4K monitors as of yet.

 

UPS is really doing me dirty now. Earlier this morning my package updated to a delivery date for tomorrow instead of this morning, missing the overnight shipment guarantee I paid for. $66 shipment missed delivery date, but I was willing to be patient and give them another day to get her here safely. Now my shipment has updated to a 'delay' with no delivery date specified and stating I need to check back tomorrow to figure out when they can deliver it. So now I don't expect to see this package tomorrow. They also updated the 'en-route' to a new location, but still in my state. I tried to talk to the automated agent, and it told me UPS misplaced/mis sorted my package and that is the cause for the delay, so entirely on UPS. I took a SS of that provide to EVGA as I am going to ask for a complete refund on shipment. Staying patient, but still slightly miffed that they managed to mishandle a 13 pound package. I have the house alone tomorrow, took care of my honey do list today and knocked out the grocery shopping and errands. Tomorrow was going to be a day of coffee and clocking haha. Gonna head to the gym and try and work off some of this energy.

 

I got my order in. Now I am wondering if I have lost my mind, LOL.

 

Wow that was fast. What time was your timestamp when entering the notification?

Congrats!

 

Oh man, that's devastating, I felt that punch! It's a good analogy though!

 

Thanks. I am not sure what you mean by the timestamp when entering the notification. I was signed it at 8:55 AM PST, refreshed my browser as soon as the time changed to 9:00 AM PST and entered my Auto-Notify info. At 10:48 AM I got an email with a link to complete the purchase. I am half-tempted to leave it sealed and sell it for enough to buy a 3090 FTW3, water block and have a few hundred dollars left over. Looks like they're going for $3500+ on eBay. Absolutely absurd.

 

Oh ok so about 2 hours later. When you enter the info for the notification, it shows a time stamp at the bottom of the confirmation message. I was too signed in at about 5 til' 9am, but wasn't able to get the browser to work until about 15 mins later.

I'd say keep it. You're plan is good... it's a win win option.