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I’m right there with you man. I looked at myself in the mirror after ordering asking myself have I lost my mind. I’d say don’t go FTW3. If you’re going in this deep, just get the GPU that is done properly. The access to voltage controls and classy tool are more than worth the difference.

At this rate you’ll have yours before me and I’ve been on a waiting list for weeks lol.

 

If I keep it I am waiting for one of these waterblocks. https://optimuspc.com/products/absolute-gpu-block-ftw3-3080-3090

I got an email that they would soon be working on one for the K|NGP|N 3090.

 

Ditto...those are excellent blocks...They're pretty backed up, but seem to be rolling out some of the first and second batch of orders right now. I'm pretty confident that they perform better than hydro copper as well from the data and from what others have reported.

I'm using the Optimus CPU block, Fittings and Pump/Res Combo and they are truly the best. The CPU block does require a bit more up keep as those fins are so fine that even the tiniest of build up can block the flow all together... I've been flushing my loop with cycling in some fresh Di H20 and growth inhibitors to keep the fluids fresh.

 

It is always what you wanted deep down inside. Congrats!

Think of all the fun modding, benching, cooling and pushing adventures you have in front of you.

 

LOL, I assume I'm deep down on the list. I didn't hit the notify button until sometime around 1230pm EST. Looks like you might get it before they stop shipping the GPUs for their holiday break. Congrats bro.

I agree with brother @Johnksss There is no true rationale in what we love to do and budget does go out of the window. Even if you got the cheapest 3090, ripped it a part and applied all of your hardware mods, you are still taking a very expensive risk with your GPU. At least with the KP card (of which this is your first, correct me if I'm wrong), you get unofficial, official access to the voltage and other high end overclocking options you can't on mainstream cards. Perhaps you enjoy doing that with the "normal" 3090's but if you do decide to keep the card, you are going to see what others love about these KP cards and likely won't want another class unless it is a KP card in the future. And I'll say this, if you do keep your KP card, I'll definitely let you borrow mine so you can attempt some of those two card world records.

 

I totally agree lol... It is what it is...

Here's a little food for thought though;

I know more people than I can count on both hands that buy ridiculously overpriced fancy coffee almost every day, 2-3 times a day. Consistently.

Let's be conservative and say $5 a pop x just twice a day x 365 = $3,650. Okay, let's take out the weekends... x262 days or so = $2,620.

(Mind you some fancy coffee can run $7.50-$10 easily. Aother major *face palm* of a price is a box of cigs... goodness gravy it's absurd. So for those smokers...eeyyahhhh.)

I'd rather enjoy a 3090 KP over fancy coffee any day. You can resell the card, but you can regurgitate coffee.

There's our rationality haha!

 

Thank you, bro. Doing 3090 SLI would be quite the treat. And, yes... this will be my first Kingpin GPU.

That is a good rationality and I can see the application. It won't work as a good excuse for me though, because I don't drink coffee... even the cheap stuff. I down about $3 worth of diet soda every day, so that would only cover a 3080, LOL.

 

@Mr. Fox
Congrats on getting on this group of cards!
And if you look at your notify page it will have the time you hit notify along with if they notified you with a yes or no next to it.
24G-P5-3998-KR 12/16/2020 9:05:38 AM PT No

For the extra 100 bucks you get quite a bit more than the top tier FTW3 Ultra. So well worth it. Hybrids can also take certain water blocks as well, while one waits on a full coverage water block.

 

Thank you. I am excited but it just feels messed up spending so much on a GPU. I suspect I will get over it, but I'm not sure that I really should, LOL.

This what it shows on my Notify page:
24G-P5-3998-KR 12/16/2020 9:01:55 AM PT Yes

I have a tracking number and Friday ETA. I will not be home until Saturday. I may have to redirect it to the UPS Store up the road and get it there.

 

DCS World (Flight Sim) @ 3840x1600 (LG 38" Curved Wide Screen)

RTX 3080 VRAM Usage: Maxed...


10155MB in OSD:


Sensor: Memory Usage

The 10GB is NOT enough for 1440p+/4K gaming/flying at Maxed Out Settings, in certain demanding games.

For 1080p gamers, the 3080 is more than adequate.

System RAM Usage:


@Johnksss, this RAM usage is on the low end for DCS as I was just in a test server messing around. In a loaded server it'll tax the RAM to the ceiling. Pretty nuts..

When you can post some screenshots of the game you were referring to earlier. I'm always intrigued to see hardware getting pushed to the limits..

 

Sure 10GB was allocated, but how much was actually used according to "GPU Dedicated Memory Usage \ Process" in Afterburner?

 

https://imgur.com/a/BmqHMkC

The eagle has landed.

 

Congrats!

Whoa, was that how it was delivered with the side torn asunder like that?

 

I've boxed up and I'm returning my NH-D15 Chromax to Da 'Zon and my Liquid Freezer II 420 will arrive tomorrow.

I also sold my FE 3090 to a kind board member, so right now I call this "Silver and Tan meets EVGA 1060" While I join the large waiting lists of something more economically feasible for my budget.

I'm not sure what GPU is in my future, but I'm almost sure it is going to be a 6800 class price range. ($500-600) when one pops up.

 

Now you know why your package was delayed and that could hurt the resell value of the card. Smh.

 

Card inside was intact, seems like a good sample so far.

EVGA customer support said they would send me a new Kingpin Box.

Unfortunately yes. I think the UPS machine ate my original box and UPS likely reboxed it and sent it on it's way. Very likely reason why the card arrived late.

 

Yay! Congrats! Mine is being delivered tomorrow and I am like 1,250 miles away. I'll be able to enjoy it late Saturday afternoon.

Yeah, that box damage is totally pathetic. EVGA, as usual, is being awesome... one of the reasons they're my favorite brand. They understand the box is important for numerous reasons, not the least of which is resale value. Even the packaging is part of the ownership experience. It is a collector's item.

Glad you have a good sample. It would be like having somebody take a dump on your face to receive a K|INGP|N GPU that was not a silicon lottery winner and I'd be looking for a refund or exchange if that were to happen. We are paying an asinine premium to avoid that and anything less than a cherry-picked extraordinary top 1-2% binned GPU core and memory would be completely unacceptable.

 

Well, as long as you don't do anything to the card, it will resale nicely. Should you keep it past its return window.

Just ordered mine today. Says it will be here tomorrow. We shall see.

Mine is a 32" Agon 1440P screen. And mine was done in game in real time. I was hoping to see the exact same data. To note, I did not cherry pick a point in game as the pick is where I was at in the game world.

Well hot damn!

 

See post #9018.

Or better yet here:

This is system RAM:


10155MB is the Memory usage output in OSD:


Memory usage: 10155MB ^


The point here is that DCS uses a crap done of V/RAM in general and I was just showing how the 10GB is inadequate in situations like this with those who fly demanding fly sims or play demanding titles.

It's no secret that DCS is a RAM hog within that community...

 

You need to use a newer version of MSI Afterburner to have access to that sensor I was talking about which shows actual VRAM usage, not just allocation.

 

Stock vBIOS pretty much maxed out, haven't touched the OC or LN2 vBIOS switches. I think LN2 provides 520w. Stock vBIOS seems to kneecap her at 450w. I think you have to email Vince to get 1000w vBIOS and some sort of NDA or warranty void is likely in order for that.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55038954

 

Congrats @Talon. Sorry to hear about the box. Wow... On the bright side, at least evga is taking care of you with this.

Now looking for some benches and data!

Sounds good, when you get around to it grab some screenies if can. You could keep the bar graph open as well to capture an average and to measure the delta of the mhz and fps. I'm just curious about how much that game taxes the hardware in comparison to some of the data I have as I'm always looking for the most demanding titles to test.

BTW did you try Cyperpunk 2077 w/ DLSS set to Quality + Everything maxed?

 

Memory usage is not memory allocation. I just showed that to you lol. My hwinfo64 is v6.35-4320. The dedicated memory usage data shows the same on hwinfo64 and AB/OSD, which is why I just use the AB/OSD mainly for organizing purposes on what shows up on the screen.

I also have v6.40-4330, which according to the change log has nothing related to anything relevant.

If you're that curious, you should get DCS and try it for yourself . It's both on Steam and Standalone.

 

Oh dear, that's no way to treat a lady!

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55039674

With LN2 520w vBIOS. Definitely opened the card up and hit held pretty much 2190Mhz the entire run. 2220Mhz peak isn't too shabby. Think the classy tool is needed to punch up the voltage since it ran about 450w the entire run with small blips above.

Also EVGA has already dispatched my new box from the warehouse. Their customer service is so damn good. Most companies would have likely laughed me off the phone.

 

Hey, some people like a dump on their face....it is a very small minority though.....very small! All through stories, not personal opinion!

 

Without DLSS, it drops to around 30 to 45 PFS.

Can you take some in game screenshots using the Nvidia overlay? So we can see what the 3080 looks like. As I'm still not using anywhere near 10GB of Vram nor is it taxing system memory either.

@Mr. Fox

Edit: 1799.99 to 1999.99 is 200.00 dollar difference. My bad. I had said 100.

 

That sounds about right. Yea I'll fire up Cyberpunk a little later when I get back in and play around. It's not so much system RAM with Cyberpunk, rather it scratches the ceiling with the VRAM knocking at 10GB's at 4K. If you're not playing at 4K then the data will be very different and not really an accurate comparison.

The 4K data was with the desktop hooked up to the 4K TV. My monitor is 3840x1600, which is what I play and fly at. I'll run some more tests with it at the gaming monitor resolution.

 

I’m talking about Afterburner, not HWiNFO.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/msi-afterburner-can-now-display-per-process-vram.291986/

 

It's the same data. I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to find more than what it it already is?

Refer to post #9444

"Memory usage is memory usage."

There's not much more clarity than that... if you're that curious please go test DCS yourself, assuming that you have the hardware to push it on Maxed out Settings and you'll see.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/55041327

15423 . I gotta get these scores in before @Johnksss and @Mr. Fox get their cards and come show me the way. I'll stop updating for awhile and go spend some time really trying to get it boosted up. I'm not really sure what the safe limit is for the voltages though. Sorta uncharted territory for me.

Also for you guys just in case you don't have it.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/0qdv6wm4eslbids/Classified.zip/file

 

Great stuff Talon. Could you run a Fire Strike and Time Spy and post those? I'm curious about the graphics scores. Thanks!

 

It’s not the same data, because “GPU Dedicated Memory Usage \ Process” is the actual VRAM used by the application and is different from allocation. Unwinder released that feature right around the time that reviewers were incorrectly asserting what you said, that 10GB is not enough.

 

The info above is memory usage, not allocation. Please read it carefully. I don't know how else to make that more clear for you. And yes, 10GB is not enough for certain high end games and flight sims, let alone other professional applications.

You don't want to be riding on the edge with taxing any memory as it often will stutter and cause instability. It's the same principle with power supplies and SSD's... Keeping it at around 80% of the capacity is ideal.

 

Definitely need that. The 2000W 2080 Ti K|INGP|N and Galaxy XOC vBIOS were the only ones that allowed me to crank up the voltage enough to matter with my shunt-modded 2080 Ti FTW3. I think there is some kind of stupid cancer algorithm from the NVIDIOTS that allows the GPU core voltage max to scale with TGP max instead of functioning independently.

So, if you or Brother @Johnksss find out where to get that (how to email Vince) please let me know. I'll want that almost immediately and it will most likely be the only vBIOS that I use. I leave my 2080 Ti BIOS selection switch permanently set to the 2000W vBIOS. No reason to move the switch to the position for the crappy firmware.

No worries. It meant the same thing conceptually.

Excellent. Thank you.

I've toyed with the idea of adding QD3 fittings so I can use the stock hybrid cooler with my existing water chiller loop rather than buying a water block. But, that might hurt the resale value. Although, I doubt I would sell it if it works as great as I hope it does. Maybe I'll just pull the fans off and put the radiator in a styrofoam cooler filled with crushed ice for benching until I can get a water block.

I will be putting the stock hybrid cooler back onto the 2080 Ti FTW3 so I can use it on the CPU binning system. Then the 780 Ti Classified currently being used on it will go back on the shelf for something to look at.

I am about 99.999% certain that you cannot give it an "unsafe" amount of voltage. I am only making a wild guess here since I am not able to test it yet, but I would be surprised if you can set even as little as 1.300V and it would take more than that to be unsafe.

 

You're right, I totally forgot about I'm not using my 27" or 55" 4k screens. Duh! Facepalm!

I emailed Vince as well. hoping he gets back with something soon.

I thought about that as well since I did it with my other cooler, but if one needed warranty service, that would pretty much void it. (Speculation of course)

 

And I was talking about VRAM since the beginning. Please read it carefully.

As long as VRAM isn't getting maxed out it's fine. VRAM doesn't lose efficiency like PSUs or performance like SSDs when over 80% filled.

 

Great stuff! Looking good...pretty good resource usage though yea?

Liking the game so far? It's crazy how good it looks even without RTX enabled... I did actually hook up the 1080Ti to play it for giggles and it still looked stunning.

 

That's exactly my point and what my first screen shots showed is the VRAM in AB/ OSD lol. That wasn't allocation like you keep thinking it is.

I think it's pretty clear that you weren't reading, understanding or seeing things carefully as evidenced by you continuing to ignoring the clear gpu memory usage data that I've posted up several times.

What aren't you getting? I'm genuinely curious. Are you in denial that there exist very demanding games and flight sims?

It's not that serious bud lol.. at this point it just seems like you're trolling or messing around, which is fine. I love humor. It's all good.

But to rest the case here you go so that you can sleep easy knowing that demanding flight sims and games do indeed exist and forget that you dared to use the word asserting. I'm showing the data, you're showing ??? Assumptions & Denial?

I've exited the game and restarted so that you can see the transitions, but the graph max is set to 10,000MB.


99.2% Memory Usage: (This is not allocation like you keep thinking it is... the point here is that the GPU VRAM is getting taxed to the very edge.)


Here you can clearly see the GPU DEDICATED VRAM getting taxed: (Again, this is NOT allocation.)


I honestly don't know what else to show to make this more obvious and crystal clear. As suggested, given that you had the hardware to push DCS to the max, go test it for yourself and share with us the data.

Update:
For the cherry on top here is the system RAM data:


Case closed. Happy Gaming.

 

Get off your high horse. It's clear you lack understanding but are too stubborn to try to learn. I tried to explain and even provided a link but it's gone completely over your big head. Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger Effect? I'm done here.

 

I'm providing data. You're providing denial. I think the picture is pretty clear here. Especially based on your reply, which is often associated with someone who is in denial. If you think providing data and facts is related to being on a high horse, then I think you have other issues at hand. In that case, I wish you well with whatever that is.

You have a hard time distinguishing the difference between allocation and actual usage of memory. I've provided the data to show you, yet you still can't comprehend it or accept the facts.

Anyway, all the data is there for you to sleep on, all the while you still have provided nothing.

Happy Gaming.

 

Main Gaming Rig: 9900KS @ 53x

I just did a full cleaning of the rads and water blocks, but the CPU is just running on a single 360 rad since the system is in maintenance mode with the 3080 on the stock blower. I'm still debating on how I want to run the tubing this time around.

Decided to fire up CB R20 and R15 for the fun of it... not too shabby for a primary gaming rig running on a single 360 rad. I'll take it. Imagine this 9900KS on the cooler...


* Quickest @ 53x... I'll take a stab at 54x once I get all three rads hooked up.




* I think I can top the 53x category as it's not too far off... This was just a few runs...

 

Remember save any stickers before you start the cleaning (RMA/warranty cases etc). Jay Z (bought) an Ultrasonic cleaner

Have mentioned this before. Use correct Cpu-Z version for valid scores. The rules say V1.92+

 

Ah yes, I usually use benchmate that has the latest... goes to show how long it has been since I've ran any benches on this gaming rig lol.

 

If I remember correct. The one in Benchmate is also too old And from 2021 it will be minimum V1.94+(latest version)

 

I remember reading the announcement on hwbot, but that was a while ago. Time flies!

Wow benchmate hasn't had an update for a long time (20.12.2019 BenchMate 0.10.5)
..sheesh.. I prefer standalone anyway.

Speaking of hwbot..what a hot mess...what happened? LOL

 

They fiddle with implementing new rules/future revision, + the on going server mess/bugs that will never end. A free service will always suffer... https://community.hwbot.org/topic/2...isplayed/?tab=comments#elControls_573844_menu

Status quo

 

Bummer... Hope that they get things together. Shame...

 

Looks fairly good, but I hate the gun and car mechanics with a passion! This game reminds me of playing GTA 5, but with more nudity and hacking and bad buys just running all over the place.

So I was looking for a full screenshot of yours. Since you are running new nvidia drivers you should also have Geforce Experience install that has the overlay. Bring that up in game as well, then hit Windows+alt+Prtscr to get a full picture. Looking that those portions of a screen I can't tell where you ar at in game and what's going on.

 

Sure thing NP. Yea Cyberpunk 2077 = GTA meets Total Recall. The visuals with the level of details are stunning, but other aspects of it could use some help.

I have similar gripes with GTA til this day with them not adding a working tach and gauge cluster to the cars. After all it's Grand Theft Auto eh?

Nonetheless Cyberpunk is a refreshing addition to the line of demanding titles. It's fun to just mess around like in GTA.