*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Just had an online chat with one of the Newegg guys, and he tells me that most video cards should be back in stock next week. Of course the prices will be higher, because of the sheer demand
coming from miners. Quoted from him.
I will put my RX 580 on Ebay, and try to make up some of the difference, since I have seen used versions of my card going for $600 and up!!

 

Hope you can get as much for it. That would certainly help with the cost.

Have you checked the EVGA website to see if they have anything good back in stock?

 

Cheapest I have seen for my card on Ebay is $585 with shipping. Thats what an EVGA 1080 SC was going for about 2 weeks ago! I am kind of afraid to see how much they will be once in stock again.
The Ti's are selling for some stupid numbers right now....like 1200. Volta is just around the corner, and they are expected to fetch some crazy moola. Miners are ruining pricing.

 

Yes. They really are ruining things. Not too happy about it, but not much we can do about it. Kind of like how people from California, Florida or New England metro area where housing is insanely priced move to other areas where it used to be affordable to live and ruin housing markets by paying massively inflated prices because they seem like low prices in comparison to the lunatic prices they are used to seeing. Now we get all gouged on GPU prices because of it. Supply and demand, except that it works both directions and prices stay massively inflated because they got away with it when supply was a problem.

 

Expect vram prices will start to slow down in 2018. But won’t help much. Have money ready if you find a good deal. Don’t sit wait and think/hope prices will sink further down to bottom <if you really is in need for a new graphics card>. Hope that the greed will be less. Nope.

 

Knocked off six tenths of a second.

 

Windows 10 or 7? Is the raid your OS, or data drives? Obviously if its your OS drives, it is working fine.

 

So it looks like I am probably returning the TITAN V and going for something more interesting(Likely more expensive LOL) GPU wise....

Its not bad of a GPU, just lacking in certain things.....

 

Sounds like the driver didn't load properly, or it is corrupted. Try reinstalling the driver.

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What's wrong with the Titan V? I didn't know there was anything MORE expensive than the Titan V, or are you gonna buy one of their professional GPUs?

 

https://overclock3d.net/news/software/cpu-id_releases_powermax_-_a_new_system_stress_test/1
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/powermax.html

 

Here is a couple pages talking about it with a few test runs.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/page-97

 

I don't use stress tests to check stability. I, like Mr. Fox, use benches to check stability, although I do a couple real hard hitting for sustained encoding, like Blender with Gooseberry (only on desktops, don't like to destroy laptops and that one is a hard hitter at 20+ minutes of strong blender work with HCC CPUs, lower core count can be double that to an hour). But, always good to share. Plus, I'm sure someone will want to try it or compare it to P95 at some point.

 

I am so beyond aggravated. I sold my desktop a week or 2 ago and finally got the remaining money I needed to order my video card. All I need to finish my build is my video card and my tubing and fittings but I do not want to order that until I have my GPU and can plan out my loop. This card has been in stock since forever, I never saw it go out of stock, and it had the Destiny 2 deal going on. Of course after I sell my desktop, every god damn GPU in existence goes out of stock or gets marked up 100% I am so ****ing frustrated. I have been planning this build out for months, waiting and saving and buying piece by piece and was waiting on the GPU as it was $850 and I needed to sell my computer to afford it and my "friend" who was going to buy it gave me the run around for 2+ months telling me he would buy it and I needed to save it for him and then bailed on me. Now the card has increased to $900 (which is not a lot considering some of the other cards price increases) and is completely out of stock everywhere and has been for the past week or 2 and who knows when it will come back, and the Destiny deal is over. I delidded my CPU, have every other part I need and started my build but FFS this is so ****ing beyond frustrating I don't even know what to do. Going on vacation on a cruise at the end of Feb. and my entire goal was to get this build finished and up and running before my trip which probably will not happen now. Thankfully I have my laptop to use but this is ridiculous.

 

Yes, well that just sucks, sometimes the stars align like that! You did everything you could to create a positive outcome, the only thing you could have done was to bail on your friend and sold your desktop sooner, but you were being a good friend - sucks, but be happy you were doing the right thing, and it'll get built in the end!

 

I know it will still get built in the end, it is just beyond incredibly frustrating to have this happen and be holding me back, I should have just gotten the card first but was afraid to because it comes with the waterblock already on it so I was afraid that it would commit me to having to do my water cooling build which I was having mixed opinions on doing when I started planning this build out.

Really one of the most aggravating things is I rushed into buying this stuff when coffee lake came out, then it looks like the new CPUs are rumored to being pushed up to Q1 this year with 8 cores in them and will not be compatible with my motherboard so if I wanted that "best of the best" I'd have to replace my whole mobo and cpu again. At this point it almost seems like I would have been better off waiting for these ice lake or whatever it is 8 core CPUs to come out and potentially more news about Volta GPUs later in the year rather than rushing into the 8700k came out. I guess it is what it is now and I'm this far, maybe if the next CPUs are that significant of an improvement, I have enough friends I have been getting into PCs and PC gaming so if I really feel like I missed out in the next year I could always sell my motherboard/cpu and or GPU if something else comes out soon to a friend and get a little back and upgrade my machine without affecting the existing tubing and set up too much. Just aggravating, I feel like I rushed into this, wasn't paying enough attention to PC part prices and thought I was doing the right thing and getting in now before GPUs or RAM or SSDs went up even more in price, and they have only continued to get more expensive while buying the parts for my PC (and I didn't/haven't even gotten a new SSD yet I am just re-using my 250gb one from my old desktop to save money for now) and now GPUs are insanely more expensive than they already were the past month or 2, and that's if you can even find one. They are like unicorns. My build will still be epicly amazing and powerful when I can finally finish it but I am so bummed at the current situation and that I will be forced to use my laptop every day for a while constantly disconnecting all of my cables and monitors, packing it up to bring to work, coming home and setting everything up again to use for a night before I go to work again the next day and feel like I have spent more money for this than I really should have, especially when all things considered I didn't really "NEED" to upgrade my desktop anytime soon lol. Then again I should just be grateful that I at least am able to have a laptop that is this powerful and is essentially more powerful than my desktop was so I at least have a computer I can continue to use while I do not have a desktop. First world problems I guess.

Checked Newegg again for the hell of it today to see if there are any updates and now it is being listed as "OUT OF STOCK This item is currently out of stock and it may or may not be restocked" FML...hoping the card is not discontinued or will still be coming back in stock. I have all the water cooling parts I need, dual radiators etc etc...really don't want to resort to buying an air cooled card and not WCing my GPU, or having to spend more money on a GPU + Block now that is compatible with it and don't want to pay $1200+ for one on ebay or a used one....I don't even know what to do now. Can't believe I got this far in my build and everything seems to be falling apart on this one piece now.

 

1st world problems!

 

Cryptos just crashed really hard, maybe gpus will soon get cheaper and available again

 

I hope so, been wanting to go SLI but just can't justify those crazy prices.

Charlie

 

sli is so worth it you see my desktop specs well i decided to go crazy with my laptop specs as well.
I need me 4k 60fps and at the moment without sli its extremely hard.
Linking my laptop specs in the other thread.

 

Great, I just purchased a 1080 ftw for $650 Thought it was a pretty good price.

 

A bit useless to test that way for non AVX workloads though.

TITAN V is a weird product, I will elaborate in PM if you are really interested. A bit of a white elephant IMO. As for the second question, I will leave that to your imagination.

 

I also haven't had a chip that separates the two, AVX and non-AVX, yet. I may change my approach as I get my hands on different hardware.

 

Lower prices, or soon get cheaper?
AMD RX Vega 64 Owner Sells Card For $1200, Buys Nvidia Titan Xp Collectors Edition For $1138
"At the current state we simply can’t see how building your own gaming PC is feasible. It is truly a dark moment for DIY PC gaming, one that we hope will pass sooner rather than later. Especially after the recent collapse in cryptocurrency prices."

Graphics card prices are ludicrous. Here's how to keep gaming in the coin mining era-Pcworld.com
Wait it out
If you’ve got a working gaming PC already, just sit pat. Don’t bother looking for new video cards right now even if your existing rig is starting to feel a bit long in the tooth. Dial down the graphics settings and resolution of your games, or consider overclocking your graphics card for some extra performance while you wait out this nightmare.

And we can continue talk about *lower* prices, or soon cheaper...
Continued rising memory prices in 2018-Sweclockers.com

All we can hope for... Memory manufacturers can be investigated for cartel formation

 

Why so mysterious on both, it's not really off topic, as new hardware is interesting to overclockers.

 

I had a weird error (5 times) last night on HWiNFO64.
"CPU Lo Cache" while playing PUBG.

Did some digging around on Google and found that it might've been caused by low core voltage. I went in my bios and disabled IEST "Speed Step" (I thought I had done this already). Went back in windows ran HWI64 again and all was good but I didn't play any games after that.

Has anyone else seen this error before, and if so what did you find to he the cause of it?

Something else I noticed is that I'm constantly getting "Max Turbo reached" and "Max Turbo Attenuation" (or however its worded) in HWI too but, the CPU never gets to 47x since the Windows Cummalative update and bios update from MSI. Thinking about using Phoenix's Reg edit and disabling those patches. At first I didn't see much of a difference but now, it's becoming clearer and clearer that they are screwing up my machine.

Anyone know what's going on with these problems? If not then I guess its all related to the patches.

One more thing, I can't even run Cinebench R15 anymore at 5.0ghz. My computer locks up about 3 seconds in on the multi-thread run. Even tried reinstalling it. Temps never get above 65c while gaming for hours or running FireStrike etc etc. 49x is as high as I can go after the updates! NOW THAT SUCKS BAD!

 

I want to go SLI already, and I havent received my 1080 yet. I have auto notifications to tell me when stock has arrived at three websites, and by the time I get to the site, they are sold out again.
I bought this card on ebay, and is brand new for $650, which is about 100 more than newegg had them for two and a half weeks ago. If you keep an eye out on ebay, you can find a fairly good deal pop up for pre owned cards. It all works out the same though, since I sold my Rx580 for 120 more than I paid for it

 

Why Building a Gaming PC Right Now Is a Bad Idea, Part 2: Insane Graphics Card Prices
Miners, GDDR Demand & PUBG Gamers

Ludicrous...

 

I got an email last night that my video card I have been waiting for came back in stock on Newegg, went from $850 as the standard price for it, to $880, then to $970 when it was out of stock, came back in stock at $1,079. I ended up biting the bullet like an idiot and buying it, I know I will probably regret it but at the end of the day I am sick of seeing all of my money I have spent in the past 3 months collecting dust in my basement being unuable while I wait who knows how longs for prices to come back down and stabilize. When it came back in stock it also had a "special offer" for a "free" $180 z370 motherboard with it so I wanted to order it before I lost the chance on the deal since Destiny 2 is no longer an option, and before they sold out again. Sure enough when I woke up this morning the card still appeared to be in stock but they were not longer offering the motherboard special offer. Here's hoping I can sell the motherboard for at least $100 or something and get some of the extra money back that I spent. And here's hoping my tax return gets here soon = \. I hate myself for buying into this crap and giving them an extra $250 bucks that they don't deserve but I can't keep waiting after I've invested so much into this build and just want to get it built.

On the plus side, all I need to order is my tubing and fittings and I will be good to finally start (finish)building my machine. Probably going to get a PETG tube bending tool as well since I have no experience with it, and I need a few extra fans for my case and second radiator but I am not overly concerned about those right now as they are easy upgrades. Probably going to hold off on my custom sleeved cables as well until I get some more money coming in after what I just spent on the video card but alas, progress is in sight.

 

Don't hate yourself for being a victim. The price is regrettable, but you will be glad you didn't settle for a more affordable piece of crap GPU to save a few bucks. It might not be "worth it" in terms of price, but neither is it "worth it" to settle for a wuss GPU just because it's cheaper. As noted in the article, this is one example of AMD and NVIDIA not being at fault for the asinine pricing. You can thank the miners, DDR shortage (which might be carefully orchestrated manipulation) and Chinese PUBG gamer-boys being out of control. Interesting how the Steam subscribers count from China has exploded because of PUBG. I wasn't interested in PUBG before, and now I am even less interested. (The Chinese part of it is totally irrelevant, but anything that becomes that much of a pop culture phenomenon usually sucks to me no matter where it is popular.)

 

Absolutely stupid! A 1060 going for 1080 prices! Taking a chance and looking at pre owned on ebay now. Or Man refurb, for SLI. Or just may say screw it, and wait for prices to level out.

 

I'm with you there, I'm waiting for the prices to level out unless I let my impatience take over which usually happens...

 

I had my eye on a MSI 1080 ti couple weeks ago at Micro Center for $750.00. Went there last night after work looking to buy a couple SSD enclosures, the only Gpu's the had left was (1) 1070 in the glass case and a few 1060's on the shelf. It looked like a liquidation sale happened in the GPU section...Unbelievable!

 

It looks the same way on all the online retailers too! Everything says "out of stock". I dont think I have ever seen it like this before. Well at least as long as I have been buying online. Ive seen some really stupid prices on ebay, like 1200 for a standard 1080, or 1800 for a Ti. I cant believe someone would pay that much for a video card. I do remember wayyy back in the day, there was a card made by 3dfx, called the voodoo, I believe, and it sold for over a grand. I think it had 64 or 128mb of memory...lol

 

This is the awesome card I will use, while my Rx580 is being shipped until my 1080 arrives. I should probably do some benching with it

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADFR6BY0816

 

Used 980 Tis in the $300-450 range is the best deals out there currently. Not the best, but 1070ish performance at a decent price. Currently the only thing I could recommend to a builder. Nothing else, except Titan Xp collectors is worth the price. In fact, sli some 980 Tis and call it a day unless you can wait for Nvidia to drop Volta/ampere cards in a couple months, but you need to buy say of release and they will sell out in minutes.

Otherwise, wait for 7nm. TSMC says 7nm has 20% performance over their 10nm process (likely 30% over 12nm) while GloFo puts theirs at 40% over their 14nm. So, considering ram process loosen in 2019 and a decent boost in prices adding to performance, it is best to ride it out and save for an entire year.

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Why would Nvidia have to release new cards too early? And from what info?

 

Ridiculous!

 

Rumors put announcement on possible ampere end of March at the graphics trade show. History shows April/may releases. So, between March and May, I'd expect xx70/xx80 card releases for Volta/ampere on 12nm with GDDR6.

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....and this is why I will never buy anything from antonline! When Newegg informed me that they had some in stock, I saw the price before they went out of stock, and they were mid 600's. Antonline is gouging!

 

They need to have laws passed that treat this activity like scalping, although they don't regulate online scalping either, so...

 

At least Newegg is being somewhat reputable from what I saw before they went out of stock again. Ive been shopping there since they opened, so they will always have my business.

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59816/nvidias-next-gen-geforce-teased-ampere-unveil-2018/index.html
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6058...ing-16-gigabit-gddr6-next-gen-gpus/index.html
"
Heise.de reports NVIDIA's next-gen GPU architecture is called Ampere and it will be unveiled during GTC 2018. NVIDIA's GPU Technology Conference is not an event that GeForce graphics cards get unveiled at, so it would be a strange move - but remember, this is just a rumor. We could see NVIDIA use its Volta GPU architecture for the datacenter/AI/cloud computing markets while the new Ampere GPU architecture will succeed Pascal on the consumer GeForce side of things. But a GTC 2018 unveiling? I don't think so. I think we'll see NVIDIA host another Editor's Day in March-May, leading into Computex in June with its next-gen GeForce GTX series, and I can't wait.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59816/nvidias-next-gen-geforce-teased-ampere-unveil-2018/index.html"

"
Samsung's new GDDR6 modules are made on their industry-leading 10nm process, with Jinman Han, senior vice president, Memory Product Planning & Application Engineering at Samsung Electronics explaining: "Beginning with this early production of the industry's first 16Gb GDDR6, we will offer a comprehensive graphics DRAM line-up, with the highest performance and densities, in a very timely manner". He continued: "By introducing next-generation GDDR6 products, we will strengthen our presence in the gaming and graphics card markets and accommodate the growing need for advanced graphics memory in automotive and network systems". Samsung will be making the new GDDR6 modules on 10nm with up to 16Gb density, up from the 20nm-based 8Gb GDDR5 chips, with GDDR6 cranking up up to 18Gbps of bandwidth, it has pin speeds of 72Gbps. The company is using "innovative, low-power circuit design, the new GDDR6 operates at 1.35V to lower energy consumption approximately 35 percent over the widely used GDDR5 at 1.55V. The 10nm-class 16Gb GDDR6 also brings about a 30 percent manufacturing productivity gain compared to the 20nm 8Gb GDDR5". We should expect one of the first graphics cards in the world to use GDDR6 to be NVIDIA's upcoming Ampere-based cards, which could be unveiled as soon as GTC 2018 in May.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6058...ing-16-gigabit-gddr6-next-gen-gpus/index.html"

 

It doesnt have Quadro driver and proper cert etc.


I would rather pay a few thousands more for the proper quadro tbh.

 

You're right, and I sure as hell wouldn't settle for a "wuss" GPU that costs more now than what a 1080 TI should/used to cost which is the most ridiculous thing. I don't blame AMD or Nvidia and I understand they cant jack up their production on short notice like this and be left with a ton of extra product when the hype is over. I really mostly blame the retailers for trying to take advantage of people trying to purchase a product and marking up product by 100% because they know so many people are trying to buy it and even if they sell less, they are making 100% profit off of it. That is who I am most upset about is people like Newegg and other retailers jacking prices up to $1500+ for GPUs to try to cash in on people trying to buy a product. I think the DDR "shortage" is 100% manipulation to some extent. There's been a "shortage" for this long and prices continue to rise and rise for what, the past year and a half or more on memory? What gives, is it impossible to create more DDR memory? Is it some finite resource like Oil that we are running out of? Do we need to find some other type of memory to come up with? How has there been a "shortage" for this long without any improvements to production being made? No, there's no shortage...memory manufactures maybe had a small shortage temporarily, raised the prices, realized people will still continue to buy the product for the more expensive price because they need it and now they have had a taste of the extra money they can make so why put the prices back to what they were? I bought 16gb of DDR4 2 or 3 years ago when I built my old desktop in my sig and it was cheaper to buy that memory when DDR4 was still brand new and there were very few devices using it other than server hardware, and now what I paid for that 16 GB years ago, is cheaper than what it costs for 16gb of DDR3 currently. That is ridiculous. But people need it, whether it is enthusiasts like us trying to build new machines or upgrade existing ones, or whether its manufacturers needing it to build new prebuilt machines to sell to normal consumers. Everyone needs it so they have to keep buying it.

PUBG is amazing, however China is destroying the game and Blueholes lack of giving a **** about their community is going to be it's downfall. They created a hit game that took off more than anyone could have possibly predicted and now they are focused on continuing to try and capitalize on that and make as much money as they can rather than resolving issues with the game. Primarily hackers, and Chinese players playing on NA/EU servers. The majority of hackers are Chinese players as well. they buy the game, get hacks, play on American servers to ruin other peoples experiences (and maybe because there is more players there? Not sure) and if and when they get banned, they create a new account and spend another 30 bucks. That's why there is such an influx of steam subscribers from China because they keep making new accounts to do all the BS they are doing. It's bad enough getting teamed up with people who don't speak your language and you cannot communicate with, it's even worse to play against them and have them lagging and desyncing and being unable to hit them while they kill you, but by far the worst experience is getting killed by "o796234iugy" and having someone run up on your body and tbag you and talk trash in Chinese or some Asian dialect and then watch the replay and see blatant hacks. Now they seem to be focused on making new skins to charge people for and leaving it up to the end user to find and report players for cheating rather than really doing anything about preventing it. Plus they seem to think that they invented and have some copyright on "battle royale" game mode games and are busy trying to go after games like Fortnite for "copying them" instead of fixing their own game which already has one of the largest player bases of any game.

I think all PUBG has provided is how much fun, and how wanted a good battle royale game is, and all I am waiting is for a real developer like DICE (I know I know, EA) or someone to come out with a real battle royale game that takes it seriously....I see 2019 or maybe even the end of 2018 being the year of AAA developers getting on the battle royale band wagon and really trying to iron out the issues and come out with a real high quality game. Battlefield: Battle Royale anyone?

That being said, I enjoy the game and I still play the hell of it, but only because there is not other competition currently and once they have some real competition, I think they will be in for a rude awakening.

 

Its not newegg. If you look at the company who is selling these cards at these prices, it is someone from their marketplace. When Newegg actually has a card in stock, the price is not jacked up 100%. It is however higher than it was before, and of course it should be, as supply and demand is what dictates pricing for these items. I have auto notify set up with them to tell me when a few EVGA 1080's arrive, and are in stock, and I have only seen a modest increase in prices when THEY actually have them, and not their re-seller partners do. If you look at the screenshot I posted a few back, you will see it is etailers such as ANTONLINE, that are trying to rape us. You need to look at the SOLD and SHIPPED by.
I also have BH Photo notifying me when they had something is stock, and there was also only a modest increase in price. Of course only time will tell how bad some of these places want to rape us. IMO Newegg, and a few others will not gouge us, as some are doing right now.

 

I have a question about SLI bridges. If you look at my motherboard, would I need a 0 slot or 1 slot bridge? Or is it more spacing since I have the Nvme drive in between the slots?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144017

 

They come in multiple sizes. Best to check the MSI product information page to get the right one. Didn't your motherboard include one? Mine came with one. You also need to get the high bandwidth bridge for 1080 or 1080 Ti, not the "normal" bandwidth SLI bridge. Maybe Brother @Johnksss can tell by looking at it if the MSI mobo documentation is silent on the subject.

My Water 3.0 Riing RGB 360 TT Premium Edition pump started chattering and dripping this evening, so I am going to have to get that RMA'd by Thermaltake.

 

I think my mobo came with a crossfire cable. Is there a difference?

Well that sucks donkey expletive! Are you getting a replacement or a refund?
I love the xspc system I bought, would highly recommend!
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It's still under warranty, so replacement. I already submitted the RMA request to Thermaltake. They do not do refunds. If it ever fails again outside of warranty, I will do a mod to my hybrid GPU and use the 360mm radiator in place of the 120MM for that and get a 360MM or 480MM kit for the CPU like yours. I cannot complain about how effective this one has been in terms of cooling. It does an excellent job keeping the CPU nice and cool at 5.2GHz and c-states disabled.

I ordered a cheap air cooler for a temporary backup on Amazon so I can at least use the desktop while waiting for the RMA to run its course. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI ($19 after $10 rebate). Although, I kind of doubt I will be running the CPU 24/7 at 5.2GHz with that, LOL.