*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Haha, no 5ghz+ with that, at least not for long. The 8700k doesn't come with a stock heatsink? Or did you buy an OEM tray?
I ordered some elbow fittings for my h2o, so I can route the tubing better, should be here tomorrow. I also tracked my 1080, scheduled for tomorrow also

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

Nope, Intel doesn't sell heat sinks with CPUs any more. They were never good enough for overclocked K or X processors when they did anyway. The one I ordered is rated for a 180W max TDP, so it might be OK on a temporary basis. https://www.bjorn3d.com/2017/04/cooler-master-hyper-212-evo-review/ I usually see no more than about 160-170W in something like Cinebench or wPrime 1024M, and 125-140W in 3DMark 11 and Vantage. But, I suspect it will not be nearly as cool under heavy load as it was with the 360MM AIO.

Yeah, CrossFire cable will not work at all. Made totally different. Plus, it needs to be a high bandwidth bridge and I think AMD stopped using the CrossFire bridge before the high bandwidth bridge for NVIDIA was invented.

 

SK Hynix GDDR6 Graphics memory has landed, available now-Guru3d.com
"With GDDR6 now available, we do expect to see some announcement rather sooner than later. I honestly am not certain if we'll see any Volta based parts anytime soon given the current status of AMD Radeon cards, Vega is stuck with HBM2 and AMD's yields as the sales volumes show, remain low. Logic would actually dictate a set of refreshes from NVIDIA based on Pascal, then again that is speculation of the highest level. The reason I am saying this is that graphics card prices for Nvidia have risen as we reported a few days ago, indicating there is a shortage. It might simply be Nvidia clearing stock for the new stuff to replace it" Pick what you want of the possible scenarios

 

Do no intel CPUs come with heatsinks anymore, or is it just K series ones or i7s or something? I know they were not perfect or the best, but it was good to have something that would allow your PC to work and function right out of the box without buying a third party cooler, and if you were not going to be OCing they were typically more than fine. I know it's a little old but I ran my 2500k with a stock cooler for the longest time and then OC'd it to 4.0 or 4.2 I believe? And that ran fine for quite a while with no real issues or overheating or anything. I get that it gets Intels costs down, but it's not like that cost is reflected back down to the consumer, we are still paying what we always have for CPUs but now they don't come with a cooler so you can't even use them until you spend more money on a third party one which suck.

 

I do not know if i3 and i5 have them, and I do not remember exactly when they stopped, but boxed retail 6700K, 7700K, 8700K and HEDT processors do not. I agree to the extent of having something you can use temporarily at no cost (like my current situation) but otherwise have no use for the stock coolers. I think the fact that many or most bought something better aftermarket may have played a role in no longer including them.

 

All while charging the same price, thereby increasing margin.

Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

I've never really given it any thought or cared since the stock heat sinks are generally only good enough for running stock clocks. This is the first time I have noticed any comments to the effect that some may consider it to be crappy deal. To me it is kind of a non-issue. I place similar value on the "Intel Inside" decals and always threw them away along with the rest of the garbage like the box and warranty information that nobody reads. If I were building something with a primary goal of being extra cheap with a locked CPU and no intention of spending money on enhancements or attempting to run it out of spec it might be something that I would be miffed about at that point.

 

NVIDIA Asks Retailers To Stop Selling To Miners & Sell To Gamers Instead
"The sudden surge of hundreds of thousands of cards in the used market reeks havoc on the market and instead of a severe supply shortage the balance tips to a huge surplus. To the point where the GPU manufacturer is unable to sell their inventory and in some cases have to write it off at a huge loss. Something AMD had to do back in 2014 after the crypto market crashed and used Radeon GPUs flooded the 2nd hand market." Ngreedia + (AMD) just thinking about his own sick mother... Not on the Gamers!!

 

Think of the cost of $15-30 heatsink that you now get to keep that across millions of CPUs. It was a profit margin grab instead of allowing the customer to then use the extra to potentially step up their cooling on the aftermarket. If you had $90 to spend and could suddenly spend closer to $120, you could then get more options. Or, better example, you only have $60 for the cooler and now have $75-90. That is my point. You may think of it as nothing because you already set aside enough for it, but others build on tighter budgets and that, alone, could increase the use. Most will skimp, in part, on cooling with a view for future cooling upgrades while trying to get the fastest parts possible. Another implication is with that bit saved, they can sometimes step up the CPU selected one notch, if the higher end of $30 is realized. So, here I would recommend thinking of consumers with tight budgets, which is much more common than the enthusiast community.

 

Well, this $19 (after $10 rebate) Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is much better than I expected it to be. My temps at 5.0GHz on air are roughly the same as 5.2GHz on water. I did add a second fan for push/pull. So, not a terrible option for someone not wanting to push overclocking as far as their CPU will let them. Pretty respectable, especially for $19. I hope Thermaltake ships my replacement Floe Riing 360 on Monday.

Fortunately, fan noise does not bother me much. This is much louder than before when the fans reach full speed. @Robbo99999

 

Great news! I just got my system back together today, with new elbow fittings on cooler, and an almost "new" Gtx 1080 FTW. Ran firestrike at stock everything, and score went up 5000 points.

On another note, I came in the puter room the other day, and pressed the power button, and began to do some browsing. I looked down at the lcd screen on my keyboard, and the cpu temp was reading 74c. Of course I freaked and started investigating. The pump had stopped working for some reason. So I took the pump apart, and plugged it back in, and spun it with my finger, and bam, it started spinning again. I thought....great, after I recommended this to you, it takes a ****. I have no idea what happened or why, but thankful I am not on a customer support call now.
I know, you can see the messy desk in the reflection

 

Congrats on the GPU. That's totally awesome.

Glad the pump is working again. Hope it stays that way. Maybe should reach out to them and see if they want to replace it anyway.

I'm also pretty stoked that the puddle of coolant that was on my GPU backplate caused no harm.

 

Slightly OCed 1080, Ryzen @ 4.1 Firestrike

 

Yeah, I always have to clear my desk for the glamour shots due to the glass reflections. That looks really nice, bro.

 

I'm sure it's non conductive coolant in those coolers. At least it should be.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

Yes, it should be. But, you never know. Just glad it turned out OK. Hopefully, the replacement won't start leaking in less than 90 days.

 

All good again although I did nothing but start it up the next morning.

No more errors and able to overclock again so who knows? I guess it's a Micro$loth thing...

 

A Windows 10 thing too

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

Yeah most likely

 

Does the EVGA 1080 FTW have iCX? I can't remember now. It's nice having the extra thermal sensors for the GPU, power phases and memory.

 

Wow, that's good performance for a cheap air cooler - 70 degC at 136W load (although that's possibly a blip of 136W rather than having to deal with a sustained 136W)! Yeah, so if you had one of the best air coolers in there like my NH-D14 you can probably imagine how good it cool that chip. I'm surprised with the performance of that cheap air cooler - good value!

Congrats on the 'new' GPU, that's a sweet rig now! Gotta say though, that's one of the potential negatives of liquid cooling - more stuff to fail & go wrong, I'd get that dodgy pump replaced on warranty if you can like Mr Fox suggest below. Oh lordy, Mr Fox had leaking coolant, one more potential drawback of liquid cooling, but currently as an air cooling enthusiast I don't begrudge your guys liquid cooling, as it can provide better performance than air cooling in some situations.

 

Try putting all 3DMark related executables as "Prefer High Performance" in the NVidia Control Panel - it gave me 5% higher graphics score than "Optimal Power" setting. It's only in drivers over the last year that require that option to get the best in Firestrike, at least on my rig - it would be interesting to see if you get a bump in performance by setting that too, because in the past it seems to be just a peculiarity with my rig. Haha, and you can do better than that, you're only 9% higher Graphics Score than my GTX 1070! ( https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14342504) (If you max all overclocks out on core & VRAM I would imagine you can get 20% above my GTX 1070 pretty easy).

 

My 1080 TI w/slight overclock.

 

I dont have that option

No it doesnt have the ICX. You have to have the FTW2 to have the ICX cooler. Mine is the ACX 3. Mine is also the DT version, which I think stands for De-tuned FTW. Their are so many versions, I think I got confused. Now I know all the versions of course AFTER my purchase. It has a boost clock of 1733 instead of the 1860 of the standard FTW. Oh well, I will upgrade later after prices level off. Maybe get a Ti. This model however has the updated thermal pad, and bios, so it wont spontaneously combust. I am trying to push it to 2000 boost clock, but it artifacts and crashes the display driver. Here is my best firestrike so far.

 

EVGA is arguably the best of the best GPU brand whether you have iCX or not. All of the different versions can be confusing, but it is nice having so many choices in a space that seems to be headed toward becoming a domain of cookie-cutter crap with limitations.

The part of the iCX that I think is awesome is the sensors moreso than the cooler. In fact, I was not aware the coolers were different. GamersNexus has a YouTube video about the iCX sensors. Without them there is no way to know how warm or cool those components are without using hardware/thermal probes.

There is a difference between SC and SC2 as well. My 1080 Ti SC2 will overclock a little bit higher on core than the typical SC.

 

I just assumed that the cooler was redesigned as well, because of the issues with the over heating. Maybe that was just fixed with more thermal pads, and bios revision. Its okay that it is a DT version, as it is a huge upgrade from the 590

 

While it's only a temporary solution and I can hardly wait to get it back on water again, I am really impressed with what so little money got me. If I were just a gamer and not addicted to overclocked benching, this would definitely be good enough to get the job done.

It is rated for 185W TDP processors. I am not able to do any severe-duty CPU benching at 5.2GHz on air. 3DMark benching is working OK with 5.2GHz on air. Something happens to make the system unstable with the air cooling if I push the CPU to its limits. Maybe the internal temperature of the chassis is higher now or the CPU is getting thermal spikes that happen before it has time to show up in thermal sensors or something. Not sure why that is happening, but I hope to not need to care about what it is in a couple more days.

Absolutely... massive upgrade, indeed. Any 1080 that functions correctly is a beast of a GPU no matter what brand it is or what cooler it has on it.

 

Okay 3Dmark 11 performance

 

Nice! How much of an increase on the graphics score is that compared to the old GPU?

Does the graphics score go up if you max out the power and temp target sliders and click the apply button?

 

You should have the "Prefer Maximum Performance" option. It's NVidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings > 3DMark > Power Management Mode > Prefer Maximum Performance. Unless AMD CPU rigs don't have that option, but I would have thought it's just about the GPU, I think you have the option.

With regard to your overclock, don't forget to overclock the VRAM too, you can get good performance boost from that. My advice would be to simply leave the voltage alone (doesn't make a difference, can make stability worse in a lot of cases), and then max out your core clock with stability testing with looped Firestrike Extreme Graphics Test 1 (probably run for about 1 hr to establish the final overclocks, not the initial ones, they can be done shorter). Then max out your VRAM but use Timespy Stress Test to determine max VRAM OC (leave your max core overclock in place when working out your max VRAM overclock). Oh, and just max out your Power Limit too on the power slider.

Your core overclock looks massive according to GPUz, your core & boost clocks are 1815 & 1942Mhz, whereas mine are only 1707 & 1897Mhz, yet my core will boost to a temporary maximum of 2114Mhz in that state, surely yours will boost higher than that given what I'm seeing in your GPUz screenshots? But I would expect a higher Firestrike score if that's the case, as you're currently only 11% higher score than my GTX 1070. (Don't forget to overclock your VRAM though but that's not really explaining the somewhat low graphics score).

 

Its huge, I will post a screen of the 590 here. So you are saying to max the temp, and power sliders at the overclock at which I am running, and should increase graphics score?

@Robbo99999 Is that a massive overclock? . I am overclocking vram by 100 mhz at the moment, I dont know how much more it will take, as I am still adjusting stuff to try and figure out where stable benching is.

 

Leave GPUz Sensors screen open when you're benching so that after the benchmark run you can see what the actual core was boosting to during the run. From your screenshots I can only compare your Base & Boost clocks with my overclocked GTX 1070, and those are over 100Mhz higher than mine, but perhaps the core is not actually boosting very high during the run - that's why you leave GPUz sensors open so you can see what it's actually doing once you've done the run. You also want to max out your Power Slider, I noticed it's at 100%, increase that to it's maximum - probably 120% is the maximum but some maximums are 140%, some only 111%. Your GPU might just be bumping up against the power limit the whole time.

 

Ok, I do have EVGA XOC running while benching, as I just did another run. 2139mhz on GPU, and 5103mhz an vram. Physics score dropped with the sliders maxed on power and temp.

 

screen of 3dmark while running

 

Graphics score went up. Those sliders are limiters, so if you max them out it should raise the limits where using "too much" power and high temps cause the vBIOS cancer to step in and mess things up. At least theoretically. I run with them maxed out all the time.

The physics score can change from one run to the next. It is very sensitive to background processes, so it is probably just a coincidence with changing the power and temp target sliders.

Once you have set your OC parameters you can exit/close out of Precision X. It does not need to be running. When you are striving for a high physics score, shutting down everything that doesn't need to be running helps. You can use Task Manager to kill everything (literally) that is not needed for running the benchmark or Windows. It the service restarts after killing it in Task Manager, then use Services.msc to kill and disable drive indexing, Windows Search, Media Play Sharing, Print Spooler, BITS and kill/disable all third party utilities like XTU services, Macrium Reflect service, all NVIDIA services, etc.... everything that serves no immediate purpose... kill it. You can set them back to Automatic or Manual later if you care to after you are done benching. Most of them can be left permanently disabled until you need to use the functionality (like accessing NVIDIA Control Panel or running Macrium Reflect to create a new drive image).

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12617574

 

2139Mhz as a max seen frequency during overclocking is VERY good! (My max frequency seen is 2114Mhz) I think you've got a good GPU there. Just tweak the VRAM overclock to your max stable with some Timespy stress testing & then you're pretty much done at your final overclock. Then retest your Firestrike benchmark and I imagine you'll be around 25000 or so on the Graphics Score (guess, not looked it up). You do want to leave the Power Slider maxed out, and your reduced Physics score is probably an unrelated blip. I'd drop the temperature target to the default of 83 degC (or whatever it was) & just increase the Power Slider to 120%. Oh, and don't forget to select "Prefer Maximum Performance" for 3DMark in the NVidia Control Panel like I showed you - if your GPU is anything like mine then this will give you another 5% increase in score (but only applies to Firestrike on my rig).

 

The difference in memory and CPU utilization with the chaotic mess created by Windows versus what it is after you take out the trash is significant. A massive amount of the crap running on our systems is totally worthless bloat. See before and after examples of CPU and Memory utilization. If you have less than 32GB of RAM, it shows even more.

Notice the drop in CPU and Memory utilization after killing off only a small portion of the unnecessary crap. If I kill it all, CPU use is between 0% and 1% and memory is about 2%.
Also note that Service Host crap really sucks the life out of your system. It is even worse with W10. Where Service Host ends with a number in parenthesis, expand that and kill off individual crap that Windows will let you kill without a warning. If you try to kill the entire stack, it may not work. More example snippets below of the "bundled" filth. You might be able to kill 75% of the individual services rolled up into a single Service Host performance killer.

Besides wasting resources on worthless garbage, anything resident in memory or running in the background has potential to create a condition of instability when the system is under severe stress.

 

New Wprime record for me.

 

new Wprime and Cpu frequency

 

Okay, finally broke 20k on firestrike

 

Create and submit benches on HWBot (join premamod; we don't have a Ryzen on the team yet, but have TR, kaby-r, etc.) Just have to bring more points to the team.

 

Ive been on Team Prema for a couple weeks now. I have been submitting Take a look.

Something not right with my 3dmark 06 score. I will re run tomorrow, and see if it improves.

 

I don't know why your Graphics Score is so low for that massive overclock? It's only just a tad higher than a stock 3rd party card reviewed here by Guru3d, and that one reviewed only has a base clock of 1683Mhz, whereas you've overclocked it significantly higher: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_gaming_x_plus_8g_review,23.html
And it's only 13% higher score than my overclocked GTX 1070, and you have 33% more shader cores than me. I'm thinking you should get at least 20% higher score than me, probably more I think.

Did you raise the power limit to 120% like I mentioned? Did you also set "Prefer Maximum Performance" for 3DMark in the NVidia Control Panel? Maybe if you do those things you'll get a higher score.

 

Yea, I did all that. You have to remember that I am on Ryzen also. That's the only thing I can think of.

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

If I were going to guess, the GPU went above 50°C and most of the overclock was lost.

 

What was your max temp during the benchmark Raiderman? Mine will get to 65 degC during a benchmark pretty easy, and that still leaves me with 2050Mhz, are you in that ballpack of core frequency during the benchmark run? You're clocked a couple of notches higher than me, so you should be able to maintain 2050Mhz easy right.

 

Ya, I have the same temps, around 65c. Ive.never seen the core frequency dip though. I keep xoc running and it shows me on screen. Maybe I haven't disabled enough processes?

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

 

At 65°C the GPU will not actually run the core at the proper clock speed for the offset applied. That's just how Pascal is designed. 2050 at 65°C would be like 2100-2125 or so with the same offset at 50°C or lower temps. So, while it may not be dropping much, it's not boosting as high as the amount of offset might suggest. That's the main reason I have my GPU on water. They do not get hot enough to be a problem as far as overheating is concerned, but they do get warm enough to spoil the overclocking fun because of how retarded NVIDIA made Pascal vBIOS.

 

I have heard you mention that about the bios previously. Is it because Pascal is pretty much a maxed out Maxwell?

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk