*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

MSI had just released a beta BIOS last week that did nothing to help, so hopefully this one will fix it.



On the positive note, I was able to set fclk to 2000 with this 5800x and B-Die 4000 sticks and no problems after Memtest, TM5 and Aida 8hr stress tests and no WHEA errors or audio stutters. So far, so good.

WoW is definitely smoother and while GPUs are usually bound @ 4k, those dips are greatly reduced or gone locked @ 60fps. Had one of my first major gaming/raiding sessions for 4-5hrs no problems.

 

Since I'm not really doing anything exciting at this point in terms of benching, I decided if you can't beat them might as well join them. Maybe this will pay off the GPU upgrade that I didn't actually need in the first place, or fund an OptimusPC waterblock (or Hydro Copper as a less desirable option) if and when either of those are actually released someday.

So, I am less than 24 hours into it now. Got a Trezor cold storage wallet so I can keep what's mine without some turdbag weasel hacker stealing it from an online wallet.

I still believe this though and wish the whole crypto-crapto mining thing would collapse. Not surprising, as unimpressed as Mrs. Fox usually is with my computing hobby, when I showed her money might be incoming rather than outgoing she was actually interested for a change, LOL.

Since I seldom use the turdbook anymore, I figured I might as well get something out of owning it and put it to work as well. The 3090 K|INGP|N is totally destroying the 2080 Ti in this task and it's a literal bloodbath for the 2060N.

 

Can't seem to get much more out of her. As expect, the i7 is a poor binned chip with the i9 hopefully being much better.

https://i.imgur.com/grRxFof.png

 

Yeah, not much gain over 10900K outside the added PCIe 4.0 support. Hopefully it will perform better with a bios update. Maybe check how it does in Aida64 Memory benchmarks.

 

True, I was waiting on the i9 to give it a whirl in a 590 potentially especially if this USB issue isn't resolved with the next update. I'm not quite sure how Ryzen 5000 series owners live with this. Either way unless there is a miracle boost in performance, it looks like 5000 series will still be top dog(ish).

 

You sometimes have to show the Mrs. how the blood letting has been minimized or even reversed to keep the kingdom happy.

Now you know why first hand why they are selling like hotcakes.

 

True on both comments. But, I'd still like to see crypto implode and become worthless. To think that something that doesn't actually exist and is based on nothing has value is flawed, and to have imaginary currency populate a virtual "wallet" (mine or anyone else's) for doing nothing meaningful is just messed up. But, I can see where this conceptually applies to so many things it is scary. We live in a really screwed-up world with a lot of irrational people, LOL.

Even with an insanely powerful GPU like the 3090, crypto-mining is a slow process. The imaginary money isn't generated in great quantity very fast and if you have enough hardware to actually make it happen quickly it will take a long time to realize a profit because the equipment is so inexpensive. If you already have it for another purpose that's one thing (like in my case) but acquiring the equipment for the sole purpose of mining doesn't seem like an intelligent thought process has taken place. It seems more like a nefarious endeavor for someone chasing a get rich by doing nothing scheme, which is actually a sadly common mentality in today's world.

 

To be fair, all money is imaginary. Any medium can be used as currency, and it's only worth what everyone agrees it's worth. We could use wooden blocks as currency if everyone agreed they had value. Inversely, gold would be worthless if nobody put value in it, which would be ideal since it's much better utilized as a material for the construction of wires in electronics than being wasted on making jewlery and the like.

I will wholeheartedly agree with you on the majority of your points though. The get rich quick mentality is quite dangerous, and it's stupid to pursue. Nobody is going to make a million dollars overnight. Even if you manage to from some stroke of extreme good fortune, you'll also most likely spend it all pretty quick.

I'll admit i'm in the crypto space as well to make some moolah, but I have a long term outlook on the scale of 4-8 years. It's silly for anyone to think they can make big bucks from investing a small amount of money for only a year. It can happen, but I'd say the risk involved is too great, and such opportunities are rare.

The mining craze makes it difficult for anyone who isn't a miner to get parts, which causes everyone a massive headache (except for the miners of course) and cause prices on hardware to go crazy high. People really need to temper their expectations. This is really the only thing I dislike about cryptocurrencies: it causes everyone to go wild. That's more of a people problem though rather than an inherent problem with cryptocurrencies.

 

Wise choice! Have you worked out how long you'll have to mine for to pay off the GPU (incl electricity costs)? I'm still in a queue for a 3080 at the following UK retailer, but like the company rep (named Gibbo) says it looks like noone's really gonna get a GPU in 2021!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34631013/

I'm gonna hang on & wait to see what will eventually be offered to me.....as it stands I don't really need a 3080 and I'm willing to hold out with my GTX 1070 that is actually probably worth more now than when I bought it! Nothing above a 1050ti really available for purchase in the UK at the moment. Yeah, so I'm just gonna see what the retailer eventually offers me....I may decline and get a refund instead at that point.....but seems crazy that new launches like 3080ti may happen in the current climate when customers can't even get the current cards that have been released. Tech world is on hold.....nothing happening.

 

It is interesting that mining performance of the 3090 is about double that of the 2080 Ti. System RAM speed also has a very obvious benefit in mining.

No I have not because that was never the intent, merely a potentially nice side benefit that was never factored into the purchase decision. However, I did check the electricity cost the first two days with all three systems running 24/7 and the added electricity wasn't more than a few bucks per day, with earnings about 4 times greater. I wanted to be sure the benefit was actually worth the hassle, wear and tear. I am still wrestling with whether or not it is worth the trouble. In some ways it doesn't really feel like it is.

Yes everything relating to PC tech is a mess right now. There is not much too look forward to unless you enjoy frustration and getting screwed financially. It is nearly impossible to purchase desirable components due to poor availability of everything. Even the undesirable mainstream consumer parts that are of little or no interest are scarce.

 

Push Mrs. Fox further on the $$$$ income and maybe she will say it's okey if you buy a few more 3090 cards. And it don't need to be K|ngp|n cards for mining Buy the cheapest 3090 cards you can afford(if you find some at prices you/she can accept) and put those on water Tell her that more cards is equal much better income, LOOL

 

Ummm...
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No.

 

Thankyou!

 

I hope it takes a s**, just so this guy (idiot) takes it in the shorts!

 

Performance-PC now has the 500A chiller in stock, the same one @Mr. Fox has. I'm seriously considering one.

https://www.performance-pcs.com/wat...tt-cooling-capacity-waterchiller-hc-500a.html

 

Do it, bro. You will not regret it. It is probably the single most awesome computer-related purchase I have ever made. It's a gift that keeps on giving from one hardware generation to the next. Considering how long ago I purchased mine, the price has not changed much. Mine developed a leaky tank, which seems to be a somewhat common issue with aquarium chillers. If that happens let me know and I will share what I did to fix it. I have no regrets and would buy it again without batting an eye.

Don't forget to add the adapters. The price of those has not changed... still $11.98. You will need them to attach G1/4 fittings.

 

After seeing the consistent gains over air with even these dual 360mm AIOs, I am pretty sure custom water is next for me. I can only imagine a chiller would allow you to eeek out every bit of performance across all chips for 24/7 performance.

 

Intel have released info of their downgrade flagship but want higher price point. When you fail, then do it double (25% fewer cores but at higher MSRP). Just Epic! Not every day you see the new perform worse then it's predecessor! All I can think of in my head is the newer OS from Redmond.

Intel's Rocket Lake Blasts Off With Fewer Cores, Higher Pricing tomshardware.com

As a result, Rocket Lake's flagship $539 Core i9-11900K comes to market with eight cores while the previous-gen Core i9 family came with 10 cores and AMD's leading chips stretch up to 16. Surprisingly, Intel has actually hiked its recommended pricing on its highest-end chips despite this seeming deficiency, signaling that it thinks its eight-core chips have the chops to take on AMD's competing models.

Yeah, bigger piece of silicon cost Intel more. Hence higher price tag for lower multi threaded performance with the fewer cores. Why not just eat the rootten apple and take the loss themself? Nope.

Intel chalks much of this disparity up to GPU and CPU cores that are physically larger than those found on Comet Lake, a byproduct of backporting from 10nm to 14nm, along with the increased number of graphics EUs. Intel could have shrunk or removed the integrated graphics engine to cram in more CPU cores to meet its power, performance, area, and cost (PPAC) targets, but integrated graphics are a key requirement for the high-volume OEM systems market that tends to leverage on-chip graphics rather than discrete GPUs.



Intel admits that Rocket Lake's lowered core count can lead to reduced gen-on-gen performance in heavily-threaded applications, but the Cypress Cove architecture brings a 19% improvement in instruction per cycle (IPC) throughput and Rocket Lake also tops out at a blistering 5.3 GHz that Intel says will help reestablish its performance leadership in gaming. Naturally, higher IPC and fast clocks help offset the step back to fewer cores, at least in most applications, but there will be areas of regression.

Yeah, it's very nice Hwbot implemented Cinebench R23 with Sigle core benchmarks Could be that the Rocket can be on top in a couple of benchmarks on the bot.

Stamp of today!

 

It's sad that this is even a category at HWBOT. It shows how messed up in the head the mainstream has become. It's corrupting the minds of members of HWBOT. When you are constantly exposed to stupidity, stupidity become contagious. (Yes, we see this in other areas of life as well. Much worse for those that gobble up all of the lies from mainstream news information manipulation sources.)

Single-core performance hasn't mattered very much to me since Core2 Duo was introduced. One step forward, five steps backwards.

 

But you'll get much better graphics performance with Rocket What more do you need? Remember the ongoing shortortage of graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD Can't beat this new full package from Intel. The high-volume OEM can finally offer people better graphics performance at an ok price point

Up to 50% better integrated graphics performance (gen over gen) – As measured by 3DMark-Fire Strike Graphics Score. Results are based on measurements as of 01/18/2021 and may not reflect all publicly available security updates. See configuration disclosure for details.

 

You guys haven't even mentioned the Ryzen like memory latency.

 

I thought long and hard about putting in an AIO for my new Ryzen build....so I'm going custom water.

https://www.performance-pcs.com/wat...ete-kits/ek-quantum-power-kit-d-rgb-p360.html

 

All I can see in my head is that Intel fail in every product stack
AMD announces Ryzen PRO 5000U mobile workstation CPUs

And coming Alder lake will come with half of the cores as in smartphones. Still only 8 real cores as Rocket, LOOL

 

I don't really like anything in new tech at this point. Nothing from Intel, nothing from AMD, nothing from NVIDIA... and, almost nothing available to buy even if it was good. Yeah, the K|NGP|N is pretty nice, but it's overpriced like everything else is, and it is of limited usefulness until at least one waterblock becomes available for it. Who knows when that will be... maybe right before 4090 launch, LOL. Maybe never.

Overall, the PC technology landscape is extremely disappointing and and pathetic, and it's probably going to stay that way for a very long time... maybe forever.

 

I'm quite sure Intel tried please Microsoft with the SmallBig core arch. More junkware (small thin jokebooks/tablets) from Microsoft will need power efficient cores. Apple make own chips, Amd do the same. Intel try to find their niche with coming chips due Apples goodbye. See.. Desktop chips created with 50% smarthphone cores. Yeah, the PC technology landscape doensn't look so bright for people who want high performing computing. I wonder when AMD also goes the same path (for now they try push double the amont real cores vs Intel... And all created equal. Not 50% power efficient junk as Intel's next game changer). Beacuse they all will in the end. Welcome to tomorrow's tech....
Your phone is now more powerful than your PC

 

Have you seen the DimasTech benches? I stumbled across them at ModMyMods web site the other day totally by accident. They have all sorts of brackets and accessories you can buy for them. I like the black EasyXL the best. Search https://modmymods.com/ for DimasTech and it will pull up all the stuff. You can even buy stuff like rear panel IO brackets, PSU and drive cages, mobo trays and PCI slot brackets to build you own custom bench or case.

 

Looking forward to seeing it and some benchies!

 

I love it! It would definitely be the new home to my X299 Dark.

I'm currently building several PC's, most for clients. 10900KF build with 3090, 10850K build with 3090, and my personal All AMD build. I don't think any of them would want a testbench but I'm going to get one and retire my Wetbench. I'm going to have to mod it and source a USB-C port.

 

I'd love to see your mini-review after you get one. I really like the looks of it. It seems to be well made and nicely appointed in terms of brackets and what-not.

I noticed that the rear PCI-e bracket was installed backwards, LOL. Whomever assembled it for photos wasn't paying attention. The flush side should be toward the GPU/PCI-e card with the top lip for the thumbscrews facing away from the cards and mobo.

Do you need something like this? I have one with a 90° angle on the motherboard end like the Amazon link.

https://modmymods.com/modmymods-usb...back-panel-extension-cable-40cm-mod-0293.html

https://www.amazon.com/LINKUP-Motherboard-Extension-Key-Connector/dp/B085J2B35K
(shorter cable) https://www.amazon.com/LINKUP-Motherboard-Extension-Key-Connector/dp/B085J2NPYP?th=1

Also, FYI... I found all of the 2020 extruded aluminum quad track square bar stock and brackets, fittings, etc. on Amazon to custom fab a frame chassis like I have on the little binning bench. I was thinking about building a really big sucker out of that material for the Z490 Dark so I was looking for the rear PCI-e bracket and that is how I stumbled onto the DimasTech bench. I starting adding this stuff to a list for later. As I was researching this, I see it is most commonly used for building large 3D printers and framework for things like server racks and large bitcoin mining systems. @Johnksss

 

The Aorus Xtreme has a type-c header, so I think the connector from the modmymods and the one you have will work. I will have to create an open near the USB openings near the front of the bench.

 

BTW, you are one step closer to Fox Rox Test Benches Inc. hahaha.

 

Yes, it will work perfectly for that. Here is how mine is hooked up. Small L-bracket attached to an empty screw hole, so nothing fancy.

Got to love that awesome Arizona dust on everything, LOL.

That could be a fun money-making hobby/side business, building custom test benches and server racks.

Side note: NiceHash's prediction was really close. First week of part-time mining hit $125 in BTC.

 

Are you mining with the CPUs too? Your office must be a sauna.

I mined during the 2017/2018 crypto boom/bust cycle. So now I just buy. I'm a slightly early adopter of Bitcoin. I love the technology behind crypto and blockchain will become a major benefit to us all. Like all early technology, greed is what pushes it forward first. The innovation is when the second group enters the industry and actually produces products that benefit everyone. That is all I have to say about it.

 

Yes, I am mining with CPU and GPU on all three systems. It is a little bit toasty, but not crazy hot. I have a ceiling fan and two portable fans going, plus I have the window open and it's about 60°F right now. What is interesting is memory is what gets the hottest. GPU and system memory both get warmer than anything I have ever experienced in terms of memory temperatures. The CPU and GPU cores are not very warm at all, but both types of memory run about 30°C warmer than I have ever seen them get doing anything else.

The systems have been mining continuously for like 5 days without interruption (I even use the smaller desktop for work all day while it is mining, LOL) and neither of the desktop CPUs has exceeded 70°C. The turdbook has been hovering around 85-90°C for days, but that's actually not abnormal for a chintzy piece of crap like that. It runs that temperature constantly when doing anything other than web browsing or email.

The VRAM on the 3090 gets the hottest, but it's running 21.1GHz continuously.

 

Yeah, it's totally stupid at the moment, I think 2021 is gonna be a joke, 2022 might be better.

 

For the moment I would prefer some dust but and sun instead for the ever lasting dark, snow and cold Cold beer isn't everything in this world.


4 weeks is $500 Ethereum: protocol change causes protests among miners
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...l-transformation.812591/page-67#post-11084583

Intel finally on 10nm+, DDR5 incoming and who know how much chips AMD is able to grab. Don't be so sure everything will be so much better in 2022. And all losses due Covid disaster has to be paid back.

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https://hwbot.org/submission/4705836_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i5_2430m_17sec_184ms

 

My G.Skill 2x16GB sticks I just purchased a few weeks ago stopped posting. x570 won't boot with them. Popping the CMOS and power made no difference.

I tried them in my wife's Z390 and they won't post there either. Tried them in the B550 in my brother's 5600x setup same thing.
They just hang on a blank screen and the white mem diagnostic light comes on.

I was testing/using them in the x570 and I started getting random memory crashes/errors in WoW at P1 XMP settings while isolating
WHEA errors (of which I received 210 of them). Retested with TM5 and errors every which way.
Shut down, went to go boot to reset the timings to SPD (2133) and the white mem light came on.

I put my 4x8GB 4000 B-Die kit back in and it posts and works just like before. I even popped in the 2x8GB set from my brother's and they work fine.

Something was already up as a few times cold booting Windows had to repair my WD AN1500 1TB in the x570 MSI Tomahawk.

I was on the fence about keeping them, but this was the nail in the coffin so back to da 'zon they go.

 

I present to you guys (and gals) the P750FM

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...1080-frankenmod-upgrade.835593/#post-11084567

 

Soooo, the Corsair 680X is not likely to work with a custom water loop unless I place the reservoir/pump combo in the second chamber. While I am not a huge proponent of RGB lighting, it does defeat the purpose of having a res/pump combo that is D-RGB and not showcasing it in some way. The EATX mobo coupled with the massive MSI 6800 XT doesn't help. Back to the drawing board.

 

The 680X is a looker. There are so many nice cases, and all of them have limitations. The thought of having to deal with the limitations of an enclosed case really turns me off in spite of how incredibly nice looking some of them are. In the end, I think the only way of putting up with those limitations is to value form over function.

Was this going to be for a customer or a build for yourself?

 

I like working within certain restrictions. Pushing what a case is capable of. I'm determined to make this work. I'm going to watercool the gpu too and use a PCIe 4.0 riser cable.

This is a personal build. I have never built myself a "good looking" rig. I don't normally use custom power cables and etc for myself. Everything has been function over form.

 

Plus a case is more practical if you're not changing hardware all the time - see "dust accumulation"!

 

For most people having something that looks beautiful is super-important. For a work system or one used for gaming, and where you are not constantly messing with it, an enclosed case is totally fine and possibly preferable. And, yes... dust is a problem in most places. It is a serious problem (probably far worse than it is for most people) where I live, and so is ESD. On the plus side, condensation is almost non-existent because the climate here in the Arizona desert is drier than a popcorn fart, LOL.

 

Ha, it's true, I remember seeing your pics, or was that Johnksss's pics! (dust) But no, dust is a problem in all places, if I vacuumed more then it would be less prevalent...I do use an ionizer air filter combo though and I remember thinking a few years ago that it cut down dust accumulation on the filters of the PC.

 

I dusted this morning and there is already a thin haze covering everything again, LOL. Sometimes the effort seems nearly futile because it returns almost immediately. I use one of those Swiffer dusting wands first to get the majority of the stuff (dust sticks to the wand nicely) then give the surface a short blast of air to dislodge any stuck particles, and follow that with a second pass of the Swiffer dusting wand.

I use a large box fan with an HVAC filter attached to the intake side to try to filter as much of it as I can from the air, but it often feels as if the effort is tantamount to going outside with a fly swatter on a mission to rid the world of flies.

 

I don't know. I tend to replace my hardware pretty often, but this rig will be sold as a whole if I do ever want to get rid of it. I know one thing, I am going to use soft tubing instead of the hard tubing I use on special builds for my clients. This gives me leeway if I ever want to changeout the 5900X for a 5950X and not have to drain the loop.

I want a showpiece for my office. My 3960X build will remain my main rig. You know me, I will likely mess around with it.

As for dust, I LOVE LOVE my DataVac (made in the USA!) https://metrovac.com/products/datavac-electric-duster?variant=18877237067849 The one I have is over 10 years old and I have used it on several hundred computers over the years. Still going strong.

 

Yes, they are awesome. With the small nozzle on the end of it, it's like a mini leaf-blower, LOL. I really like mine, too.

 

Did you see Intel is adding an AMD type boost with the new chips?


Sorry I disappeared. Since I gave up on getting a GPU (and had plumbing that had to be done at home), I started researching building myself a speaker set with some .Kartesian speakers. Should be fairly nice! But that also meant researching how to make an amplifier, crossovers, etc. So may have missed some things going on.

 

I have been figuring out how I can get this HP thin client t630 running with androidx86-64. I have some of those Dell speaker mounts on an IPS monitor.

Thought it might make for a cool alarm clock/ calendar/ live traffic / weather, basically all the things I would like to know in my morning before running off to work, only way it could be better is if I had a touch screen I suppose lol

For a regular PC it might be wanting, but for android 128GB SSD and 8GB DDR4 is plenty...if I can get it working then I might take more of the t630's I have in decom before they go to the recycler

 

Yeah, I have seen it. When will they release boost 5 ? For Alder lake? Probably very needed for Rocket. Intel have milked long enough on 14nm++++ and we may see some weird bins if they try push out every chips they can make (almost all 11th Intel Top dog chips is 8 cores this gen and Intel had to do something).

Intel’s New Adaptive Boost Technology: Floating Turbo Comes to Rocket Lake
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1656...echnology-floating-turbo-comes-to-rocket-lake

Leaked Benchmarks Indicate IPC Rocket Lake-S to be slower than AMD Ryzen 5000
By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/22/2021 08:41 AM

One of the primary benefits of the pending Rocket Lake-S series is the fact they're based on a new architecture, that architecture would offer better IPC. A website now has fired off tests at a Core i9 11900K measuring exactly that.

Edit:
See also "In contrast, ABT uplift will vary by chip — much of the frequency uplift depends upon the quality of your chip. Hence, the silicon lottery comes into play, along with cooling and power delivery capabilities. We've included a breakdown of the various Intel boost technologies a bit further below"
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-adaptive-boost-technology-rocket-lake-amd

No need for Rocket lake with this results

https://hwbot.org/submission/471007...gle_core_with_benchmate_core_i3_6100u_613_pts


https://hwbot.org/submission/471007...ti_core_with_benchmate_core_i3_6100u_1620_pts