*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Is it safe to say that is only when using the MSI developer key combo to unhide the menus? Not in the stock BIOS UI, correct?

 

Correct.

Maybe we won't post that info publicly for the botters out there.

 

@Mr. Fox Hello brother!

I just noticed that your got your HC water block. How do you like it and does it help much over AIO?

 

I didn't even enter, but gratz on the snag! That puts you in an odd predicament as the 3080, 3080ti and 3090 are all close enough gaming wise.

You could sell the KPE 3090 and the profit would offset the cost of the 3080ti greatly.

I do know the 3060 and 3070 I've used so far just don't get it done at 4k for WoW so my only logical step down from the KPE 3090 would be a 3080/3080ti too.

Problem is I very much like the KPE 3090 in every aspect (looks, performance, noise levels, no coil whine) except cost.

I'll be curious to know what you finally decide.

 

11900k died last night.

Running @ 5.1 / 1.325.

I was playing WoW and it got real erratic. I rebooted and it said values were reset, enter bios yadi yadi yadi; went into the BIOS menu and everything was real laggy and values were there I had not adjusted to odd values. It froze then powered off. I went to reboot and got the red light indicating CPU error/ not detected.

I tried the wife's 11400 on the MSI and it booted right up.

I then tried the 11900k in her Asus B560 mATX board and it lit up indicating a CPU problem.

Luckily I was still within my return window for Best Buy, but damn it was a good sample.

 

Damn that is crazy. Not even high voltage.

Mine is running 1.38v LLC5 since I got her day one at 53-51x based on core old. 45x cache and 3733 CL15.

What SA/Mem OC IO?

 

MSI defaulted to 1.612 @ >= 3600 G1, but I backed that down to ~1.4 @ G1 3866 15-15-15-32-332 CR2 after testing as that was crazy higher than the stock ~1.2.
Had it running at 43x cache.

I was pretty bummed because it was running (relatively) cool and quiet and locked in for D2D @ 5.1 1.325 Mode 7 = ~1.338 max pull
with package around 283w and temps in the 60's for gaming.

I had MSI AB running and it was @ ~63c / ~112w when it sputtered in a raid.

Last time I saw a CPU die was on my Mac Pro when then red light would intermittently come on during load (you could see the glow through
the grater front) so you knew it was most likely dying and during an Xcode compile it just shut off lol. Luckily by that time 6-core replacements
were ~$100 so easy replacement.

 

Well at least will be an easy refund/replacement with BB and since you were 100% at stock and have no idea what XMP is. What is overclocking?

 

What’s a computer?

 

Weren't you meh about it in the other thread?

 

Went with letting the bro have the 3080 Ti FTW3 and he sold his vanilla 3080 FTW3 today. Neither of us mine so the LHR isn't a dealbreaker at all. I love my KPE, and decided to just keep it. It's a beast GPU, runs cool and quiet. Also lets me scratch that overclocking itch when I get it.

 

Yes, but only after I got the update and played it some. I was excited about it when I read the post from @Talon, and then later I became kind of meh about it.

 

Well, what a miserable Friday night and all-day Saturday. I tried to re-build Wraith using the Neo Qube. It was a no-go because the Hydro Copper block sticks out too far and the side panel cannot be installed. I also do not like how cramped everything would be if I were to install the SuperNova 1600W PSU. So, plan B was to move the guts for Banshee to the Qube and re-build Wraith using the 5000D. The EK block on the 2080 Ti has the same problem. The space between the motherboard tray and side panel will only accommodate an air-cooled GPU installed normally in the Pixie x16 slot. As much as I did not want to, I had to order a vertical install kit for the GPU. The Qube is a very nice case otherwise, @Rage Set . It is built well and looks fantastic. It has a TON of space for cables behind the mobo tray. I will have to pause working on it until the vertical GPU kit arrives.

For Wraith, using the 5000D there is a lot of space with no radiator(s) installed . I fabricated brackets from 1/4 inch aluminum plate to install both D5 Photon 270 on either side of the MO-RA 360. I attached my Lamptron fan hub to the underside of the surface the MO-RA 360 is sitting on and I am using a spare 650W PSU with that and using it to power the D5 pumps and fans. I drilled two 3/4 inch holes and installed pass-through fittings.

 

First of all, kudos for being an awesome brother.

Second, that's an understandable call. LHR is a non-factor for me too since I have zero desire to mine (no problems with those that do on any scale...have at it) and definitely runs so nice and quiet and aesthetically visually pleasing in my build. I've had mine for over 4 months now and I still catch myself glancing over at the build.

 

Hi @Mr. Fox

could you please share your Prema Bios for p870dm3-g ?

i buy you a beer

 

I would love to, but that is against the terms of service agreement. You would need to obtain it from @Prema. I am not sure if I saved it even if sharing it were OK. I do not own it anymore.

 

Hi @Mr. Fox,

Prema just told me the Bios mod for the P870dm3 crashed a lot. Due Powerdraw and Throttle.

Did you done some extra modding to it ?
Your seemed to work Great.

 

The vertical mount is a game changer in total style and aesthetics for the waterblock. All it needs is a bit of focused lighting to bring it to life.

 

OK, I got it installed. I did not want vertical because it wastes space. I lost a 1TB NVMe in the bottom PCIe slot because of it and I am not happy about that. It looks nice though. Overall, regrettable purchase. This case (as would be the original Lian Li O11 that this is a clone of) is just too damned small. I hate small and buying it was a mistake. But, oh well. Live and learn. If and when I ever upgrade parts, I will probably just sell it as a complete system because it's a pain in the a$$ to work on and there is no way in hell I would ever use it again in a future build. While I know it is true, I find it difficult to believe that people buy small crap like this on purpose. This case has raving reviews and in my mind those people are nuts. I am going to give it a 2-star review and rip it to shreds for its limitations based on design. I mean, c'mon... it only needed to be about 1.5 inches wider with the extra space being allocated between the mobo tray and side panel and I'd actually be happy enough with it. I'd have given it at least 4 stars.

 

Looks great! I like the vertical GPU. It really shows off that custom PCB of your FTW3 2080Ti. (Wide load lol)

I want to tighten up on my build in the looks department too, especially once I go to drop in my 2nd 2080Ti. I have my waterblock, and I just ordered my 2 slot nvlink.

I also purchased (10) of these fans.

They’re the Arctic BioniX P120

And I was curious about your input, I was after top performance for as cheap as possible.

They offer 2.75MM H20 static pressure. They’re PWM, and offer 0-RPM mode. You can also daisy chain the together. So you don’t need fan splitters.

The color yellow is not that exciting, although my memory is gold, and the X299 dark is also gold/yellow accents.

I only purchased them in yellow because I saved $30 dollars lol. These can outperform/match the Noctua A12x25’s from what the manufacturer claims.

(10) Noctua A12x25 =$320.00 with tax
(10) Arctic BioniX P120 = $128 with tax

Apparently both can push this 2.75MM static pressure at the same rpm.

 

Thank you. I like how vertical GPU looks, but the problem here is the NEO Qube, like others, is not designed for it. The adapter is nice and well-built, but using it blocks the other PCIe slots. It also shifts the GPU away from the rear panel about 1/2 inch and creates other issues, especially in a small case like this one.

That seems like a good fan and it has decent specs. I actually like yellow a lot. It would look super nice in a black case.

 

Well, I finally got everything done and the office cleaned up just in time for work. That was a long and frustrating weekend. Hopefully, the reduction in dust will be worth it. And, now everything is kitten-proof.

Spoiler: More Photos

 

Based off your thoughts on the 5000D, I knew this case would prove to be inadequate for your needs. Even the O11D XL would have been smaller than you would have liked, however, I think you'd have liked it better. Yes the O11D XL is expensive but it is still a higher quality case than most of the boxes out there.

Next case I'm getting is either the Meshify 2 XL or Define 7 XL. I like that they support 420 rads or I can do push/pull.

 

Hey do you still have the primo chill test bench?

 

Meshify 2XL was on my top two list. I only went with the Enthroo because of the tubes from the KPE 3090 were stretched to their uncomfortable limits in a Meshify 2 XL front mounted and the Enthroo was ~2" smaller depth wise to give the tubes a little slack. If I was going max rad space in a nice all black enclosure, Meshify 2 XL would definitely be my top pick and I'd order one for another build out in a heartbeat.

 

Love the hardwood floors and overall clean look but you definitely need a bigger clock.....

 

So you ended up keeping that 3090 KP? Awesome!

 

I love the define 7 XL. I put one in a shopping cart every now and then with serious intentions on actually buying. Then I get caught up on the tinted glass model vs the clear glass model, or maybe the no glass at all version. Then I move on and usually (I tell my self I really don’t need a case)

$200 is kind of expensive for a case. Although I do feel like the Define 7 XL is worth it.

 

Yes, I still have it. I am debating in my mind whether to keep it or sell it. As much as I hate the idea of getting rid of it, I don't have a good place to store it.

 

Yep, it's been over 4 months now and many hours of WoW have been logged.

 

Just out of curiosity, between the 3090 HoF and the Kingpin, which one is a better overclocker? I've heard that the HoF has better power delivery compared to the Kingpin, but it seems the Kingpin holds more records.

 

The K|NGP|N most likely holds more records because there are more of them. The Galax HOF cards are like leprechauns and unicorns (non-existent) and the world records are held by those using sub-zero cooling. Sub-zero temps, high power limits and voltage control are the keys to setting world records with crazy high overclocks. The best silicon lottery GPU that money can buy is going to perform only a little better than a standard reference GPU if both are relying on air or ambient water cooling. The overclocking capabilities are severely stunted on either GPU by temperatures, as well as voltage and power limit controls using the typical stock cancer firmware. Boost clocks are castrated based on temperature no matter how much control you have over the power limits and voltage.

I also believe the Galax HOF cards that have set records are cherry-picked units with superior silicon and special firmware that are pre-destined to select recipients solely for marketing purposes and not the same GPU that is sold in severely limited quantities to a tiny group of consumers.

 

Anyone here get Error 43 on the Radeon VII? If so any tips?

really bummed that it seems to be giving up the ghost. I sent in a ticket with XFX and if they tell me to get lost which I fully expect then I will try to flash the vBIOS to see if thats what holding it up or selling it on ebay for parts which will contribute to the next GPU I pick up I guess.

Got a Gaming X Trio from MSi recently, 3080. Does fairly well for mining after flashing the Surprim vBIOS, been getting a consistent 102Mh/s with it and its relatively quiet along with my other 5700XT's running right now...

I may just stick to getting more 3080's so I can conserve more space and avoid setting up a 3rd GPU miner for a while longer...

 

Sorry to hear that your R7 might be going belly up. Abnormally high failure rate and overall inconsistent reliability of their GPUs is one of the things that caused me to hate AMD in the past and it is still the thing that causes me to remain unwilling to embrace anything made by them today. I think your plan to stick with NVIDIA going forward is a good one.

 

I was reading today that it thought that XFX had a bad batch since they have the highest failure rate, or at least its what I read around the net today.

Luckily the original owner has the invoice for the card and is willing to fulfill the RMA request on my behalf, real stand up dude.

 

That is wonderful. I agree, sounds like he is a great guy.

 

Certainly not complaining, now I get to wait and see how XFX will likely give me the run around. No idea what kind of GPU they will offer as a replacement in principle I would expect an equal tier card but at this point I would be satisfied with a 5700XT as long as I can mine with it.

So far I am fairly impressed with the 3080 for mining. Was not too enthused with flashing Surprim vbios to get it to behave how I needed it to. Was only getting about 82Mh/s as the card kept diving into the low power state on the core which isnt a big deal most of the time but it was hitting 800Mhz which is too far back. Just seems kind of dumb to give a 3080 3x 8pin power connectors to then limit the crap out of it. Anyways its chugging along at 102Mh/s now.

Tonights project is get the 1070's mining without crashing everything and then clean up my mess lol

Fairly simple but dear lord Precision towers are much more finnicky than I thought they would be. Thats the cost of being cheap though. Either you have the money to save on time or you have the time to save on money. I chose the latter as I typically do, but sometimes I regret that heavily when a project doesnt want to break my way.

 

I'm going to put my KP 3090 up for sale. I'm not going to wait for the waterblock any longer. I might put it up here for a week but most likely sell it locally.

 

My fantasy budget tells me to jump off a bridge before hitting you up on that card, if I survive I'll still not be able to afford that kind of card lol

3080's are probably my cap since they occasionally sell for 1700 or so...

 

Does XFX still have their double warranty that extends to a second owner as long as you have the receipt for it?

 

Not that I could tell, warranties on the Radeon VII looked to be quite slim in comparison to normal variant type products (only 1 year if bought from AMD). Luckily he bought the card in December 2019 so we still had about 6 months left on it, didnt need to dig any further than that and it was already 1am at that point, going on 3 days of 3 hours of sleep now lol

 

I guess you might find some blackened SMDs near GPU core. Had similar error 43 on hd 5750 amd when I put it on AGA. Since I was not good at soldering stuffs I ignored the card is still here in my cupboard. 3080 is good card if you didn't pay scalper prices.

 

I don't know if you're using CUDA to mine, if so you can open nvidia inspector and set Force P0 CUDA state to False or 0 to get full max boost clocks. Don't know if 3080 driver removed references.

 

Its just an issue with the Gaming X Trio card in terms of specifically Ethereum mining, core would be up when loading the DAG file and then immediately drop off afterwards. I didnt use Inspector but had attempted in HiveOS and Minerstat in Windows to effectively the same thing to force P0 state but the vbios would ignore it and default to P2 state. flashing Surprim vbios resolved it immediately.

I did run a few games before setting it to mine and to be honest I wasnt that impressed with its gaming performance, perhaps I am biased as I see it as more of an alt coin miner than a gaming card but I expected more performance uplift from Horizon: Zero Dawn. On launch using not launch drivers my 5700XT (overclocked mind you) was getting anywhere from 85-110 FPS iirc, the 3080 didnt manage to hold over 100 much so perhaps there is a bottleneck somewhere else in my system. For games the 1070 has me covered basically...

 

Hey, I can’t find those wet benches anywhere. Only the base model is available, or the original angled wet bench. The flat models, and or the optional models with additional rad support are always out of stock. I haven’t checked in a few days but, I am sure they still are.


PM me on a price. I would love to get it.

 

If this is correct, Intel will push even harder for the phone cores on their desktop chips (in short laptop chips). 8 high-efficiency Gracemont cores ain't enough for Raptor. Double it up to stay within the power efficient target for the platform. No need for more High Performance cores, LOOL

"Intel’s dependency on high-efficiency cores grows as power requirements increase"

Intel allegedly planning Raptor Lake CPUs with 24 cores and Alder Lake HX series for enthusiast notebook series

Raptor Lake with 8C+16c coming Holiday 2022
Moore’s Law is Dead also revealed details on Raptor Lake, a successor to Alder Lake which would also support the LGA1700 socket. The series allegedly feature cores codenamed Raptor Cove which would replace Golden Cove from Alder Lake. The CPUs would still feature high-efficiency Gracemont cores, however, Intel would be doubling the number of these cores in the upcoming CPUs (aka 13th Gen Core series).

 

I'm fine with a few little cores as they have been noted to perform like a Skylake core, but if more than 1/2 of the CPU is little cores, I don't like that.

 

I will shoot you a PM. You can buy them brand new from PrimoChill.

https://www.primochill.com/collecti...ts/praxis-wetbenchsx-basic-horizontal-edition

https://www.primochill.com/collections/wet-benches/products/praxis-wetbenchsx-pro-flat-edition

 

Depends what you mean with Skylake cores. The little cores have no HT as the real Skylake cores.


Intel is forced to do this to be within the Power budget. As well die size. Max out with 8 real cores is so yesterday.

And the fun part. Apple goes to oppsite way and want more of the real aka the Big cores