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You got it. I wondered how long it would take for someone to catch on. You've always been on your toes, bro.
I've been using the same smartphone since late Q2 2018. I rarely upgrade because smartphones are super-boring and because I'd always rather save my money for PC part upgrades. I really hate spending my money on mickey mouse garbage like that. Seems like PC tech is headed in that same direction now. Now is a great time to upgrade to a better smartphone.
Hah, I’m even more outdated. Haven’t upgraded my phone since late 2016. Although this looks like the year, since the fruit company is finally upgrading to 120Hz.
It is against my religion to buy anything from the fruit company and the 7 or 8 years I had no option other than using their garbage (for work) with my previous employer was enough to permanently cure me, LOL.
I think this will be the second phone I actually paid more than about $45-$50 for. The first one is the one that I just purchased will be replacing and I only bought the last one because it was a BOGO free deal. My wife needed a new one, so mine was free. Otherwise, I generally go with whatever the carrier gives away for free or the least expensive option they offer.
But, the one I ordered is 120Hz. I will only buy brands that support rooting, or make it easy and do nothing to interfere with it. In fact, the main reason I am replacing the one I have is that it only just recently became rootable and the process is ridiculously complicated. Had I known that it was going to take so long to crack and be such a pain in the butt to do, I probably never would have bought it in the first place.
Its probably this forum that gave me new perspective on technology and its uses. That and there comes a point every now and then where I debate whether I own my machines or if its the other way around lol
The one item I am still hesitant on is using a sealed phone, I very much like the idea of my LG v20 and easily replaced battery, not to mention it doesnt shatter into pieces when dropped since its not sealed. Sadly its still the "latest and greatest" on that front.
If I need more performance I just tether to my tablet instead
Have you seen the stupid competitions on HWBOT where you have to LIMIT clock speeds? Every day we see more and more evidence that the world is being swiftly overrun by total imbeciles. And, if you do not agree with these morons they want you, and everyone like you, cancelled.
Since I have an 11700K I can assure you it's not even remotely close to as bad as the picture he is painting there. Let me just go out and buy my $500 Z490/590 16 phase motherboard and $400 K SKU chip then clip it's sack by limiting it to 125w after 56 seconds. If you watch the video, he says that during long, heavy benches, the CPU was dropping to 4-4.1Ghz. I'm surprised RKL managed to compete at all lol.
And before someone jumps in to say that is STOCK, Intel defines 125w TDP at base frequency. That is what you're guaranteed to get under all loads at that TDP. Then they go on and provide motherboard manufacturers with a PL2 and TAU recommendation, but in no way do they enforce that or make them use that when designing their boards. They leave it up to them to decide and implement if their board can handle it.
This is exactly what I was thinking when watching the GN review. I completely understand where he's coming from, but there needs to be a baseline and then there needs to be some meaningful, long time overclocking to get a better picture.
11700k is (in theory) a poor binned 11900k that won't "adaptive boost" where Intel needs it to go so it gets the lower tier (I'm looking at you 10850k) treatment.
What is basically going to happen is the better binned 11900k is going to drop with adaptive boost aka PBO2 and the 11900k will automatically do (to a certain degree) what anybody who buys an 11700k and Z490/Z590 should be doing first thing after a basic install which is go right in the BIOS and open 'er up as far as she will go.
Nobody in their right mind thinks 11th gen is better than the 5000 series overall, but it could be worse IMHO.
I'm seriously thinking of picking up an 11900k to play around with in my other case since I sold my 9900k and MB.
Steve's YouTube channel is one of my favorites and I have a lot of respect for him. However, I disagree with the position he takes about published specs. Vendors do have the freedom to tweak and enthusiasts that buy their products expect performance optimizations. There is nothing wrong or unfair about running the boost clock or overclock indefinitely on all cores. There is nothing inherently virtuous or more favorable about adhering to a specific set of values for power limits or boost time. In fact, I would be more inclined to favor a motherboard that does vary from default or reference specs over one that did not if the end result is better performance. I view it as a win, nothing less. And, that's what matters most. I find it more than a little bit silly that he harps on that as much as he does.
We do it all the time with overclocking and so does Steve. If Intel CPUs can do that and AMD CPUs are not capable of doing that, it's an AMD problem, not an Intel problem or a motherboard vendor problem. It is a bad reflection on AMD that their product can't and it's the primary reason I refuse to purchase AMD. Unless I am using a smartphone or tablet, I don't care about stock performance. Stock performance only matters to me when the product can't be overclocked. I mainly care about how much more I am able to extract from the product through overclocking. I know I am not the only person that feels that way.
Lack of innovation is Intel's problem. No question. If that were not a problem, Ryzen wouldn't be turning heads and not many people would want a Ryzen CPU. Intel needs to get their act together. The only thing really separating them is overclocking capacity and that is why I continue to favor Intel (and NVIDIA) and reject AMD products. If they lose that edge they have nothing left to offer me. If they lose that edge, then I won't want anything because I derive no pleasure from anything that sucks at overclocking.
Other than this one point, I almost always agree with Steve and I have no problem with him having an opinion that I do not agree with. Although the future is unclear for us, America has been a free country and it has always been OK to have an opinion and express it. (It seems that could be changing now. I hope not.)
When you compare only 8C/16T processors against one another the 11th Gen 11700K performance is in line with the other current Intel and AMD performance, significantly better than the older 8C/16T Intel and AMD processors. I agree it is not a compelling upgrade. If overclocking allows it to match or beat the current AMD offering in specific tests, that's an AMD problem and AMD's loss. If it offers similar performance and is more readily available, that is also an AMD problem. Having a product that is difficult to find for sale anywhere, and having to pay an inflated price for it if you do, then that is a customer problem and dramatically diminishes the relevance of that product.
An improvement in IPC is something we should all be positive about. The 11700K offers an improvement in performance over the past 2 generations of 8C/16T Intel CPUs. It also adds a couple of new features. Being unhappy about that is illogical. Yeah, it's old tech, no die shrink. So what. Change only for the sake of change is stupid and change is not good or important unless it enhances results. We should be careful what we ask for because sometimes change is bad. If a die shrink somehow resulted in a performance decrease and/or an increase in temperatures without a big bump in performance, then we'd have a very legitimate basis to complain that the "progress" is actually a downgrade and a step backward. There is nothing special about something being new or different on the basis that it is new or different. At the end of the day we measure results. Results are the only thing that should matter. Getting hung up on process is an unfortunately common form of stupidity, and it is sometimes severe.
Regardless... Intel have nothing to offer with this ge chips. It's just a shelf holder / chips to help on the shortage /
offer something to the big OEMs before Alder lake. And socket 1200 is soon dead. Buy a expensive high end MB with this chips isn't a good solution. Neither buy the cheaper boards in a combo is a smart move.
They should just let it go. Focus on what matters. Apple doesn't matter... they suck. They appeal to a small minority. The minority would be even smaller if Windows 10 didn't suck so much. Intel should focus on helping Micro$lop suck less instead of chasing crApple's business.
You see... Intel wants to please both sides of the coin. Offer Arm based chips for Apple and smartphone cores for Microsoft(BigLittle). Desktop chips will get 50% phone cores due Microsoft and notebooks. AMD seems to continue with all cores as big cores.
If this is correct we will continue see AMD as the new preferred chips on the bot.
8 big and 8 small cores won’t let come on top in 3D benches. You’ll need a very high IPC to compete vs equal amount real cores.
Yeah. Went from an S5 to an S10 a year or two ago. I do not plan on upgrading again for awhile. With smartphones, the apps are optimized enough that I'm seeing less slow down with time and sufficient memory and storage. Because of that, I really don't have much reason to upgrade. Even with faster performance on arm chips, the functional improvement in experience is negligible here, although comes in later on a different point.
This is, in part, prodding Intel to finally drop the useless spec and the way they purposely mislead on power usage. It's not a bad thing, just shows how bad Intel's 14nm is on energy consumption versus TSMC 7nm. And that is on energy, not performance. With the move to 10nm and adding in a boost algorithm, I'm betting with alder lake we see them drop the old spec to have a lower wattage rating on their chips.
I see this as not gimping Intel, just telling them update their spec to stop trying to make certain aspects of their chips artificially look good.
Either way, once fully shifted over to a floating boost algorithm, Intel and AMD will be compared on more equal footing, for better or worse.
This is where I disagree, slightly. The truth is ARM's recent development has put it on par or better than Intel's mobile low power chips. Qualcomm and Microsoft are looking at arm designs. Even Nvidia is looking to offer an arm design for mobile and other uses as a competitor to x86 chips. We've seen the development of ARM server processors for years.
Whether we like it or not, apple has shown ARM is moving from phones and chrome books into light weight laptops and beyond. We also are moving to backend heavy processing to servers (although the lock down, work from home, school over internet, etc. Bullshirt has shown the inadequacy of the US infrastructure, where our tax payer dollars were given to private corporations to update it and instead they pocketed that money and did nothing for decades).
That means apple's ARM chip changed the game and created a break through moment. Now it's just a problem of os and code languages, along with things like Rosetta.
Now, for servers, it will still be a long while for ARM to take over (although Nvidia is trying to do the ARM companion SoC to speed up processing without leaving the GPU to combat Intel and AMD's design of integrating the GPU, CPU, FPGA, AI accelerator, and other ASICs as chiplets onto a single package).
But ARM advances means we'll have an initial backwards movement in performance, then move forward like we have been.
Pretty much. Intel trying to do all while combating energy consumption is leading to questions of how they are moving forward. They are betting on energy efficiency to stay competitive. Who knows how it will be received.
I've watched a lot of Steve's videos over the years and I think you're right. He has almost explicitly stated this before in other power related videos.
This graph gave me a bit of a laugh. I only know one person who actually has a chromebook, and almost all my friends (including the non-technical ones) think chromebooks suck (which we all know they do).
The swap from the old Dell Inspirons at my high school for chromebooks around 6 years ago was met with much contempt from the students. Nobody wanted to use them. Now my university is downgrading their computer labs from the old engineering desktops to crappy all in ones.
My take from all of this is that chromebooks and low powered all in ones are mostly used for organizations to save costs. I can count the number of people I know who own one of those devices on one hand, and my friend group is a very diverse set of people.
I think the fact that they are used in educational institutions, along with crApple's crap, is the thing that gives meaning to the metric of their market share. That breeds familiarity and people find comfort with what they know. Without that introductory influence, lowering of standards and desensitization process, I think an irrelevance in market share would be evident. Rubbish gradually becomes accepted as the norm. People don't know what they don't know and ignorance is never identified.
Most things that exist serve a purpose. Hammers are used to drive nails. Screwdrivers are used to remove or install screws. You might be able to use a large enough screwdriver to drive a nail. It depends on how large the nail is and what kind of material you are driving the nail into. In every case you are going to bugger up the handle of the screwdriver. If you use a hammer to remove or install screws, the hammer will do fine, but you're going to damage the screw and whatever material the screw is designed to support. You might even hurt yourself. In the best case scenario, using the wrong tool for the work simply makes the job more difficult even if nothing gets damaged in the process.
So, yeah... Chromebooks do suck. I agree. But, I can see where they might serve a valid purpose as much as I think they are an abomination.
I think the most damaging aspect of the changes we are seeing in technology is garbage becoming status quo. For the average consumer, spending $250 on a Chromebook to communicate with friends and family on social media, read email and web surf makes sense. It would be absurd for them to buy or build systems like most of us are used to having for that purpose. Where the problem comes in is when their mundane status quo existence in the realm of technology becomes the only focus and leaves those who crave something more out in the cold. We are left with no acceptable options. Having good options is nice. Having no options, or lots of bad options, is never nice.
So, we now have a paradigm shift to retarded garbage like "gaming smartphones" and "handheld consoles" and a shift in software development to support gaming on anemic devices because there is no appetite for spending more for something better. There is nothing wrong with those options as long as they are not what we are left with. When convenience and cheapness are all that matters, good options begin to vanish. It's as if technology is focused on becoming like McDonald's to the exclusion of other options. There is no Red Robin, no Fuddruckers, or even Five Guys. No Red Lobster, no Outback Steakhouse or Roadhouse. You can have whatever you want as long as it is cheap, has a "value menu" option and it is deliverable on demand. If you're really 'hardcore' you'll step up to the Big Mac and Super Size it... which is the BGA gaming turdbook option. All of it leads to heart disease, obesity, cholesterol problems, clogged arteries, diabetes and death.
Anandtech had 3 articles showing
what Intel wants to do. Intel wants to make x86 licensing, IFS on the foundry business, Licensing I/O and other options esp they again want to bring Tick Tock back.
Tick Tock - They do not even have a competitive node Fab to build it like the old times where it worked but it fell when Broadwell came, since then we only saw Tick Tock Tock Tock...now Rocket Lake is even bigger failure, basically pay up for -2C4T and lose the HT performance for DMI boost and Gen 4 boards and lose the LGA1200 faster than ever, I doubt ADL will launch this year, it will be 10nm initial yields to the thin and light trash. So where is Intel's Tick Tock going to work, more like when, maybe in 2024 when they have 7nm ready with Meteor Lake. And by 2025 they are targeting unquestioned CPU leadership LMAO, that's 5 years and Apple is not going to sit and lay eggs, they invested billions into TSMC and A Series they are not going to squander it all away, even if their 10% revenue cut from Macs and despite services revenue cut increases. or AMD's Zen 4 which is on track for TSMC 5nm in 2022 followed by EPYC Milan successor and future.
IFS - TSMC has 5nm with EUV ready and working and proved effective vs Samsung 5nm even TSMC 7N beats that, Anandtech review of Qcomm SD888 SoC proved it with same cores and power consumption, can
check it here comparison of TSMC 7nm SD865 A55 cores vs the Samsung 5nm SD888 A55 cores literally nothing reduced. So obviously TSMC 7nm is better than Samsung 8N, 10nm optimized for Nvidia Ampere. The 7N+ is basically EUV 7N but abandoned. So as Andy Grove said there's only going to be one leader, and in that American corporations lost. Taiwan has the edge, TSMC Is the leader. GloFo even with Saudi backing they are done with leading edge, not even into 7nm now. Intel 10nmSF until it even comes by next year to Desktop ADL, I don't even want to go deep and waste time on reading over it at Anandtech. So who is going to come to Intel and work with them with their nodes, yes leading Semi manufacturing is very important but this is having no compelling option to steer this boat.
x86 Licensing / IO licensing and others - x86 is the pinnacle of HW computing, the biggest thing it did along with that old era of Microsoft and Apple (on the bones of Xerox, PARC) was to put computers in the hands of people to provide human advancement in computing which started with basic office to now, essentially everything from Entertainment, News, Science, Education, Knowledge, Fun - Internet. Moving away from IBM MF.
Intel had top class advantage back when Haswell came with first FinFet blowing TSMC and Samsung, GloFo apart, add the 14nm failure Broadwell (5775C is a solid eDRAM chip which Intel should have went for like AMDs Cache but Intel was greedy pig so they only sell that to Apple, even after Apple booted them they won't make it but instead ship K SKUs with that pathetic iGPU over eDRAM and increase the socket size with a 3-gen upgrade path) all of that tech advancement was lost and still losing, been like 7 years now 14nm came it's an engineering feat but damn it's too old now, their uArch doesn't scale, RING Bus has no successor, Mesh failed. EMIB product Kabylake G with Vega was abandoned from drivers too, Foveros ? I don't really know tbh, Apple already uses a special packaging for the DRAM for the M1 CPU, they really do not need Intel here. Maybe Xe GPUs ? AMD's RDNA already announced partnership with Exynos, It's already there for Consoles market, Nvidia exists for Switch. In Automobile AI, Nvidia is leader and Tesla builds their own. In Exascale and HPC Amazon and others use Nvidia and also CDNA is already in work.
So Intel essentially lost x86 performance, Fab tech, leading edge engineering "Time" so now x86 license, who wants that ? Microsoft Surface BS SQ2 type custom chip ? They already have Intel U series trash, AMD has even better performing APU parts from upcoming Ryzen 5000 Renior CPUs, so who is going to want that ? Tigerlake - Behold the new x86 trash cores + Skylake class cores in a 10nm design and embrace the crap ? AMD is going to wreck havoc, forget that even MX (rumored Apple processor gen 2) might do it at-least in SPEC that AT bangs about. Maybe new console ? Nvidia's new DLSS capable Switch is coming already so nothing is there, maybe Chromebook ? Google is too incompetent to even talk. Samsung ? own LSI division canned after failure of multiple processors on Exynos lineup. None of the consumer centric companies are going to, everyone will default to their OEM class thin and light garbage from HP/Dell/Lenovo. Maybe as per AT news, they will steal from TSMC and incorporate into their products by using their piles of cash. But still it's nothing like ARM since x86 products will be made by Intel and the X consumer product might compete against it, how is this possible lmao.
Maybe FPGA but Xilinx was bought by AMD too, so they are not lagging at all, I'm suspecting FPGA based RT technology from AMD. But it's a very niche market to even leverage Intel's Conroe days of profit and innovation.
ARM vs x86 Server sideAmpere Altra's new 80core chip, lost to EPYC Rome. So what is there on ARM on Datacenter side which is not custom ? since Fujitsu A64FX is full custom, so is Graviton2 for AWS and new Microsoft rumored ARM (every single damn corporation wants consolidation and central power since it's full control and save money from vertical integration like Apple) are also custom and all of them lose to EPYC Rome the server marketshare is over 95% x86 today maybe it will face challenge but so far nothing is showing it will as we have AMD to innovate thanks to them. Qualcomm left long back with Centriq being last custom design all their new SoCs are basic lazy ARM designs since there is no need for them as SD processors rival Apple A series in real world application tests not SPEC scores.
So for the immediate future all of them are using TSMC even IBM Power10 is on TSMC 7N, TSMC is simply having no contest here, which is where Intel's ultimate failures happened.
The below is just a continuation of that ARM vs x86 with more observations on today's computing landscape changes.
Coming to the OS side, and more consumer side all of these mobile SoC processors need heavy support from OEMs like Qcomm / Samsung / Huawei (doesn't even care and has spyware backdoor LZPlay with no BL unlock) same with Mediatek. It needs a ton of proprietary blobs to work. Goolag's Android is becoming like iOS because of Filesystem changes, API blacklists, lack of HW diversity (SD slot, 3.5mm jack.. etc) yeah this is tangential but it needs to be mentioned how everyday updates you see in Android phones vs Linux OS on Desktop / Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 do not need they simply can even run Win3.1 applications nowdays Agile bs spread through and we see quick software updates with instability sadly like Browsers, Windows itself into WaaS and world's worst DRM UWP system but at-least we have a ton of software that simply works or can mod like LTSC MSMG etc, that's the key here.
x86 reigns supreme because of backcompat and solid support for wide variety of Software - Throttlestop, allows to change CPU registers, name one software on ARM hardware that can do that, Custom Kernel controllers exist but need the Kernel mods and constant updates. While TS works simply, Cheat Engines - Yeah useless bloatware controversial stuff and low ring level spyware (Valorant, Denuvo Anti Cheat, EAC etc) user can control and remove them and customize but on ARM ? Chromebook locked down garbage, Macbook ? locked down garbage Mac you cannot even run 32bit apps thanks to Apple draconian policy, their new Mac looks like a mobile garbage., Surface ? Locked down garbage, even with x86 it's locked down thanks to M$ cannot even boot Linux.
Mobile phones ? BL unlock is so rare now, OnePlus has it iPixel has it but it's useless for Goolag phones due to stupid partitions. Sony does it but it's wiping DRM keys for DSP and etc stuff, Samsung but no more warranty nor repair, LG is gone sadly, what's left lol to control the phone like an x86 computer ? None. Basically all mobile centric HW and now Win10 all are dumbing down people because simply they want to control people through their minds. Essentially using Chromebooks kills the young minds, when I was a kid I used to explore Win98, WinXP start menu and see what's possible down to registry, younger minds tend to explore but they are artificially blocking them nowadays you have a dumb browser with default censored search engine and biased news, now games also push same narratives of socio politics what's even there to discover and think for self, except to Consume esp the social media addiction and these dumb movies. So yeah x86 is king and will reign king for the proper "PC experience" since Linux allows even no Systemd distros ! it's niche but it exists, and Lutris with Proton also work for some, it's having Vulkan too without WDDM 2.x restrictions or Xbox Bloatware UWP garbage like Win10.
Anyways back Intel, so what does Intel have to even offer, damn they do not really have anything. They even killed Optane, 3D Xpoint is done ?
Micron also killed their plans. Real damn shame since we have MLC dead, only drives in market are 860 Pro MLC with superb endurance but so expensive, I would buy 2x4TB drives if I really have that much cash. Now it's all QLC garbage with that DRAM and SLC cache and insane high temp controllers in NVMe with reduced Endurance. Optane was superb but it's no more I guess. Why don't they really shut up and innovate on the x86 side like AMD is doing to push more for us people who really respect computing not waste it over some social media and e-protests on Twitter. Sad really how far Intel has fallen.
Exactly echoes my sentiments above, they are truly making younger generations desensitized and dumb as a rock AND making it the damn norm look at those BR shooters, insane MP fad games and mobile MTX garbo. Which is why we see more Apple crap type business esp with Android I observed it highest since my 10+ years years of Android usage experience with custom ROM scene. And the problem is this number is exponentially high, so all the fun is sucked out and left with the braindead products.
Honestly I am of the opinion that kids should be given a laptop with no OS where they should install there own decided OS that allows for them to complete their school work and home stuff as well as gaming if they so desired. Maybe something like a laptop with an MXM slot that is empty, if you want to game you got to save up for the card, if you get it, you gotta be careful with it, install it correctly after doing your research. All the things we do in everyday life, with training wheels of a sort.
For example, being given a chromebook just means school is always with you, no motivation to use it and technology becomes the symbol of annoyance and work you dont want to do. Instead give them a craptop to install something like androidx86 and maybe as a project determine the core differences between it and ChromeOS along with listing the pro's and con's of each. Its more constructive and you learn that there are differences between the walled gardens. Obviously the tech geeks would probably go for Linux Mint, Manjaro or Arch but everyone knows what Android is so it would serve as the mainstream option to build from.
I remember in High School being so jilted with California being bankrupt all the time, at the time I wanted to become an Auto Technician but no school in a 100-mile radius had an auto shop and even then woodshops were closing down all the time not that it mattered I had to lie about where I lived just to go to the high school that I wanted to go to but I digress...
More and more choices are being taken off the table, and what I hear my cousins being taught in school honestly worries me. I look at my 4 year old niece and honestly believe she could replace me in 10 years and then look at my cousin's coursework in California and wondering why they bother.
Speaking of which, did you ever resolve your 3960x issues with the memory channels? I was also wondering, the MSI 6000 series card, did you give it a whirl yet? Any coil whine?
No, unfortunately. Outside of buying a full 8 stick kit to test or requesting a RMA from AMD, I stopped going crazy about it. I know from experience with Intel's XCC chips, if you don't apply the right torx spec, you'll lose some memory channels. However, I have always used the AMD provided torx driver to install my CPU's.
Believe it or not, all of the parts are sitting. I got a basic 240 AIO cooler so I can test the mobo, CPU and graphics card before I go completely custom water. I'll set that up tonight and I'll let you know.
I've been looking myself for one. I know I am lucky to have a 5900X, but I rather have the 5950X.
11900k with a decent OC to 5.3ghz, but it is definitely holding its own in gaming vs the 5900x @ 4.8ghz AC.
Looking forward to the realistic benchmarks and tests tomorrow IE no, not extreme 5.3ghz+ all core outliers nor held down by any stock PLs. Somewhere around 5ghz all core.
Rocket Lake responds extremely well to memory tunes. The default latency is higher than Skylake and it's derivatives out of box. But this can be tuned really well, not as good as Skylake yet, but you can get it decently low and FPS scales.
I like that he was very upfront about the air cooling on the 5800x as those scores are way off. I recently re-installed my 5800x and did a cmos reset just last night as I was testing my brother's 5600x in my rig to see if his SFF air cooler was skewing his chip ranking (silver) with CTR 2.0 RC5, as CB20 was hitting ~74 under load. On my desktop it hit 45 in CB20 but still ranked silver so much better cooling doesn't seem to make a difference and it balked at -10 or lesser on most of the cores. I wanted to fine tune the cooling. It feels like it is barely a silver and really a super bronze. My 5800x was doing -25 to -30.
This is my 5800x stock (everything is reset right now as I just reinstalled it, cleared cmos, clean Win10 Pro bloat edition) for CPU-Z:
As for the review, 11900k @ 5.2 hit roughly the same CB20 score all core as my 5800x out of the box (it's somewhere in this thread) that was ~6115.
Funniest thing was his "golden" LTT 10900k with an SP102.
@Talon your 10900k off the shelf was better I think?
11900k SP71 is going to trigger a lot of 10900k owners who got SP63s that proceeded to live up to their ranking.
I'm still planning on picking up an 11900k if I can grab one @ MSRP late tonight/tomorrow to play with an Asus tuf (trying to be frugal here heh).... unless a 5950x suddenly falls from the sky and lands in my lap or they sell out.
My 10900K is SP103 so I guess it is a "golden sample"? LOL. I won't be getting rid of my 10900K, no chance. It's a beast and it's going into a long planned living room mATX build for my 4K OLED. The problem I have no is that I don't have a secondary GPU on hand and I am waiting for that EVGA queue to hit me up.
My 11700K is SP76, but I don't know if they are changing this score by SKU. If not, yikes. I have an 11900K waiting for pick up in the AM from Microcenter. If it turns out to be crap compared to my 11700K I would be surprised.
This is my 11700K 4.9Ghz all cores daily with my 3600 CL15 tuned and 1:1 in Puget Premiere Bench.
Intel is trying everything to sell its soon-to-be EOL 1200 socket/Rocket line processors. Open the door for more performance on the cheaper MB to make it more tasty for the buyers on the fence/those who struggle get hold on those popular high performance AMD Ryzen chips due the shortage. Yeah, quite desperate move from Intel when we know that
they prefer lock out everything that did not have the more expensive Z moniker.
Intel’s B-Series chipsets used to be lacking in overclocking capabilities. The new BIOS version aims to offer better value for the mid-tier Intel B560 chipset-based motherboards by enabling impressive overclocking capabilities. GIGABYTE has also unlocked memory XMP overclocking which can now reach up to 4800MHz in XMP mode by Turbo Boost.
Gigabyte B560 AORUS motherboards can overclock Core i9-11900K to 5.1 GHz on all cores
AMD is really forcing Intel to compete across the entire spectrum for the first time since the Athlon days. It is a beautiful thing to see.
Reviews are starting to leak out and this one slide from Jay shows the massive IPC gains Intel has made clock for clock versus 10th gen but still not on AMDs level but a heck of a lot better:
I assumed (correctly) that Best Buy might drop the 11900k some time after 12am EST up to 12am PST. So I decided to stay up and refresh while doing other things. I made it to about 12:30am and dozed off, woke up at 1:15am annnnndddddddddd......they had dropped and sold out already during my 45min snooze.
I wanted an 11900k to play around with. I did my stint with 10th gen.
All of my semi local Microcenters have 11900k's in stock but for $613.99. Throw in an Asus Z590 MB and I'm looking at ~$1k after taxes. That's a little pricey for playtime I'm starting to realize and both places are price gouging.
I'll wait for Best Buy to have them in stock for $549 or lower at this point especially after the plethora of scathing reviews. All the scalpers who snatched up the initial batch are in for a rude awakening IMHO.
Local(ish) Microcenter still has plenty in stock @613.99 (They sold 3 in the last 4hrs).
Newegg is now listing them on eBay @ $613.99 after shuffle selection ended with them included:
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