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That makes sense and I can see how that would be more of a challenge to deal with. I wonder if the Green Goblin did that on purpose to make shunt modding more of a pain in the butt on FE cards?

 

Probably, but Gigabyte has the same depressed shunts on theirs too. MSI and Asus and eVGA have flat shunts.

I wonder if NOT using flux, and just scraping the original shunt, then wiping it with 100% isopropyl alcohol and then not applying flux on the new shunt either will help with this, since that way, the solder should at least stick, then when you apply the shunt on top, instead of the solder just getting sucked on the new shunt (where the pure metal and flux are), it should be able to equally melt to both sides, provided you have enough on (you need more than required to fill the gap, since some has to wrap onto each surface). That's just my guess.
Regardless, the work I already did seemed to be stable so I'll try that if it comes down to it. Even putting a large elongated solder blob on the edge of the new shunt by itself and then just stacking it and melting that way. The entire issue is no matter what I did (flux or not), there was almost no attraction to the original shunt.

 

Same as last year

Bro, Fox....


Congrats with your birthday Getting older = being wiser

 

Spent the day trying to figure out anyway to mount the KPE in the DG-77 and keep the CLC 280 and that is a no go. Even the KPE on its own and the extra PCIe cables is a hot, tight mess especially with a Corsair HX1200 in there. The case is clearly meant for a 240 or 280 in front and a 120 in the rear. A 360 is only if the bottom has nothing in it and a tight PSU/cable compartment means if you are running something big and beefy space is limited.

I ended up moving my MB and PSU back to my ole faithful Corsair 540. I went with my NH-D15 for now because I spent a considerable amount of time with the lighting and cable runs on the DG-77 while also wiring it for as easy as possible MB and PSU removal without having to remove any fans or move any wires. It is ready for another motherboard and PSU that would take all of 20-30 min to install and get up and running and that was the idea. That's it for today. Run it as is now till tomorrow then install the KPE and eventually replace the NH-D15 with another 280.

I couldn't stomach the brown and tan fans so I had a single Noctua Chromax sitting around.

Here it sits and waits with the FE 3070:



vs the FE 3090 in there before with the full Noctua NH-D15 chromax:



I still have my eye on the meshify 2 XL but even looking at the FE 3090 in the 540 and seeing the massive amount of space between the KPE and 360 mount was still an eye opener.

 

It’s nice having room in a case for sure. I did the small form factor thing before, I wasn’t a big fan.

I have (3) 360’s stuffed in my case. And it’s not really tight at all. My case is classified as a “mid tower”. Even though it looks and seems like an actual full tower.

Having a larger case then needed is nice because, the time will come where something doesn’t fit.

I would look at the Define 7 XL. It can hold a 480MM top and a 480MM front radiator. You can even mound a 240MM on the bottom I think.

I might still grab a Define 7XL, if I decide not to buy a 3090 this week. Most likely I won’t get a 3090. But if one happens to pop up in the SUB $1,750 range I am gonna grab it.


Anyways. Have fun with the 3090 Kingpin. Maybe just grab a long PCI-E riser cable and let it rest on the desk.

I would literally ditch my case all together if I couldnt fit my 3090 inside lol.

Cases are cheap, 3090’s are thousands! lol.

PS, that 3070 looks so tiny! It makes your cooler and case look huge lol. The 3090 makes your case look tiny.

 

I don't know. I find soldering without flux to present challenges with solder not sticking. I wonder if standing a single strand of large gauge copper wire on end (perpendicular to the PCB) and soldering that in place to bridge the ends of the resistor would work well to resolve the air gap problem.

Thank you, bro. Getting older certainly has its advantages as long as your health holds up. I have been blessed with good health, so I am thankful for that.

As nice as some of the cases out there look, I cannot really entertain the idea of having to deal with all of the limitations at this point. It's not without some minor challenges of its own, but everything is so much easier and more convenient with an open bench.

 

That's a good idea actually. I don't have any copper wires but maybe I can strip some male to female cables and see if they're large enough for that. Since all I need is solid contact between the two shunt edges.

 

I hope that it works out well. Let us know. The most challenging part will likely be holding the first strand of wire in place along with the shunt to get it tacked and the opposite end won't require any effort to keep the shunt resistor from moving. If you have some fine side-cutters that let you snip it off flush with the top surface of the resistor, it may make things easier to solder things first, then snip the wire after the soldering is finished.

 

What a mess. Benchmate is mandatory to get Global and HW boints for some benchmarks on the bot. Become a patreon of Benchmate if you want points. Or just wait until you can download it for free on the Benchmate webpage. Last time, we needed wait several months to get it to work on some hardware. Be sure you save all versions. Beta or full released versions. You never know.


https://community.hwbot.org/topic/203573-ycrunch-25b-validation/#elControls_580436_menu

And here is more fun from today... https://community.hwbot.org/topic/190025-the-official-benchmate-support-thread/page/17/#comments

The brand new Cinebench - R23 Single/Multi Core benchmark from Maxon is mandatory as well with BenchMate. Yeah, benching has become fun.

 

Better to distance myself from stupid people. They have a tendency to flock together.

 

This is my second 540 (first one was all black) and I've loved this cube mid range size since I bought my first one for a 4790k buildout years ago. I love cases that are deeper vs taller....Borg cube style.

I *REALLY* like that EVGA DG-77 case, but it was quickly evident it wasn't made to handle anything major but look good with what it could.

I had a full tower EVGA DG-87 I bought early last year with a grand idea of a monster EVGA build but when it was delivered it was SO massive I was just stunned when I took delivery (watching the FedEx guy
curse his way to my door with it ). It would literally have required both my wooden file cabinets to fit and it was so monstrously tall I just sat there staring at it day to day on the floor out of the box trying to figure
out what to do with it. I finally sold it without even building out of it.

That was the same feeling I got when I saw that overclock forums member's Meshify 2 XL when it just dwarfed even the KPE and was so wide the AIO tubes were stretched almost straight/taut. Visions of the
DG-87 came roaring back.

The Define 7 XL has good height but that width would span both my end cabinets. It actually has almost the same height and width specs as the Meshify 2 XL and both support 480 top and front and 280 bottom but the Meshify is ~5lbs lighter (not that it matters).
Meshify seems more drive/server oriented than the Define but I do like the front look of both.

The first time you unbox an FE 3090 you just go, "Whoa....this IS a BFG!" Even picking up my FE 3070 I just went, "is this it?" It's so much more diminutive in status. It has zero coil whine though and runs really quiet while gaming.

You should just get a 3090. You know you want it lol. Go grab a 3x8 and have at it.

 

If I were ever going to go back to an enclosure versus an open bench it would be something equivalent to the Meshify 2 XL or larger. Cramped spaces are miserable and it's a nice tower. I am not fond of the design of the front panel grille due to the pattern on it. I think it would be more attractive with a plain mesh grille with no pattern, but other than that one thing it seems like a really good solution for anyone that wants a case that can hold a ton of large components. It would be nice if Fractal would make a similar sized case with a horizontal motherboard orientation like a gigantic Cooler Master HAF XB. I like the design of it, especially that it can be broken down and used like an open bench with the side panels removed, but it needs to be nearly doubled in size to be useful. It would be awesome to see something that accommodates dual 480mm radiators in a side-by-side arrangement on two sides (for a total of four 480mm radiators) or top-mounted MO-RA 360 on a hinged cover with hydraulic-assisted lift cylinders like a vehicle lift gate, and a horizontal motherboard tray.

 

Agreed, I really am zoned in on a Meshify 2 XL as my next case. It's very spartan in design. I was looking at a potential vertical mount (or making one) to slide the GPU over 3-4 inches to the right (facing) to give it more slack and center it more for display. ~23" wide. What I DO like is it is much shorter than the DG-87 which had so much extra chin and sides for aesthetics and didn't really add anything and the inside working space wasn't really that big. It was too extra for no tangible gain. opening it and exploring, I thought the DG-8X series was one of the most poorly designed case lines I've ever encountered for a full tower:

https://www.evga.com/products/pdf/100-E1-1236-K0.pdf

Back to the Meshify, the rad space (480 top, 480 front, 280 bottom) is extensive and I just like the "Here is a solid big rectangular space to work in without a bunch of RGB or fluff....have at it." The Define 7 XL is along the same lines but a bit more show ready for display with slightly less drive capacity. Not that I would ever run anywhere near those type of arrays. Either is ready for decent CL too or even a hybrid AIO like the X3 or Alpha Extreme or a monster AIO like the Arctic 420.

I looked at Cooler Master HAF XB type cases and came to the same conclusion. Much more space with adjustable side rad mounts that could be snapped in and could be elevated for rad adjustment if using AIOs or custom rads with plenty of space below would be awesome. That was what I was thinking when I had my 540 on its back side for awhile. A new case with this type of orientation and ports update would be great. Corsair's answer to the 540 line the 680 series I do not like at all. I'm not a fan of this new "attach glass everywhere" craze:

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ...Tempered-Glass-ATX-Smart-Case/p/CC-9011169-WW

 

I'm not doing backflips so far....

11900k is really starting to feel like a one off proof of concept chip on a soon to be dead socket and needs a shrink and refinements to be tangible:

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-11900kf-heats-up-to-98c-with-360mm-aio-cooler

Here's hoping I'm wrong....

 

Happy birthday @Mr. Fox

I was told several times that I would outgrow gaming and overclocking; described as, playing computer, in my family. Now I show them examples of your videos and thread posts.

Here's to another strong and healthy year, bro!

 

Nobody ever outgrows the things they truly love. What you were told is blasphemy.

I'm so glad and lucky my dad is also into the things I like. I was encouraged to follow my passions instead of being ridiculed for them.

 

I finally unhinged my wallet (ironic) and ponied up the $3USD for Port Royal and gave it a run.

Whew, definitely decimates my 3070 and even the top end results in their database for 3070's, nice.

 

So I just spoke to someone extensively on Elmor's discord. Seems like I need something higher quality to solder shunts that don't have flush edges. And a higher wattage iron.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076X1NYBB/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A3JT1WMW1VLY5Q&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00068IJNQ/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GPNHX1Z/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4?smid=A3H0LACWKJ270E&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MDTO6X7/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A2FGAWCX62OR7U&psc=1

 

Got the KPE kinda, sorta installed. I can definitely hear the pump, but under load coil whine is very low. Everything is wide open and right next to me (for example, I can definitely hear
the rear case fan too).

This card and 360 is pretty meaty. I thought it would fit easy peasy in my 540.....NOPE. I even flipped the fans around expecting a spacious front mount. Maybe the Meshify 2 XL is the right call. That NH-D15 definitely has to go.



So for now it is full on "just get it running" mode for now. Can't even flip up the screen as it hits the NH-D15 and the rear heat is actually warming up my NH-D15. I definitely would need more room for any type of clean mount and lines.





First TS out of the box before any playtime. Faster and cooler than the FE3090.

 

Could the packaging for the 3090 KP card get any larger? The question I should be asking, is which rig do I put it in? I have the 7960X sitting lonely on my test bench or do I attempt to stuff it into the case with the 9900K. Saturday is going to be interesting.

 

That packaging was monstrous. I reminds me years ago when I bought the collectors edition of the Star Wars MMO. Overkill aisle 1. Based on a lot of posts elsewhere, I was expecting some major coil whine as it seems to be hit or miss. The pump is front and center. Reminds me of my old H100 but nothing out of bounds.

What cases do you have from which to select for the KPE? Wife has the Corsair 175r which is the smallest of them all. DG-77 was a major no go and even the 540 which I considered pretty roomy has everything spilling out everywhere. The way she was complaining about her mish mash system and colors and how she was stalking my DG-77, I'm pretty sure I'll end up setting it up for her and syncing all her devices.

I already had braided a funtin 3x8 PCIE cable run. I'll sit that to the side for now till I pick a new direction for the FrankenBox.

 

I have several large cases. The DG-87 (of which the 9900K resides), my "open" Thermaltake Core X9 (I personally LOVE this case and I wish I could get another), Define 6 and many others. As you can see, I only buy cases that can accommodate E-ATX boards and normally those kinds of cases support 420 rads and etc.

Interesting Fact: I have NEVER used a case in the traditional sense...meaning all of the side panels have been left off. That is the reason why I don't buy cases anymore.

 

Thanks, bro. I turned 58 yesterday and haven't "outgrown" it yet. I was told the same thing about computers, gaming and music.

I'm still a metal maniac, too. It seems the older I get, the more hard core I like everything rather than the opposite... not mellowing at all, LOL.

 

1.4v and most likely not a retail Rocket chips. But again, 250w Package power and you still reach the tasty 100C on 360mm AIO looks damn funny Could be very disgusting if Intel had the opportunity to push out 10 cores Rocket chips as they did for Comet lake.

As a reminder. Rocket lake have AVX-512 instructions. And Aida64 FPU stress test support that. A nice combo if you want to stess test an Rocket in X170

 

You built out a DG-87? That thing is a tank, nice. I mentioned earlier it was so monolithic and dense I was trying to figure out what to do with it. I took it out of the box and had it on my other desk and every time I glanced over in its direction, the first few bars of 2001 would start to play in my head. I'd love to see the KPE housed in it.

 

I think I might possibly go with a Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2: https://www.newegg.com/black-phante...-tower/p/N82E16811854098?Item=N82E16811854098

I like the side radiator support. It is like a Lian li Dynamic XL without all the extra glass, better airflow and the dark motif to match all my gear now. The extra mini itx dual system support is gimicky but it is a nice cover for the PSU at its core.

 

What about something like this? https://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=77

It has a horizontal mobo tray option and an absolutely massive amount of space above and below the mobo tray, accommodate a phase change setup internally, etc. It seems you can configure the internal layout in a variety of different ways instead of the limitation of having it configured only the way they want you to have it. Seems to be built like a freaking tank, LOL.

Skip to 4:45 in the video...





And, then there is this monster...

https://www.mountainmods.com/product_info.php?products_id=725


https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-mountainmods-club.806672/post-24737806

 

That case reminds me a lot of the Thermaltake Core X9 case I have. But instead of 140mm fans, the X9 uses a 200mm

 

I think you could actually install a MO-RA 360 internally on the front panel of the Gold Digger case (see image added above).

 

Sheesh, when 3 front fans just won't do...... that thing is a tankbot wow.

 

The forum link shows a monster rad in the front. That is pretty massive in a good way.

 

Looks like it is even set up for dual PSU.

 

I like it a lot. Wheels can even be included. I'm going to email them and ask if it can support the MO-RA 3 radiator.

 

Very cool stuff.

Since they fab everything in-house, it would not surprise me at all if given measurements that they could not custom-cut a front panel specifically for the MO-RA 3 if it is not already a direct-fit as is. They may even already have the info on-hand from other customers asking the same thing.

 

I'm sure the wheels won't reach Apple's pris point Mac Pro with $400 wheels maxed out = $52,599

You could of course try get those shiny wheels from Apple store

 

@Mr. Fox no comments about the soldering iron I ordered? It's a good one, right?

 

Sorry, I liked your post and was planning to comment but got tied up at work and then forgot to come back to it later.

I looked at the links and looks like a good iron and a nice, broad tip for it to span the gap. I suspect it will work a lot better for you. The broad tip will also be useful to heat the ends of the top and bottom resistor at the same time. Getting the solder to stick properly across the gap between parts would be very difficult if one of the two surfaces is not hot enough to flow the solder.

 

funny meme...

 

Some good info in this video...

I am trying to locate a source for the Ziitek thermal compound he mentions. I think that this is the product. https://www.ziitek.com/en/products/TIFTM_100_35_silicone_putty_thermal_ga/2017/0916/3156.html

 

I watched it yesterday. Always good to know EVGA really do know how to differentiate between user damage and board level failures.

I've been subscribed for awhile now and I am surprised Luumi doesn't have a much larger audience.

 

I've been playing around with the KPE a little more and basically it is quieter than even my 3070 under load (which is pretty damn quiet). Only things I really hear (with it still being in the wide open FrakenRig ~2ft away from me) is the rear fan and the pump. It is the quietest GPU I
think I've ever used in the last 5-10 years. Once it is closed up in a case and move another foot to the left, it will effectively be silent.

The backside ram definitely is affecting my NH-D15. It is warming it up and my CPU temps by 4-6 degrees under load. Once I get a new case in, I'll be switching back to an AIO at the least. With the way my VRMs were overheating, I might give the Artic Freezer another whirl.

I went with the Phanteks Enthoo Pro. I like the rear side rad option and it is a smidge smaller depth wise (~23.62 v 22.05) than the Meshify XL and ~$40 cheaper and doesn't come with all the drive cages or overkill case fans I would end up removing anyhow.
It really does remind me a Lian Li Dynamic without all the glass, more rad options, and better cooling. I've spent considerable time around the LLD, and I just don't care for it.

 

When a water block becomes available, using the right product is going to be important, and it seems a thermal pad is not the right product.

I think that this is the material Luumi shows in his video. If Brother @Johnksss is planning on any kind of LN2 benching, he is probably going to need it for that as well. https://www.ziitek.com/en/products/TIFTM_100_35_silicone_putty_thermal_ga/2017/0916/3156.html

I think this is the same stuff from a source in Canada.
https://www.thermazig.com/sale-1152...y-continuous-use-temp-gray-soft-dsp-chip.html

@iunlock - maybe it would be good for your contact at OptimusPC to know about this for the KPE waterblock they are planning to release? The product is shown in the video here: at this point in the video.

Yes, I agree. I watch his videos often.

 

If the Hyrdo Copper and OptimusPC waterblock have the correct space and they do not make the same mistake by copying the dimensions exactly, a thermal pad would likely be fine on the chokes. It sounds like the problem is limited to the stock 3090 KPE Hybrid heat sink on the fan side because it does not have enough space for even the thinnest pad, so they use that other Ziitek stuff. After thinking about this a little more, if that Zittek crap isn't readily available, K5 Pro should work perfectly fine on the chokes. The K5 Pro does not have as high W/mK rating, but it doesn't need to for the chokes. The K5 Pro is easy to apply if you put it in a syringe instead of scooping it out and smearing it on using a spatula. Hopefully, the waterblock designs will take this into account and not have the same issue.

 

Work In Progress. I can set Vcore around 1.25V set in bios for 5.1GHz with no AVX offset, but to go for 5.2, I went with a 2 offset and still found I needed 1.32V Set in Bios to get what you see above. This is a 10700KF. I didn't find out the absolute lowest I could do with 5.1 or 5.0GHz, but definitely there is a voltage shelf to hit 5.2GHz on this chip. Even with that:



71C on the hottest core in non-AVX workloads.

Have to get used to GB's BIOS.

Edit:

And LLC set to High

 

I got to get another 1000 points in PR to get near you guys.

 

15.385K to be exact. :

I think you might want to listen to that video one more time as in his explanation he used the wrong pad and cause the cards choke to fry....At least that's what I heard. And the card was shipped to Vince in Taiwan. Not normal rma channels....

@Mr. Fox

Maybe not LN2, but that stuff looks like it would work for quite a few projects.

Did you order any of it yet?

 

I heard the Taiwan part. I thought it was EVGA offices there lol.

 

They do have an office there, but how many times have you actually heard them say they "repair" the pcb and send it back. You get another one in return.

 

If you mean K5 Pro, yes I already have some and use it in certain scenarios. I use it instead of thermal pads on the TongFang turdbook. But, the stuff that Luumi shows in his video I have not found a source to order any yet. I am waiting for the distributor in Canada to respond to my email.

That is very true, but I wonder if they have enough stock to swap out a 3090 KPE card for RMA. They may have a few held back for RMA, but with such limited stock, we might be looking at a repair first, replace only if unrepairable scenario.

 

K5-PRO has thermal conductivity K>5,3 W/m.K and should be equal W/m.K as
https://www.ziitek.com/en/products/TIFTM_100_35_silicone_putty_thermal_ga/2017/0916/3156.html

https://www.thermazig.com/sale-1152...y-continuous-use-temp-gray-soft-dsp-chip.html