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Not even summer yet... I bet is going to be a real scorcher once summer hits. Today's high temperatures will be our overnight low temperatures in the next 45 days.
Maricopa County reports first heat-related death of 2021 | AZCentral
Last year, Maricopa County reported the highest number of heat-related deaths in recorded history with 323 deaths occurring in 2020.

This must be what it feels like to be a Dellienware laptop.

 

I couldn't do it...just can't. That weather scares the crap out of me and I can count on one hand the things I'm afraid of. I'm thinking about making the move to Colorado or Montana because of the cold weather. My dream is to live in a cabin in the woods that has highspeed connectivity but I can disable whenever I want to disconnect from the world.

 

I just got moved to a warehouse with no climate control...here in Texas.

Not going to look forward to when the heat finally hits here, ill just consider it a water weight reduction lol

 

Makes sense especially since you have that and the Strix 3090. No way I would hold onto two 3090s. One of them would have to go.

 

I did Phoenix for about a year and a half when I was working out there. Traded that oven for another oven in Jbad for a year. That place in the summer would regularly see well above 110F.

 

You can probably sell it for more than what you paid for it based on how asinine GPU prices have become. I can probably even get about 300% more for my 780 Ti Classified than what it is actually work. I've been thinking about listing it on eBay as a test of human stupidity.

 

Truth be told, I rather it goes to someone that's going to use it to its full potential.

 

Yep, so they don't need to jump on this. Everything can be benched. Even the tragdy below

Graphics Card Shortages Are So Bad, MSI Launched a New GeForce GT 730

Nvidia launched the GeForce 700 series back in 2013 using the Fermi, Kepler, and then Maxwell architectures. This is certainly not a card you pick up to play the latest games with, but it does offer an inexpensive way to acquire some features your integrated GPU doesn't have. Inexpensive or not, this is just bad.

JPR: Sales of Graphics Cards Hit $12.1 Billion in Q1 as ASPs Quadruple
Makers of graphics cards enjoy robust demand and absurdly high ASPs.

And it won't stop there...
Graphics DRAM Prices Expected To Rise By As Much As 13% In The Contract Market, PC Market & Console Manufacturing Are Large Contributors

 

More importantly they're killing off driver support for Kepler very soon.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-will-kill-off-support-for-kepler-gpus-with-next-r470-driver

 

Yeah I have been sitting on my Kingpin 3090 hybird still in the box and a 6900xt Merc XFX card that i got form a buddy he used for about 6 hours. Have not had the desire to build, my 2080ti is still my main machine and doing fine.

Was going to build the KP around the new 590 dark MB but now EVGA pushed that to Mid-Late July. I ordered a Asus XIII Extreme but sent that back because I no way in hell ill utilize a $900 motherboard. Had cae, memory and a xiii Hero board. Said screw it sent it all back. Think I might just sell the KP and 6900xt keep the 2080ti rig till it dies. A couple possible life changing things came up recently so PC stuff is not important anymore. Well for now anyway..

 

Well, if their AIB partners are re-releasing EOL graphics cards they may have to extend Kepler and reinstate Fermi driver support. Reminds me of Windows 7 support getting extended, re-extended, re-re-extended, etc. And, I am still using it.

 

Looks like they have Strix blocks now, but still nothing on the K|NGP|N.

 

Nvidia walking their own way. From today about 2 hours ago

Nvidia Ends Support For Kepler GPUs, Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1 On August 31
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-end-support-kepler-gpu-windows7-windows-8-august-31

 

Well, all I can say is F's in the forum for Kepler, you lasted quite a long time and created many interesting GPU's.

 

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...windows-7-windows-8-8-1-on-august-31.3707771/

 

You'd probably like SPR-X since each tile underneath has HBM2E for SPR-SP. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Prepares-Xeon-HBM

 

I can't see it other way than MSI has to scrap the idea rereleasing the seven-year old GT 730. Or can they still sell it because Nvidia will offer security updates until September 2024? The tech world have gone bananas.

Windows 8.1 will reach end of Extended Support on January 10, 2023. I expect they also kill support for 8.1 because this means bigger chance to make working mod drivers for Win 7. Yeat, another good handshake between nvidia and Microsoft. Nvidia is going Windows 10 exclusive later this year thewerge.com

Source. Support note from Nvidia

And dont forget Microsoft is soon ready with a new version of Windows, likely to be named Windows 11, in October. Full touch support and prepared for maybe next gen Win phones?

Microsoft still haven't forgot the sweet dream become the new Apple

 

It's better to ignore everything they do and do whatever you want to if you can find a work around. As things have gone for the past 6 or 8 years I can see that there's probably no better than about a 10% chance I'm going to like or agree with anything they do. Which is fine, to hell with them, I don't care as long as I can find a way to do things my way and bypass their nonsense I'm good with that. I do not need their support. They're just too stupid for words and homie don't play dat.

 

Sell those mothers!

 

So I threw this 11900K on my MXIIE on stock voltage and memory. Can anyone tell me which is the correct voltage? Under load it's 1.256V.
Thanks.

 

I can't imagine that anyone buying a GT 730 in 2021 should be too worried about game-optimized drivers. That would be like buying a Toyota Prius and worrying about its acceleration and obstacle course performance not being superior. It was nothing to write home about when it was first released.

 

I know bro Fox, but if they start sell it as new item it should come with supported drivers within the whole obligatory warranty period. If they can't offer it due Nvidia, then sell it as used item and for the 1/4 of the price We talk about new re-released cards from MSI, not a old used card you buy on the internet.

If it's correct that MSI try this they gamble on a special market and sell it as is. I expect they picked the cheapest of the Kepler cards because they would run into problems if this was a 780 Ti card with Nvidia's decision on Kepler drivers.

If this card have come in an brand new computer from MSI it would be called fraud/scam if they can't offer the whole package and new drivers within the warranty period. This would never went well for MSI if they tried this in Norway with its consumer rights (5 year) If I bough this in an Norwegian Store as new I could return it the day Nvidia said no more drivers, either for cash back or equal new card, HeHe

 

What microcode revision? SP rating? V/F curve in BIOS?
If it pulls 1.256 under load I'd set it to 1.3 / LLC7 and see if it can pass a 30 min CB23 run / RB 2.56 / P95 small fft 10+ min non-avx for starters and dial it in (up or down) accordingly but I would dial in the memory first. I don't know what sticks you have on hand to go for gear 1 or gear 2 but that's just my approach.

 

Knew this was coming but I did not expect it to come this year only. Windows 8.1 was the black sheep for many but surprisingly in my experience it has been so much reliable, imagine for 6 years I never had any issue with the OS at all. It has support until 2023 (Extended) but since many already moved to 10 and only a few left on Win7 and so many drivers do have proper support for Win7 rather than 8.1 it makes sense. A big shame.

This is why 2021 is the last year to own the PC Hardware to make your machine run Windows 7. Intel or AMD or Nvidia. As for Intel iGPU I think they only have that DCH cancer which is Win10 only. For AMD they only have Win7 and not 8.1. So now Nvidia is joining the club of Win10. CSM is the only thing holding this bridge strong. With 2022 hardware first Mobos, we will get a confirmation soon.

Also Game Ready Drivers, due to the flatout political engineering in games I do not have to worry much about since probably for a year there might be one game or two from Japan or Eastern European developers which would be worth my time and money. I'm not sure if NVinspector allows any sort of Game Ready Profiles to work on old drivers ?

For instance for the whole damn E3 (which was full cringe) here are the only games which are worth any damn to me. Many know about STALKER already, but Atomic Heart was teased since 2 years finally they showed it and releasing in 2021, to those who do not know, it's more like PREY / BioShock. Also note that new game in the last is made by the real polish developers ex-CDPR who left CDPR as many know who followed the real news and not the bs hype, they actually made a real Cyberpunk game called Ruiner vs abomination of hell which was Cyberjunk.






Finally for Windows 11, I do not personally think it's a new OS version because of two reasons - Windows 10 is a WaaS already so they have a group of people working on the Features updates for SAC Consumer and Enterprise And LTSC channels. Now if Windows 11 comes, another WaaS they have to maintain the whole channels again and push for same, ofc they can axe the new feature updates to Win10 and save cash. Second reason is, how are they going to transition all the Enterprise customers who make up for their majority of the chunk of cash flow. They do get the OEM money from these new Laptops and etc. That's my gut feeling could be wrong.

 

The future looks grim bro Ashtrix. The phone processors from Intel is soon ready. Hybrid processors and you are forced to use the next level of lame Touch friendly pastel colored and rounded corners Windows OS from Redmond.

AMD Patent Hints At Hybrid CPU To Rival Intel's Raptor Lake CPUs

Hybrid processors won't succeed unless there is proper software support. Recent rumors point to a new, more efficient scheduler in Windows 11 that's optimized for hybrid setups. That new update is rumored to land later this year at the same time as Alder Lake, which should pave the way for better support for hybrid processors.

In one example, AMD measures the period of time that the small cores are running at the maximal clock speed and compares it to a threshold. If the duration is greater than the established time threshold, the task shifts over to the bigger cores. In another example, AMD takes into account an external factor: memory. If the memory utilization is less than the threshold established on the small cores, the task will remain on said cores.

Yeah, Microsoft want to make a big deal on coming new phone tech. A new OS fits well into this. And do not be surprised if Microsoft at some point will try once again with smartphones.

Intel 12th Gen Core Alder Lake to Launch Alongside Next-Gen Windows This Halloween techpowerup.com Jun 4th, 2021 05:53

Intel is likely targeting a Halloween (October 2021) launch for its 12th Generation Core "Alder Lake-S" desktop processors, along the sidelines of the next-generation Windows PC operating system, which is being referred to in the press as "Windows 11," according to "Moore's Law is Dead," a reliable source of tech leaks. This launch timing is key, as the next-gen operating system is said to feature significant changes to its scheduler, to make the most of hybrid processors (processors with two kinds of CPU cores).

The two CPU core types on "Alder Lake-S," the performance "Golden Cove," and the low-power "Gracemont" ones, operate in two entirely different performance/Watt bands, and come with different ISA feature-sets. The OS needs to be aware of these, so it knows exactly when to wake up performance cores, or what kind of processing traffic to send to which kind of core. Microsoft is expected to unveil this new-gen Windows OS on June 24, with RTX (retail) availability expected in Q4-2021

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Aqua Computer LEAKSHIELD Review - No More Leaks techpowerup.com

REVIEW WATERCOOLING
Aqua Computer challenges conventional watercooling by throwing a vacuum pump into the loop! The all-new LEAKSHIELD not only detects leaks by using a sensitive pressure sensor, but also aims to stop them with a clever vacuum-pump implementation and negative pressure operation.

 

That's a pretty nice idea for the pump/vacuum.

 

MC=B0

 

That's pretty interesting. I've not had any issues with leaks, but eliminating the possibility of them that way is pretty cool.

 

Outside of that 5.2 V/F, that's right in line with an SP85 5.3 @ ~1.458. With your cooling (both D2D and Bench), it will be interesting to see where you take it for full stability runs and bench-a-palooza.

 

The bar just keeps getting lower and lower, LOL. If it is slower than the Intel iGFX, what's the point?

 

For Ryzen system owners I assume. AMD desktop CPUs don’t have an iGPU.

 

Gt 730 have a better value than this, LOOL
I wainting this one for the test bench. My son wanted check out the worst of the worst



I wonder how many cards Nvidia sold directly to the miners right before the cards was released to the gamers. As well the AIB partners. Great workmanship, to push the prices well over MSRP.

Miners bought 25 percent of all graphics cards in the first quarter of 2021 sweclockers.com

There is a shortage of computer components of several kinds, especially graphics cards. The lack of graphics cards is attributed to several reasons, among them of course the currently infamous circuit shortage, the corona pandemic and an increase in the mining of cryptocurrencies. The sky-high demand has caused prices to skyrocket and led to record figures for both AMD and Nvidia .

A recent report from Jon Peddie Research specifically analyzes the impact of cryptocurrencies in relation to sales figures. During the first quarter of 2021, it is estimated that 25 percent of all graphics cards from partner manufacturers (AIB) have gone to miners. This is equivalent to approximately 700,000 graphics cards worth $ 500 million.

 

Hey everyone I have finally had some time today for actual stability testing my setup today (Since going direct die)

Just wondering here, but my (2) 8 pin power cables for my CPU are reaching 73C during realbench 2.56.

Is that normal? I know I am
pulling gobs of power. This is only 4.8Ghz with no AVX offsets at all. Using (32) GB of ram setting in realbench 2.56.

I thought that was pretty hot for a rubber cable lol.

Anyways, Full 4.8Ghz AVX passed with 32GB of ram usage. Hottest core was 82C, it is 76F/24C inside of my house right now(So its actually hot inside my house, being summer time. I let it go for 30 minutes with full ram usage. I didn’t feel like starting any fires today.

I cannot run more than 4.8Ghz/0AVX in realbench without getting power shut downs.

Anyways, I am just blown away that this thing passed at full 4.8Ghz in Realbench with 32GB ram usage. That’s insane! It’s hot in my house too.. And it just rolled right through it. My core temps are very low, I just have 1 core that hits 82C. While the others kinda hang out in the mid 70’s. I feel like I could easily manage a full 4.9Ghz with no AVX offsets and be 100% stable in realbench, but I get hard power shutdowns.. I feel as if I am hitting a overload protection or something though, once I start stressing that 4.9-5.0Ghz with AVX intensive loads (power shut downs). Not sure what to do, I have tried different bios with no luck. Even with a cool CPU, the current draw of full AVX 4.9Ghz is just too extreme I suppose.

Obviously other apps are stable at 4.9Ghz or even 5Ghz while running easier stuff like R15/R20/ (and even in R23! Beating down even a Threadripper 2990WX lol)

 

Weaker Cpu but better graphics result put it in front

https://hwbot.org/submission/476876...__extreme_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_2499_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4768225_papusan_vrmark___orange_room_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_641_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4768226_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_3732_marks


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You Can’t Get An AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Liquid Cooled Graphics Card Because It’s Only For System Integrators

If you were looking forward to buying an AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT LC graphics card, AMD is the bearer of bad news for you. AMD will only be making a small amount of these graphics cards available to system integrators.

If you want to get an AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT Liquid Cooled graphics card, you are going to have to buy a prebuilt and take the card out. While this decision does prevent miners and scalpers from getting the card, it also prevents enthusiasts from getting the card. AMD have essentially solved one problem by creating another one.

 

One of my cards has a new home, perhaps, this weekend the KP will make an appearance on the NBR marketplace. Now I will go back to playing the OG Max Payne with the Strix 3090....yes it is way overkill.

 

Been tuning my P750FM a bit finally.

Quick and dirty settings so far while using CyberPunk 2077 v1.23

i7-9700F @ 4.5Ghz
-135.7mv offset (core/cache)
IccMax 110a

GTX 1080 @ 1900c/+750m @ 190 TDP w/ 1v
Max temp so far has been 87c

I still need to do a little work on the CPU side, adding the other half of the CPU heatsink with some thermal adhesive once I supply of it finally gets in, and the heatsink in general seems to be ready for more liquid metal application.

I should've never blown all that time and effort (and cash) into the 17 R1, very respectable machine mind you, but the 6th gen P series clevo's (with necessary asterisks) are something else.


In other news I discovered max wattage I can pull in my room is about 1000w which I thought was a little low, ill need to investigate it a bit further to confirm but with my 2 mining rigs pulling about 800w, desktop pulling maybe 100w, the laptop causes the breaker to trip

 

Your 17 R1 adventures were very fun reads and a great ride. The P7/P8 series are just next level especially with proper BIOS love. I'm sitting back waiting to see where the X170KM ends up but I'm not even close to sold on it yet.

 

Lack of working Legacy/CSM options in the BIOS knocked an otherwise great product off of my list. That ruined it for me and moved the X170 from the "awesome and must have" column to the "ignore this broken POS" column. That is why I have two nice desktops now. There is not one single current generation laptop available that is worth a damn. That said, the X170 is the only one that had any potential to be acceptable. They missed the mark. The others are made like they don't even know that there is a mark.

 

Yeah they were fun for a while I liked the challenge at the time but eventually I wanted to switch to a more productive mindset and my 17 R1 didnt want to cooperate lol.

I believe I definitely need more LM for the heatsink though, runs a bit warmer than I remember first getting it. I think that is expected though for the first couple of applications

Turns out error correction was helping the 1080's memory at +750 until it couldnt hang anymore, more testing seems to be happiest at +600, still running 1900c @ 1v. I read around that 18-1850 can be fine around .9-.925 to lower the temps more but with CyberPunk 2077 it needs more octane. Even the 9700F struggles quite a bit compared to my 2700x but its worth noting that I have a D15s on it so the laptop space limitation obviously is a huge factor.

I really didnt get this laptop for playing the latest and greatest so Im glad that its able to stretch in a different direction that I didnt originally intend for it, mining was not something I had considered doing 6 months ago and this laptop began its journey maybe 8 months prior to that.

Maybe after another application of LM I may push it for a 2Ghz core, but 1900c will suffice for now

 

Is there anyway Prema can enable or construct work arounds to enhance OS support? The Insyde BIOS is basically showing up everywhere now. On the few Acer ultra portables I'm evaluating it is the default BIOS both on the 11th gen Intel Aspire 15.6" and Ryzen 5000 Swift 14" models I'm using. They are beyond locked down. You are right. The X170KM really is the only logical upgrade for a big, beefy, meaningful DTR with a full array of truly interchangeable parts (CPU, GPU, Memory, Storage, WiFi).

 

Well, we would need @Prema to clarify this for us. When we were working together on the zTecPC X170 I did quiz him about it and, at the risk of butchering the explanation, it seems the underlying code that corresponds with the menu is missing. The menu item is a placeholder for a feature set that was removed by a retard that has sold their soul to the devil named Micro$oft. When it was clear that he was not going to be able to get that working is when I scratched it off my list. Other models and brands may still have the missing components. I am not sure on that. If it was an Insyde job (pun intended) rather than a dumba$$ Clevo move, maybe not.

It is really sad that Insyde BIOS is becoming more common. Award/AMI is better. I was hoping Insyde would have gone out of business. They suck.

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Happy Father's Day to all who are and/or have a father. Being a good dad has been a great honor for me and I am privileged to have learned that from having a great dad. Being a grandpa is a lot easier, LOL.

 

Unfortunately older standards have to be dropped in order for technology to progress. There aren't enough people to support everything.

I think the X170 is a great product for what it is, but I also only use Windows 10. I can see how the lack of Legacy options would piss off people who like Windows 7. I know many of you would disagree with my opinion, but I like Windows 10 more. 0.1% lows in games are significantly higher in Win10 LTSC than Windows 7.

Is Legacy BIOS really better than UEFI in an absolute sense? The only difference that's apparent to me is the ability to change the screen brightness outside the OS with Legacy BIOS. I don't have any knowledge on the difference between their firmware quality.

 

That is not accurate. Nothing needs to be dropped in order to move forward. This not only limits Windows 7 but also creates complications and functionality limitations for Linux users. UEFI minus CSM is a power play by Nazi control freaks to limit freedom. They are in bed with Micro$lop on this. Eliminating CSM and Legacy options DOES NOT present an opportunity for technology to progress. That might be what the advocates of pure UEFI want people to believe. CSM and Legacy options do not limit UEFI options. Removing the options that allow end users the freedom and autonomy to make their own decisions is a Satanic principle and purely evil at its core. Removing CSM and Legacy options gives OEMs and ODMs the power to limit what people can do with the products they purchase and opens new opportunities for abuse through enhanced control. In a pure UEFI environment, they can even decide when hardware (or software) stops working and when a replacement system (or application) is required.

 

Thanks for the insight. I did not know this.

If that's the case, then we definitely don't want pure UEFI taking over.

 

I was able to circumvent the issue of the space being lost with the vertical GPU bracket by using one of these. I just happened to stumble upon it. I had to remove the GPU temporarily to install it and it just barely fit, but I got my missing third NVMe 1TB SSD back again in the bottom PCIe slot. Thankfully, it was very inexpensive. It is much smaller than the add-in card that I was no longer able to use with the vertical GPU bracket.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PYHVXJS

Hey, no worries, bro. I wish more people knew so we could increase the resistance to it. I am actually somewhat shocked that the EU hasn't already taken legal action against this kind of bullying by tech giants as they have with other things that limit consumer options. I do think the underlying reason is a lack of knowledge. Many people have assumed that everything they are being told is accurate, and they do not realize that there is a secret nefarious agenda behind a lot of it. It would be equally nice to see some federal laws introduced that require all available BIOS configuration options to be unlocked so long as changing the settings does not cause a bricked condition (such as disabling iGPU on an Optimus-based laptop motherboard).

 

Alright, I've been trying to break the 4710mq CBR15 HWBOT record for a few hours now, and can't get anything higher than a score of 720 (729 is the record .) The fastest I can get my FSB clock to go is 102.00mhz before everything in the BIOS starts freezing. I noticed the DMI/PEG Ratio option in the BIOS, and have 0 clue what it does, can someone explain what it does and if it can help me?

 

Damn, I need to grow up, but there's not a whole lotta time left.....having no kids is some independence, not sure it's worth the trade off!

On seperate topic, tech is so slow nowadays with ridiculous pricing & availability, still in a queue since last Sept or Oct or something & still no GPU at my door....I think this gen is dead for my chances of that 3080, and to be honest I'm not sure I want it anymore....in fact I'll probably just hold on until the company admit that they aren't gonna be honouring their orders....gives them some payback and maybe they'll offer a sweetener. Nothing for me to talk about in my PC tech, still rocking my 6700K & GTX 1070!

 

Crypto is falling off a cliff, prices are in a free fall, you might be able to get one for a decent price in a couple-few months if it doesn't recover.

 

Prices may be in freefall but my average per day earnings only took a small dip, if China is indeed out then its just better for everyone else that is still mining.

Time will tell, hope prices do come down though, its been hell on the regular consumer

 

Profitability is way down from what it was unless they massively tweaked gas prices and difficulty again to compensate.

EDIT: yeah they are trying to keep it up.. but it's going to go down further hopefully.

Proof-of-stake can't come fast enough.