*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Haha I feel you brother, I have not taken them off the heatspreaders off because the ram is too expensive. I think I bought the kit because the Ripjaws V/Trident Z at those frequencies were unavailable. Even a quick search on Newegg today only shows one available
F4-4000C17D-32GVKB. Right now, I am using them in rainbow vomit mode because my Gaming X Trio lost RGB control when I flashed the 520W KP Vbios.

 

Oh, I didn't see those. Thanks. Hopefully, they'll overclock as well as (or better than) these single-sided B-die sticks I have. I'm sure they will if they are basically the same modules as the Royal. If not, NewEgg will get them back on RMA after a couple of days tinkering.

 

I mean RMA'ing ram because it's not a great overclocker sounds unethical to me.

 

One of a few reasons I went with the generic black heat sink version. Those things are really blingy in a bad way plus the black heatsink models were much cheaper, same sticks inside.

For better or worse, I find when installing new hardware, it is better to boot with the old install drive first on the new hardware. It not only copies the Windows license but picks up on all your preferences including RGB items (mice, keyboards, etc...) without having to reinstall the RGB control software. I did this when I had my Z490 Strix and Logitech mouse. Did a primary install with my M$ account, set everything how I liked with the Asus and Logitech crap, updated all the various BIOS and firmwares then nuked it, reinstall, clean, boom M$ account had all my RGB preferences without having to reinstall the software. Even when I returned the Strix and switched back to my RMA'd FTW Z390, as soon as I signed in it set my mouse to the right color from the previous primary settings I had set on the Strix Z490. Another bonus using a M$ account, I've accumulated so many Windows licenses that new hardware I just go in and transfer one of the old licenses to the new hardware.

This is, of course if you're willing to use a M$ account and dance with the devil in the pale moon light.

 

No, not when it is not suitable for the purpose for which it was purchased. I've done the same thing with mobos about 6 times in the past few years. Companies shouldn't sell overpriced enthusiast products that are junk and then they wouldn't have to deal with returns of unfit mediocre garbage. If they would include all important specifications like the IC brand and part number in the product details that would help them avoid returns. Whether out of intent or ignorance, when they do not disclose such important information they are inviting people to buy and return. I would never purchase RAM that had S.K. Hynix ICs and I have returned more than a half dozen RAM kits for that reason. The only way to identify the IC on most of them is to buy it to find out. I'm not going to be a dumping ground for their half-baked rubbish... that is unethical on their part.

Edit: Even their photos can be misleading. When I was doing the X170 testing and mods I purchased a Patriot SO-DIMM kit that very clearly showed photos of an IC with Samsung B-die. I did the research and verified the IC part number shown in the photo. It arrived with S.K. Hynix chips. I tested the kit to confirm it ran like crap (as expected) and returned them the next day. The reason for the return was "defective" and "not as advertised" and no questions were asked. I did mention the misleading photos and included one as an example. I also posted a review to warn others of the deception.

I generally avoid having an internet connection and use a local account and disable Windows Update before connecting to the web. One of the reasons I try to avoid RGB products is because of the extra software payload that needs to accompany it, and I do not want the Redmond Reprobates deciding what I want to install. I generally do not install any software for mice and keyboards, or RGB products, because they create overhead, consume memory and waste CPU clock cycles, and ultimately impair performance. On top of that, I use none of the functionality the software provides, so it's that much more frustrating. It drives me nuts that Windows 10 manages to install Logitech, Steel Series and Corsair software for my peripherals and it is annoying that I have to remove it and disable things in the OS to stop them from doing that. The butt-load of crap that gets automatically installed on an ASUS motherboard against my will is nothing short of maddening. There are probably a half dozen proprietary Windows Services that magically appear.

The last RGB RAM kit that I tested and returned, Windows 10 automatically installed RGB software for it and three other brands because it wasn't sure which one I "needed" LOL. I ended up with Corsair, Patriot and Thermaltake RGB software showing up within 24 hours.

 

That's a great way to justify your actions. I still think it's unethical. They are selling you ram that operates at a certain frequency and timing, not a specific IC. If it doesn't run at the advertised speeds then I welcome you to RMA it. You can do your homework before you buy ram and typically it's spot on. Sure I look for B-die stuff myself, but I've never had to return anything because I didn't bother to research the ram I was buying. Sure it would be great if they would advertise what ICUs and such they use, but they don't. Motherboard vendors don't advertise the VRM setup they use, we have to look at things like buildzoid to figure it out. We just have different views on the topic.

 

Great video. Entertaining and accurate in application.

No more unethical than showing one thing and selling another. I think a return is both justified and ethical when a product doesn't deliver on expectations.

Indeed. Also a different tolerance level for tech trash. Another problem is when they pitch their trash as "enthusiast" when they know good and well that enthusiasts are never satisfied with status quo and never buy anything to run it "as advertised" because, by definition, that person is not an enthusiast. They are a consumer.

B-Die Finder (benzhaomin.github.io)

Some brands are worse than others about quietly changing spec without saying anything publicly. If it's not what I expected and wanted, it gets returned. If the vendor makes returns difficult, I buy from another vendor.

 

3090 FTW3 Hybrid $969

Sold.

link deleted

 

Questionable. Not impossible, but almost makes me suspicious (if not fake) that the seller is fencing stolen merchandise. Brand new at that price makes no sense.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA HYBRID GAMING - CLEARANCE SALE! | eBay

 

I have seen a few companies sell 3080’s and 3090’s at ridiculously low prices just as a F you scalpers. “Let’s help someone out type sale”


And they did seem like scams at first, but they were actually legit companies just pushing 3080’s for $500 bucks to someone who really needs one.

 

It is still difficult to believe because I doubt their ability to purchase them at that price through authorized channels even exists, much less at a price low enough resell them at even a small profit margin, unless they are getting them from questionable sources. I question whether the ODM can even manufacture and distribute them at that cost before any markup.

Many years ago I was selling Micro$lop Office95 and Office2000 on eBay as a "genuine" product that I was buying in bulk. Everything about it seemed genuine, and I believe it was. I made about $5,000 profit in less than a month selling it for 10 times what I paid for it, for about 75% less than retail. I was buying boxes of it about 50 at a time, came with a hologram CD and COA, shrink-wrapped. I had a few hundred happy buyers. About a month into it I was contacted by the FBI. They took a statement and had the person I was buying them from in jail. They were a legit product, but the source was not.

Ultimately, I had no regrets from that situation. I kept the money I made and the people that bought from me received a genuine product that functioned properly and was manufactured by Micro$lop. I made good money off of it, but had I known the situation was what it was going into it, I absolutely never would have dealt with an evil person and sold products that were obtained through illegal channels. I was a victim of deception. If someone really snagged a 3090 FTW3 for less than $1,000 I am really happy for them. They're lucky. I have a hunch that there was somebody in the middle that got screwed as a victim though.

 

Look at the past sales. They sold 5x of them all listed today....someone's account was compromised. Sometimes common sense HAS to kick in. What you end up with is a bunch of buyers who will take a chance knowing if its a scam eBay buyer protection will have their back.

What they don't realize is each time they file a dispute/complaint it goes on their list of generated returns. At a certain point, do it too much and eBay will warn you first that your return rate is high and may result in losing eBay buyer protection and eventually they will still allow you to buy but will not offer you return protection even with their 30 day policy.

 

I personally think it's ok that you're going to these extremes with finding hardware that's fit for purpose & returning it if it's not. To be honest, you're at the most demanding end of the spectrum of the most extreme enthusiasts, so it's not like these companies have to deal with thousands of you.......you would be the upper end of the benchmark they could hope to aim for, it's not much skin off their nose in the grand scheme of things to keep you happy. If anything it might give them some experiences/ideas on how to improve their products/services......if you're up front about why it's going back to them.

 

Those cheap sales on ebay are fake. And they didn't sell them. What happens is people report them as most have generic pictures up and that is an ebay no no. You have to have actual pictures up. then people make mistakes and pictures the wrong price up. They sale the same card 5 or 10 times, but do to their feedback score they didn't realize that the buyer has to actually get the item in their hands and acknowledge they have it, before the seller can take the money. 99% of any unopened cards going for less than MSRP are fake. And that for Charity is more BS.

The first 4 are scams.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...esc=0&Brand=EVGA&_dcat=27386&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15

And this scammer from Italy
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...H_BIN=1&_sop=12&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

He might have actually got the money...

 

A new one. And he have same feeling for unnecessary software as bro Fox

 

I'm not sure if I should be happy about that or not, LOL.

I don't think I have ever confused ceramic and latex. He has quite a colorful vocabulary. I don't even have a potty-mouth problem like that when I accidentally smash my thumb with a hammer. I find it difficult to respect people like that.

 

Looks like spring cleaning came and went, LOL. So much for frequent flushing. What is interesting is, I only used distilled water and have two in-line filters. And, I have run probably 10 gallons through it in the past year, along with adding biocide, a silver kill coil and Primochill cleaners between flushes. And, there's still some crud. This looks worse in photos, although it is still more than I expected. Cleaning the block did not decrease my temps by even 1 or 2°C. I was not seeing a problem or investigating a change in temps. I was merely curious what it looked like so I checked. It is neither slimy nor gritty. It's like a super-fine black dust of some sort. I am guessing it is organic.

 

I did this yesterday and boy what a change. I can bench 5.6 with water chiller now.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4648249_johnksss_gpupi___1b_geforce_rtx_3090_2sec_213ms

 

I run LTSC, and with my Gskill RGB memory, I don’t see any random software install. Now I have installed the Gskill app to play with the RGB lights intentionally but I have since removed it.

 

My 4930 with 3090 in it test....

 

I totally forgot I do have this I can try...

 

Managed to snag a FE 3070 earlier today, so that will do nicely. Considering this EVGA 1060 6GB hasn't been the worse experience playing WoW @ 4k, I'm sure the 3070 will light it up enough. Not full RT/Shadows enabled like the 3090, but maybe medium.

I wanted an FE 3060ti, but they sold out quick. I'll be sitting in the cheap seats watching y'all duke it out with your 3090's and enjoying it as always.

 

Damn, it wont fit. The one on the KPE is bigger....

 

Where did you buy them? My brother has been pulling his hair out trying to buy a GPU for around $700 bucks. He’s tempted to just pay $700 scalper fee for a RTX 3070 locally. That’s all he can find..

Man, can’t believe you let the 3090 go lol.

 

What do you use to flush those debris out of the fins of the waterblock? Those fins look like they bend easily. Also is that a Optimus V2 block ?

 

I used a soft-bristled toothbrush and baking soda. A toothpaste with baking soda will also work. The fins are not extraordinarily fragile and if you scrub lightly in the direction of the fins instead of across them you don't have to be overly concerned about damaging them.

Yes, that is an Optimus V2.

 

Hey everyone I am trying to quiet down my PC some. “For now” So I have ordered a new pump configuration “dual D5”

I currently run a “pull only config” at 1,650RPM with the low cost XSPC fans. They are not static pressure optimized though.

And I am wondering, if I ran Push/Pull with 500RPM Gentle Typhoons would I see a massive spike in temps?

So instead of running (6) 1,650RPM fans. I would be running (12) 500RPM high static pressure fans.


Any opinions?

Thanks I really appreciate it!

And I am even considering adding a 140MM thick rad on the back of my case to go along with my (2) 360’s. Maybe it’ll help compensate for the lower RPM.

what do you guys think? Would I see heat soak really bad? And much higher temps? Or should I just deal with the noise?

My 2080Ti sees a max temp of 40C right now.

The fans are cheap. And they are high static pressure Gentle Typhoons but only 500 RPM. I wouldn’t mind a silent PC. But I’d hate to set it all up, and just see some ridiculous temps, only to change it all back lol

 

If your case is large enough, consider getting a MO-RA 360 and mount it to the closed side of the case, or get the feet for it and leave it free-standing. This will require fewer fittings (less $$$) than multiple radiators, fewer hoses to cut and fewer places to test for leaks, and an overall less complicated and more efficient loop. The more water the system has in it the less likely you are to have heat soak issues. And, more radiator definitely helps and it accomplishes the more water capacity at the same time.

I use the slow spinning fans (1650 RPM XPSC) like you have with the MO-RA 360. They work great and running full blast they are not loud at all. The two thumbnails are screenshots from my phone showing the decibels from my chair 3 feet away from the fans, and the decibels with the phone right next to the radiator/fans. As you can see, not loud at all.

The fans are running full speed... all 18 of them.

Chair 3 feet away:

Phone 6 inches from radiator:


I was using the same cooling system (everything, including the Optimus V2 waterblock) with the 7980XE and it worked fantastic.

 

Well, looks like a price increase is about to kick off the new year.... So if you didn't get in last year on a new card it might cost you quite a bit more due to the tariffs floating about.

 

I know. If the price increase is more than 100 for the KPe 3090, I'm going to decline it and wait until next generation whenever that may be.

 

I think i'm gonna stay, because not sure if they will have SLI/NVLink on next gen cards.

 

Ok so I’ve decided to just add another 360MM radiator to the bottom of my case. It isn’t suppose to hold one there. But it would fit for sure. I think (3) 360’s in push pull will be sufficient “For now” with my dual VPP755 V3 pumps.

Not quite ready for the MORA3. It’s just a little expensive, and I would like all of the accessories to go with it too.

 

3*360 should be similar to a MO-RA 360. You'll retain some heat inside of the case, so it won't be quite as efficient, but fairly close. The added coolant capacity and dissipation surface area will be good.

 

Best Buy. They are the only seller of FE editions in the US. I had a 6800 in my cart from Newegg the other day but I just couldn't force myself to buy it knowing I'd miss out on RT and DLSS. I also had a 6900xt + PSU combo in there, but there was no chance of me buying that at that price. At that price I would have just kept my 3090. I did make it all the way to checkout and just had to smash the order button so cards are out there if you check the sites on the regular.

As for the 3090, I just couldn't justify the price vs performance for my gaming. I spent many hours playing with my mind drifting while looking over at it thinking, "I can't believe I spent this much on a GPU." I'm very cost aware and I know it was a monster card, a damn good bin and it maxed WoW @ 4k Ultra 10 RT max and it was beautiful. But I just couldn't reconcile the price. So I let it go, a fellow board member is using it for far more than my WoW play I surmise.

I was basically only going to get another FE or an EVGA since I pulled all my EVGA components I had laying around and started a heavy EVGA build out. I also wanted a 3060ti but I'll settle on a 3070 as it was $499.99 so that's not too bad vs $399.99. I'll obviously be able to do 4k, but much higher than low medium settings (5/10) and with RT on. Like I said earlier, If I was able to survive and do ok with a 1060 6gb @ 4k (it was a shock @ first), I know the 3070 will fix what ails me and I won't sit there in a viscous cycle of buyers remorse.

 

Yeah, I am still struggling with that. Part of me loves the KINGPIN GPU and part of me regrets spending such an absolutely asinine amount of money on a GPU. I doubt I will ever do it again. It's definitely awesome and better, but it is a truly horrible value. And, I expected more in terms of the overall mediocre quality of the component package (which I have already mentioned). I could probably sell it for a decent profit used. I'm probably not going to. I'd end up having less respect for whatever might replace it. The bar is set now. But, good Lord... what a truly stupid price to pay for something less crippled. It is unlikely I will ever purchase another in the future just because the price just isn't worth it.

 

Galax HOF OC Lab edition, man. OC Lab.

 

I've never seen any GPU or motherboard for sale on the OC Lab web site that was current. All they seem to ever have is EOL/outdated products.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-officially-increases-graphics-cards-and-motherboards-pricing

 

Luckily, I am not pushing the bar at your level and I can settle for SOME mediocrity sometimes if it is properly light on my wallet. I know some reviews really dial down on cost per frame and I see merit in it but things are much more crowded on the lower end before you hit let's say the 3080 and then your return on investment implodes and you know it to have the best. For that price, I'd expect everything to be wrapped in vouchers for beluga caviar and wagyu beef but that's just me. Look on the bright side, they keep selling out so you're definitely not alone.

 

Ugh, and it starts..... glad I got a relatively (ish) inexpensive FE 3070.

 

And, yes... those that were shipped already and currently in the possession of retailers will be sold at the same inflated new price as those that are to be manufactured after the announcement. Because they can, and because people that want one will lube up.

The new ASUS pricing makes the KINGPIN 3090 seem like a bargain.

 

It actually started a while ago, but I think they moved the bar like 50 bucks back then. When the 3090's first came out. they were supposed to be cheaper.

@Mr. Fox
They are inflated because of this bs tariff nonsense.

 

Perhaps. That's what they're claiming at this point. I bet if the tariffs go away the prices don't go back down. They'll just pocket the difference and continue scalping customers... maybe blame it on COVID-19, since that seems to cause everything now. COVID and 5G... the "reasons" for everything that happens that nobody likes, including toilet paper shortage, LOL.

EVGA web pricing hasn't changed... yet. But, they have nothing in stock. Everything 30 series, including basic entry-level GPUs, are "out of stock" so it will be interesting to see if their prices change when they eventually have anything in stock.

 

If my t440p could power 7 monitors in a way that pleased me I'd probably sell my desktop at this point lol

Never though my t440p would get this much mileage, it was more of an interesting cheap-o build that turned into my work/IT cert machine.

That being said, its not like I dont appreciate my desktop when I play games, but that value will diminish especially so when the P750ZM arrives from its overhaul.

 

Im most certainly getting a Galax HOF OC lab 2080Ti this month, if everything goes to plan. I can’t wait to play around with it. It includes the very rare and unobtainable XOC bios, and super rare voltage control application.

I love my current 2080Ti but the silicon really isn’t all that spectacular, and it’s a reference board anyways. Sure it flies, but it could be better.

 

WHAT ARE THEY SMOKING!!! Lol.

those prices are what the scalpers already charge us!

I’m glad I kept my 2080Ti.. My goodness. I’m laughing over here sitting between a 6800XT and a RTX3080 performance wise and my GPU is like almost 30 mos old.

And they’re selling the same crap, with new flair and less vram.. For ridiculous prices. And you can’t even obtain it


$500 for a 3060ti GPU?

The cheapest 3080 is $920 with tax?

 

Is their memory any good?

Maybe, but I would like to actually see it first.

As to EVGA, still waiting on how that is going to pan out. They haven't said anything yet, but new cards are suppose to show up "maybe" next week. So we will have our answer soon enough. People are already speaking on it that have been in the que since the old prices were up. and they stopped shipping on 12/16/20.

$739.99 + Tax. At our Microcenter, but you wouldn't know they had them because they don't advertise until after the fact. I was there the other day and they actually had 2 3090 Ultras.

 

On Top Of The Current Shortages, now also increased pricing... Consumers Will Now Be Competing With Miners To Get The Latest Hardware From Nvidia And AMD

Yeah, not easy for the gamers at the beginnig of 2021.

https://wccftech.com/astronomic-rise-in-cryptocurrency-prices-will-extend-the-gpu-shortages/

 

I know they are out there, but I didn't really run into to any miners at the store during the launches. Most were gamers trying to get cards at MSRP pricing. Whether to sale or keep, now that I couldn't tell you. And miners should be buying up all stray cards floating around now....

 

It's probably your typical (as in really great) cherry-picked B-die. I don't like the gaudy look of their heat sinks, especially the white ones. Kind of falls into the same category of tacky-looking as the Royal sticks. It seems like making ugly-look stuff is getting to be more popular. I've seen skanky-looking RAM coming from TeamGroup as well. Goofy stuff like wings sticking up and junk like that. I also don't like the looks of Galax's white GPUs. I'd have to take it apart and paint the plastic shroud black or dark gunmetal gray or it would drive me batty looking at a white GPU every day.