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All of this. I remember Apple fans boasting for years they were safe and I kept harping on their smaller market and undesired attack vector. Look at them now.....

No system is safe if it is connected in any fashion even sneaker net (see: stuxnet).

 

They have to include an extra M.2 slot.
On Z590, two m.2 slots are from the chipset. Only ONE is from the CPU and that's Gen 4 and shares lanes with the video card (if that slot is occupied, the video card will drop to 4.0 x8).
Every board is like this. And that's the only Gen 4 m.2. slot.

On the Asus Z590 boards with dimm.2, the onboard dimm.2 slots share DMI lanes with the CPU, meaning it has to borrow from the second PCIE slot (this will also drop the first PCIE to x8). This can be configured in the BIOS as "CPU + PCIE_1X16 + PCIE_2 X16" (full speed PCIE, both onboard dimms will be deactivated, the third slot, the Gen4 is only active with a RKL chip installed), CPU + PCIE_1 x16 + M.2_1 (borrows lanes and activates one of the m.2 slots) and CPU + M2_1 + M2_2) (deactivates the second X16 slot I think, activates both onboard m.2's).

The two m.2 slots on the dimm.2 on the Z590 will not interfere with the X16 as they are from the chipset.

That might explain how Gigabyte may have done things here.
I believe there is no way around this limitation because it has to also support Comet Lake.

 

Probably not the best news for Intel

AMD Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPU Supply & Availability To Get Better This Quarter As Company Reportedly Increasing Supply By 20%

Those waiting to buy a high-end AMD Ryzen 5000 Desktop CPU might be in for some good news after all as the company is reportedly increasing its supply by 20% this quarter. The report comes from Channel Gate (Weixin) where it's reported that after months of continued shortages, things are expected to get better this quarter.

And it seems Intel forgot new graphics drivers for their new Cpu line-up. I'm quite sure a newer Microcode had 1th priority At least they had the bios finished before launch, HaHa

Intel awkwardly forgot to release graphics drivers for Rocket Lake

 

Maybe they are finally going to be selling all of the lottery duds that didn't pass QC for the first wave.

 

The higher end Ryzen chips will perform much better than any Rocket even if they are lottery loosers or have the new discovered CPU Vulnerabilities ticked as "disabled"

At this time, AMD has provided instructions via a security bulletin [ PDF] on how to disable PSF, as it is enabled by default on Zen 3 processors. The company has also proposed a Linux patch to enable/disable the functionality. We'd assume that AMD is working with Microsoft on patches for Windows-based operating systems as well.

However, since it has not yet seen any real-world attacks that have taken advantage of the PSF, AMD is recommending that most customers leave the feature enabled for now. We'd imagine that this could be due to a performance hit that might be realized when disabling the feature, but AMD didn't provide any guidance on that potential in its support document.

 

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSF-Security-Analysis

I'm sure this guy will turn off the feature and benchmark so we can get a real idea of the impact or decision by AMD to go forward with this despite Spectre attacks in full bloom during development. Either way for normal users this matters just as much as all the other speculative meltdown attacks have mattered. I do find some humor in all the comments from AMD fanboys that said AMD is secure and that Intel made decisions or took shortcuts to performance by throwing security out the window. I expect a lot more vulnerabilities to be found on the AMD side as researchers further poke the AMD ship.

 

As a programmer and performance enthusiast, I'd much rather sacrifice security for speed than have extra security but be slowed down.

It doesn't matter how many shortcuts you take as long as you get a correct result. That's all that matters. The most efficient route is always the best route.

It actually takes a lot of thinking to come up with more efficient approaches to problems. Therefore, being lazy actually requires a lot of effort.

I just disable all these security features. I don't care about Meltdown or Spectre, so I just disable the protections against them and enjoy my 5% gain in performance. These aren't vulerabilities that are very likely to actually affect us anyway. Anything that reduces performance is unwanted.

 

I'm quite sure the AMD fanboys will say this is nothing to be worried about

Nothing fancy. More old hardware.
https://hwbot.org/submission/471805...gtx_760_(256bit)_52sec_836ms?recalculate=true


10th of 43 in GPUPI 1B with GTX 760 and still a wimpy 1.9 points. Isn't the bot very generous bro @Mr. Fox ? If I benched etc GTX 1070Ti - RTX 2080 who have a lot less results on the bot I would get more HW points, LOOL
https://hwbot.org/submission/4718052_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_58sec_127ms

 

Yes, they will. Whatever fits their narrative, just like the "news" on TV. It's only something that anyone should worry about when it causes the opposing side to look bad (or we are told we should view it badly). Whether it is accurate or inaccurate is irrelevant.

Oh, so very generous. How do they do it?

 

Here’s one more and even more generous. The 3 on top of 25 benchers get 40 out of around 50 HW points. Damn fun chasing numbers for points Maybe the point algorithm calculation software is tuned in as a lottery machine?

 

An update on my Rage RX (All AMD PC Rig).

CPU: I have not tried overclocking the 5900X as of yet, outside of running the test through Clocktuner to see what kind of chip I have. I have everything for an open loop, but I have not installed anything. I don't know if this PC is going to live in the 680X case.

GPU: Overclocking the 6800 XT can break your mind if you are coming from Nvidia. I have some experience from my Radeon VII but the 6800 XT is a different kind of animal. @electrosoft I have not gotten any coil whine, even when pushing the card with core clocks above 2600. I got my GPU block for this card and a new 280 radiator. I might create separate loops for each component.

Motherboard: The Aorus X570 Xtreme impressed me. It has handled memory timings with ease. While the BIOS isn't the most fluid and mouse support sucks, it has a unique feel to it and it forced me to go back to using the keyboard (which is MUCH faster). The BIOS are nowhere as feature rich as Asus's. I will say it is on par with EVGA and ASRock. Overall it's a great mobo. You can overclock RAM much better than on an Asus board.

 

If you're looking to overclock on a budget, the 10600K is a far better bang for the buck than either of these options. It's under $200 at some places.

 

Is it due to internal space restrictions that you may decide not to use the 680X? Thinking of getting something larger?

As you can probably tell, I've lost interest. I don't even bother anymore. Their stupidity has been instrumental in ruining what used to be something good and fun. Now it mostly pisses me off when I submit benchmark runs that are in the top 20 and get nothing or get nothing for matching or beating other scores that did earn points or received more points. Or, they've changed the rules, and what used to earn points no longer does. I have no respect for their decision-makers or the decisions made. The system is flawed and malfunctions often. And, the new "season" approach totally blows. I'd love to know who the idiot is that dreamed up these changes. They need a lobotomy.

 

Yes. The 680X is designed for the pump/res to live in the back chamber. So if I do that, I'm going to reuse one of my normal D5 pump/res combos.

 

It wasn't very long ago that having a system running an unlocked hexa-core CPU with hyperthreading was something really special. Quad-core was the norm and now hexacore is just totally ho-hum. Even octa-core is nothing really worth writing home about anymore... meh.

Have you landed on an alternative? The 680X is really nice looking and classic aesthetic (my favorite). There are probably several options that are larger with a very similar aesthetic.

 

You need to be on top of the food chain. Within top 3 and you get points, honors and glory 4th place or below... Pray to God and hope that the bot lottery machine works out for you

Result Discussions
Discuss submissions of other overclockers

 

The Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL is the only one with the two chamber design that I like. It's also difficult to acquire. It has been sold out everywhere except for ebay. I'm not paying those prices for that case.

 

Do you mean the extra space on the backside of the motherboard tray? I like that, too. I really hate it when that space is cramped. What is the correct price supposed to be? Let me know and I will keep an eye open for you.

 

It is a serious security flaw, but only affected the Zen 3 CPUs, not all CPUs dating back to the 90s! Big difference there.

It is a speculative type execution, as the predictive store forwarding was to speed it up, much in the way Intel's push to be the fastest opened up the OoOE issues. Except Intel also had many more vulnerabilities since discovered.

In fact, it's almost funny that something that helped AMD eek out a performance win over Intel itself was filled with a security vulnerability, considering I crapped on Intel for the same thing of going performance over security. Fair is fair.

Now waiting to see if the fix gimps performance like the fixes did for Intel.

But, yes, let us link something I said years ago without tagging me, then make an asinine statement on team mentality instead of just asking my opinion when I'm the main AMD person in this thread.

That caddy comment of yours shows you yourself are wanting to complain or conclude how people will react just as much as talking crap on others.

Edit: And the reason it took me so long to respond is I am spending all my free time on researching loudspeaker design, understanding which products I would consider, and learning a bit more circuit design for eventually building my own amplifier. Same reason I have been gone from the thread since I announced my new hobby.

 

It wasn't a caddy comment. It wasn't a slam against AMD at all. It was a slam against the stupidity and corruption of humanity. It has nothing to do with Intel or AMD.

And, it doesn't matter. Everything has undiscovered vulnerabilities. Serious, yes. End of the world, no. In fact, I disable the mitigations because the cure is worse than the disease.

The vulnerabilities for the other CPUs simply haven't been discovered and/or disclosed yet. Only a matter of time. When it happens they'll make a huge deal out of it like they always do. It helps the people reporting on it feel important and I'm sure some of them get a charge out of the emo reactions their hype induces. I won't gloat about it, but I will certainly make fun of those that do, just as I made fun of those that gloated about Intel vulnerabilities.

The vulnerabilities are accidental. The exploitation is deliberate. The prosecution should be more aggressive and punishment should be far more severe... even brutal. The underlying problem is a flaw in humanity, not a hardware flaw. Flaws in products will always exist no matter how hard the people that make them try to be perfect, but flaws in character are an intentional choice.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4718794_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_57sec_531ms


https://hwbot.org/submission/4718798_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_51sec_979ms


Edit. I just tested latest and greatest from the Green camp. No cigar

New Nvidia drivers on the old sucks! Probably not the best for newer as well, LOOL

Bro Fox have you seen that Nvidia have put up a warning feature in latest drivers who say... Will you really have this settings in NCP?

Btw. TechPowerUp NVCleanstall v1.9.0 is a fantastick piece of software for fast change of drivers.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/471972...e_gtx_760_(256bit)_636_marks?recalculate=true


https://hwbot.org/submission/4719718_papusan_vrmark___cyan_room_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_470_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/471971...p_xtreme_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_1315_points


Closer to a 3rd place. But still no cigar Win 7 and no Benchmate may fix it.
https://hwbot.org/submission/4719679_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_51sec_47ms

 

Here is the video that goes with the image. Thanks for sharing @Prema.

 

I should have built 9900K build when had the chance, waited for RKL will perform since Z390 EOLd, a big mistake. Now the situation is even worse, since BTC and ETH killed the whole supply of PSUs and GPUs, and WFH time for PC building. Two being reluctant to run Win7 at all costs, I learnt from Win-raid that custom driver mods allowed people to install 7 onto their X570 and Intel platforms, Three is running the machine only on air cooling only for reliability over years. I was certain on choosing the AMD platform because their processors could be run on Noctua DH15 with ease, even if use Trident Z with a smaller 120mm fan instead of 140 or even slightly move it to the side, also appreciate what EVGA has been doing with 90 degree socket rotation on their Dark series also only heard great things about EVGA as a whole. Esp when I saw @Mr. Fox running Win7 flawlessly on his Z490 Dark BUT it's really sad for me as Air coolers won't be possible with that Motherboard, very hard from what I've seen. On a side note, I bought the fantastic (8GBx4) 32G DDR4 G.Skill TridentZ C15 [email protected] (F4-3600C15D-16GTZ) B-Die kit 1.5 years back when Samsung plans of EOLing B-Die news came, it's just sitting in a box !!

Anyway on the topic the USB issues are real hellstorm. From my personal experience with USB issues on my Ranger due to high I/O load, while using all connections direct to USB3.0 ports (3) from the laptop mobo for the 3xexternal drives with 2xRosewill USB3.0 SATA bridge and 1 Easystore with the left over one USB 3.0 port for an Anker HUB for DAC and KBM, also this only occurs when the bittorrent client runs tons of I/O and when it fails It's a mess as the torrent client re-checks leading to huge time waste, reading up on it only I came to know it's sending an interrupt signal which happens due to voltage requirement (noticed only when I started using HUB, the PCH chipset is running on peak so makes sense and it's very old hardware as well)

But this whole X570 chipset related USB issues is a real damn shame since from what I read people had to experience this USB trash issues on their latest 2020 platform, when AMD published their new "fix" is coming, I'm waiting to see what it delivers, they didn't even mention what is the problem in the first place and how they are fixing it as per Anandtech, was it a HW issue that is going to have a SW fix or was it a SW issue and fixing it with a SW fix ? I hope there's more light on this matter as USB is an extremely important thing.

No idea what to do now, Intel having all that high power consumption and Air cooling being hard to impossible esp on EVGA & AMD chipset woes with the Crosshair Dark Hero (doesn't even have a 3.1 header on the mobo and costs $450 and out of stock since day 1) and Aorus Xtreme (over $700 cost but only 6 SATA ports and GB BIOS UI) only mobos without chipset fan, Maybe I will have to go Intel after all and buy that AiO CLC with insane RGB bling Also Lian Li O11 DXL is also going out of stock all the damn time, cannot build a PC in one shot with all the component shortages. Hope things get better. Not holding our DDR5 and ADL at all, gen 1 DDR5 + Gen 5 will be sky high cost and less maturity and that big little bs of Intel on desktop is lame, to make it worse their 10nm Ice Lake Xeon is a joke.

@Rage Set Lian Li O11D XL (Black) is in stock on Ebay (NewEgg seller) and NewEgg for $25 extra over MSRP of $199 @ $225+$9.99 shipping.

 

No idea on the USB issues, not sure what tends to create that for people as my system has never experienced it thus far...

 

Thank you. I picked it up on Newegg. Perhaps I can now use both of my 60mm radiators. LOL

 

Next time Best Buy has a 9900K as one of its daily deals, I may pick one up. I can at least hold onto it until we see how Alder Lake pans out.

 

I was able to sort it out on my brother's GB B550, but the x570 runs into problems for very large, sustained file transfers. Eventually it will just slow down and stall at 0% with no warnings or errors. Sometimes it will stall on smaller transfers but not as frequently or consistently. You can unplug and plug it back in and it will usually pick right back up from where you left off.

For critical files, I now copy them over to the desktop and work with them natively then copy them back and subsequently to the 2-3 backups too.

For a few of the large databases I was working on (VBA, VC), I ended up just using my P870TM1.

I'm waiting on the MSI agesa bios update as .2 is supposed to address and resolve the issue. I already have my 11700k (it arrived Monday) and my motherboard is supposed to be ready for pickup today. If it doesn't get resolved, I'll switch back to Intel and sell the Golden 5800x and MB. I don't have time to muck about with this issue as I do use my USB ports extensively. I've tried all the tricks, rollbacks, tried Auto, gen 3 only, gen 4 only, numerous devices, each port.

What works is the 2.0 only ports or a 2.0 device on 3.0 and with the size of the external files I work with (or even just in general), that isn't going to cut it for me. Type-C port also suffers the same fate as the A ports.

Outside of that, I'm generally happy with the 5800x + MSI x570 Tomahawk. Temps are great, performance is righteous.

 

Ah I see, yes that would be quite the Achilles heel to put up with, in fact if I faced a similar scenario I may jump ship. On my general all-purpose machine I absolutely refuse to tailor my activities, if it can game, I'm happy. If it can game but not work then I'm regretting the decisions that led to that point lol.

This only applies to my desktop though, everything else tends to have specific roles / functions.

Hopefully next year sometime the 5800x will come down in price, until then I have androidx86 and a Dell precision 7810 to tinker with. Speaking of which I came across a m6800 precision, going to test it with my 4980hq tomorrow and see how it behaves

 

I was reading on the WHEA errors and other issues at OCN 75 page thread under AMD Motherboard section, multiple users reporting Curve Optimization issues and general instability on the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs, people are RMAing the CPUs (wtf?) this on top of the USB 3.0 issues, will wait for a few more weeks and pull the damn trigger for Intel, now If I want to go air and get 8x SATA connections I will have to pay more and get Maximus XIII Apex Z590, EVGA Z590 Dark is an amazing board but the 90 degree rotation won't help me, will wait on what this new AGESA 1.2.0.2 will provide for the X570 and Zen 3 platform as a whole. Do not want to waste time to beat around the bush for this all CCD lottery and other unknown things USB is very important for me as well, esp when the HW itself is scarce. I'm even more afraid if I run Win7 on X570 platform with the INF mod drivers for chipset and all, the stability and performance is even more hazy.

Sad part is many people like Der8aur, TPU, Optimum Tech and Luumi also mention RKL has got OC downgraded by a lot by Intel, I think this is on their Marketing and Engg teams paired with the 10nm disaster and the idiotic margin with investor pressure (it still is, Ice Lake Xeon), they should have simply axed that iGPU and put better use of that precious die space for better caching changes for the uArch for improving performance.

Only silver lining thing I saw was that new i9 exclusive only Adaptive boost which helps the loss of OC headroom with automatic boost behavior, shame on Intel for reducing the free performance and making the power consumption skyrocket...they could have even released a 10900K chip with Gen 4 upgrade by removing that iGPU trash, but Intel want that Wafer yields for Xeon (in 2021 they got 10nm rolling for Xeon up until now the 14nm was always at the peak) and their HCC/XCC business retooling everything for the new layout means tons of work, which they already did with backport, but they could have done this since 9900K.. digressed way lot now so I will end it here.



Apparently there's increased power consumption from new Gear system as well.

Very nice, I also bought one !! But I don't have any parts to install into it lol.

 

The whole PC tech landscape is pretty dismal right now. Poor availability, asinine prices, all sorts of stupid bugs, crappy QC. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy in some respects that older is better and newer is not. It is to the point now that it seems like a really stupid idea to be excited about anything popularly regarded as cutting edge. You can't buy what you want because it is either not available at any price, or it is extremely overpriced. If and when you can buy it, if close your eyes, unplug your brain and bite the bullet on the idiotic prices, having that overpriced thrill turn to crap because of lousy firmware, hardware defects and random bugs is just way beyond sucky.

 

2nd for GTX760 and 1.5 points

https://hwbot.org/submission/4721645_papusan_vrmark___cyan_room_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_472_marks

 

WOW. My Lian Li O11D XL case, I just purchased yesterday and was given an estimated delivery date of 4/14, is out for delivery today. I paid for standard shipping. Not sure why Newegg overnight it. It came from their CA warehouse. It couldn't have been cheap.

 

WOW is certainly an appropriate response to that. Congrats. I can hardly wait for your photos and/or video to be shared with us.

 

Right on target. 25% less cores do not make it an i9. Intel should also never have marked its 8 cores mobile as i9. But I expect that the higher numbers just mean they can continue charge more for less.




Btw. Asus behave (act) exactly as Dell Alienware https://wccftech.com/asus-lacking-b...bar-support-for-intel-z390-z370-motherboards/

Once again, the fact that others are doing it regardless of some of these boards being three years old shows that ASUS doesn't care about its previous customers despite their products costing a hefty premium over other brands. ASUS has recently lost its market share to ASRock in Japan and it looks like this kind of support for its PC-centric products isn't going to help them at all.

Edit. Asus have changed mind after angry voices from customers. Yeah, they know Alder lake comes with new socket and hope their customers will come back when that time comes. Lose even more customers with this sort of "Dell trickery" will never pay off. Only Dell is able to do that.

Asus provides its Z370 and Z390 motherboards with support for Resizable BAR
After angry voices from customers, the company chooses to start up the BIOS development for older motherboards and gives them support for the performance-enhancing function Resizable BAR.

In a statement to SweClockers, Asus now announces that they will resume BIOS development for their motherboards with the Z390 and Z370 control circuits, where the goal will then be specifically to implement support for Resizable BAR in these. Work on this has already begun and the hope is that the new BIOS versions will roll out by the end of April.

 

11700k sitting here since Monday from Best Buy....

My motherboard from them has gone the way of the Dodo and is lost in the weeds somewhere (aka somehow disappeared during last leg of delivery to store for pickup)....

 

Probably one of the more annoying updates to receive on a Friday, been there before lol

 

It is unfortunate they used USPS. I suspect USPS has a fairly serious employee (and independent contractor) integrity problem because I'm seeing too many things simply disappearing lately. They've become worthless and unreliable, not to mention extremely slow and overpriced. I ordered a memory foam mattress on Amazon that USPS "lost" somehow. It was received by originating USPS facility in New York almost two weeks ago and the tracking status has never changed since the date of their acceptance. The seller issued a refund yesterday.

 

I wouldn't doubt it. Here is how the CPU showed up from USPS. Floating around inside the large box (same box they shipped my FE 3070 in) was the 11700k with zero packaging.

Apparently someone decided to "take a looksy" and what was inside wasn't worth their time or they didn't know what it was:

 

Here is something kind of cool in a very simple but geeky way. I bought this to use with my OnePlus 8T since smartphone manufacturers have all become stupid and think it is cute to make them with no headphone jacks. It also works flawlessly with my computer for connecting headphones without having to use the 3.5mm headphone jack. It is instantly identified as a playback device in Windows.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XYQ2ZKH

 

Enjoy it while you can. They all will remove all ports from the smartphones This will be the next big for phones They can charge more for wireless headphones.

 

We can only expect dumb things for dumb-dumbs, from dumb people. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Consumer zombies make it extra-easy for them to get away with being stupid. Being an ordinary person with basic common sense makes us arrogant elitist racists.

I have nothing against wireless technology. I do have something against that being the only option. I want it all... wired and wireless. For a minute we did. Then the stupid loser manufacturers starting taking things away. The good ones will do the exact opposite of what crApple does. Oh, wait. There aren't any good ones. Only varying degrees of suckiness, LOL.

 

A new 1.5 point with GTX 760, LOOL
https://hwbot.org/submission/472368...2b_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_53min_41sec_65ms/

Had a good score with the standalone GPUPI but this that piece of trashware crash when you save. Not always but of course it had to for the better score

https://hwbot.org/submission/4723707_papusan_gpupi___1b_geforce_gtx_760_(256bit)_57sec_71ms

 

I think it's all on hold until mid 2022, that's why I've not been checking in here much....I'm still keeping my PC hardware enthusiasm along with future upgrades, but it is on hold!

 

It seems AMD also want to destroy their chips with integrated graphics. Let the integrated graphics get 30% of die space is an awful solution for more computing power.

New leak further reiterates AMD Ryzen 7000 Raphael will be based on 5 nm Zen 4 and feature Navi 2x integrated graphics notebookcheck.net

Raphael will be an interesting part to watch out for. It is not only the first 5 nm x86 desktop part but also the first mainstream AMD CPU to offer on-die integrated graphics negating the need to use a discrete graphics option unless really needed. So far, AMD has been offering only revised Vega iGPUs even in the latest Cezanne and Lucienne mobile APUs despite already having RDNA2 Navi 2x discrete cards on the market.

By transitioning to a 5 nm node, AMD could gain back some value die space to finally incorporate a capable integrated graphics solution.

Sky-high AMD Ryzen 9 5950X prices provide an unsettlingly discouraging snapshot for PC builders of the effects of the 2021 global chip shortage

In fact, just for added shock value, there is even a mention of AMD’s Ryzen 9 5950X being priced at an insane £1,480.72 ( US$2,030/AUD$2,662). Of course, this same discouraging picture for desktop DIYers exists in other markets: Best Buy also has a price match guarantee for the Zen 3 part at US$799 but is sold out, and if you take a look at Amazon there is sometimes stock listed as available – but in some cases you have to be willing to part with US$1,288.99.

 

Maybe they are now going full OEM route, so they can get this iGPU trash on top we all know they can happily shove those parts into the BGA dumpster factory, so that everyone can buy these latest and greatest thin and light garbage optimus capable trash more esp that Chromebook junk, and maybe AMD can also include the decode and encode functionalities that Intel does, the only good thing that might happen is how they cache out the iGPU in case they do some kind of eDRAM type (5775C / Crystal well) since AMD loves modularity. Esp now they got some attention with Zen uArch they can capitalize on the marketing and word of mouth, with restricted TDP they can make sure the CPUs and BIOS will have least amount of bugs since it's all locked down trash. Most important - they can charge more $$.

As for the 5950X, bad TSMC yield since Apple has basically most of that supply chain, on top they recently launched Milan EPYC 7703 series so all the top dies will go there and second best bins will go to upcoming Genesis Peak Threadrippers and the left over will go to 5950X and 5900X in them we have amazing bugs and what not. I wonder how many people are really building these 16C parts ? most of the market which I personally think as anyone spending over $800 for a CPU would definitely opt for the better HEDT market and the availability is also better there, more lanes more everything. Maybe streamers..

As for the rest of the stack gaming crowd will opt for 5600X as it's cheap and does the job as fast as the 5800X and Intel counterparts others. Small data point for the Wafer market, as per Dec 2020 Intel is just 6% of the 300mm wafer market while TSMC is 15% both have huge volume of chips to make, but as we already know mobile phones already surpassed PCs (very sad, makes sense why AMD wants that precious BGA trash market now even Intel who opted to 10nm for upcoming only and not RKL which could have been got much more headroom) so all those dies are ending up in those planned obsolescence social media tools.

 

I guess they're targeting standard home & work PC's that don't need significant GPU power for gaming or professional applications. So that might be the larger market, especially in the work environment, although the home environment would probably have a higher concentration of dedicated GPUs for gaming than the office market at least. Not good news for people with dedicated GPUs though, as it's wasted die space, wasted opportunity.

 

Rage RX Update 2:

I've started prepping the Lian Li O11D XL case. It's a beautiful but very functional case. Lian Li did a lot of the little things right, especially if you are going custom water. The radiator spacing for example. On the bottom of the chassis, if you place a large 60mm radiator, you still have plenty of space to access the cable cutouts. I love the hotswappable HDD drive cages.

At first I had a small amount of buyers remorse (the Define 7 XL caught my eye) but I think this is the case for showcase builds.

I went with all EK Vardar EVO D-RGB fans. I was initially going with Corsair but their cost and software outweigh the looks they provide.

This build is screaming to be hard-tubed, because I have a lot extras coming...of which will be shown when ready... but I want to be able to change hardware without draining the loop.

I'm going to produce a video of the build when it's done and of course, photos here.

 

Sweet! Looking forward to the video and pics.