*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Time for you grab a 8350 just for the overclocking (not that it performs lol)

 

If it doesn't produce good benchmark scores then there is no point in owning it, even if it overclocks well. Once Core 2 put the hurt on Athlon, nothing they had to offer in the CPU realm until Ryzen 9 was even remotely interesting to me. Before Ryzen, AMD processor were notoriously good overclockers that produced atrociously poor results. It is nice to see they finally have CPUs that rival Intel and GPUs that rival NVIDIA (both at a flagship level). It has been roughly a decade since they had a GPU I could respect as an enthusiast. (Actually none since ATI was bought by AMD.) It was nearly two decades until they had a CPU that was respectable. It is actually kind of amazing that they managed to survive. They had a long losing streak of producing nothing but garbage.

 

Yep, after that point they became the value product where it was "good enough" but cheaper. It was because of that marketing that I got into AM3 with the Crosshair III and Phenom II 965 C2. I couldnt overclock that chip for squat, 3.7Ghz was the best I could get. C3 later dropped and presto 4.0Ghz for everyone.

Still ended up getting (used of course) Asus Rampage III Extreme and a golden Xeon (iirc) w3520 a couple years later. Had some fun with Tri-SLI GTX 470's and a GTS 450 for some physx fun. Dont know if you recall but people were dumping their GTX 470's for hella cheap for the 570/580 before people figured out the GTX 570's were really inferior to the 470's for overclocking.


Im really looking forward to the next and probably last chip for AM4, though if its akin to L4 cache that intel had for a short while then its might be a PR flop. Though there are tangible benefits in games it didnt translate well (if at all) for synthetic benchmarks.

 

At that time I was a raging Alienware fanboy lunatic and not paying attention to desktops. To be fair, they actually offered good products back then. Those were the good old days for Dell.

I was also traveling about 20 to 25 days a month, so I did not have any awareness of the desktop realm because there were not enough hours in a day, LOL. I would leave Sunday and get home Friday night. Kiss the wife and kids, do a load of laundry on Saturday and get ready to leave again on Sunday. Later, rinse, repeat... for about 12 years. I missed a lot of what was happening at home and in the tech world.

Alienware Claims It Can’t Sell High-End Desktop PCs in 6 US States | ExtremeTech

 

They force Nazi like laws on you staying home, wear a mask even when you are showering. Then they have this relentless push for this vaccine that scares the hell out of me at this point. Bill gates was involved with this vaccine you know. They preached oh get the vaccine, you wont have to wear a mask anymore and you can go on about your life! Now its people vaccinated can get infected again so everyone put your mask back on! Tot op all this off they want to start forcing you to stay home again but are now taking away high powered computers and next your consoles. What oh what will you do when yuor locked down inside wearing your mask if you cant have a gaming pc or console? I guess force you to watch netflix and amazon prime to help enrich the crazy liberals more?

 

It kind of makes sense that they want to trample our right to bear arms, because they know we might use them to combat their insane Nazi dumba$$ nonsense, and they would 100% deserve it.

 

I am 1776% sure they are not taking my weapons.

 

3090 Kingpin Optimus Waterblock with active backplate waterblock is $598.00.

I am thinking about seriously buying one honestly.


https://optimuspc.com/products/signature-gpu-block-kingpin-3090

 

I am considering it as well. I saw the email in flight to Chicago but have not had time to do a deep dive yet.

 

ORD or MDW?

 

I know! I might buy one my self. $600 is a lot for a block though. Man... But honestly, I’m just not that impressed with the 3090KP HC block.

My 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper block seems to do well at high power levels. Like 600 watts. But below 600 watts and it doesn’t make that much sense.


And this Optimus 3090KP block has full watercooling coverage on the back memory modules, back of the die, and the memory and die it’s self. (Everything)

They even include Fujipoly pads lol..

If I was a fish, I’d be so dead right now. Because the lure is too damn good!

 

If I sell my KP HC block, and KP Hybrid cooler. I Can then buy the KP Optimus lol.


You guys think It’s worth it? Yeah I have someone begging to buy my AIO hybrid KP cooler lol. Not really sure why. But ok.

 

NBR meetup when?


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I’m not sure how selling your KP Hybrid cooler might affect your warranty if EVGA wants everything returned intact.

That optimus block is crazy wicked though…definitely a step up over the EVGA model.

 

ORD. Unfortunately, I am in downtown Chicago for a couple of days. Downtown anywhere is always my least favorite place to be. I am a suburban kind of guy and I hate downtown no matter what city. Everything sucks in the downtown district. The people, the parking, the prices, the traffic, the old architecture, the dirty one-way streets, the bums and panhandlers... all suck.

That would be cool.

Maybe before too much longer things will get back to normal so I can resume my old travel schedule and spend a week here every month. Thankfully, that is not downtown, but Tinley Park area. If it were downtown I would be praying that things would never return to normal.

If I were here 1 out of 4 weeks like things used to be, it would help minimize the impact of having no Microcenter in my area, especially now that Fry's has gone under. I honestly don't understand why Microcenter doesn't have a store somewhere in the Phoenix Metro area. Lots of great places they could put one (Tempe, Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa). With all of the silicon manufacturing settling in here, maybe they will do it.

Yes, you need to keep it for warranty purposes. Plus, I don't know why anyone would buy it. Nobody can use it if they don't have a KP GPU and if they have one they also already have the hybrid cooling setup as well.

I really want one of the Optimus blocks. I think it is severely overpriced though.

So expensive... Especially with it arriving so late in the 3090 life cycle. If I knew for sure that it will fit and work fine on the next KP card (i.e. 4090) it wouldn't seem like such a frivolous endeavor. I am not sure how much longer until this whole setup is obsolete.

 

The Optimus 3090 Kingpin waterblock is actually only $359 and that includes full Fujipoly pads front and rear.

Evga Kingpin HC block $299 no backplate
(Copper) re-use your stock KP back plate

Optimus Kingpin block $359 no back plate
(nickel) re-use your stock KP back plate


It seems they’re actually matching evga in terms of pricing, or maybe even beating them. From what I understand these blocks offer a SUB 8C delta. They have mid tier Fujipoly 11K/w thermal pads included.

The block that cost $598 is essentially (2) waterblocks in one, full coverage for the front, and full coverage for the back. One inlet, and one outlet flows through the front and then back side of the GPU. You’ve only gotta run a single line in, and a single line out.

 

Some random guy PMed me from Evga forums. He said he wanted to retro fit a KP Hybrid cooler to his FTW3, to retain OEM stock looks. I don’t even think It would fit.

Although, after thinking about it again. I think he was just going to use the AIO pump part that snaps in and the 360 rad portion.
Yeah, it would void the warranty I think though. If something goes wrong, I’d mail them a bare PCB like Jayz2cents does lol. Because at this rate it’s gonna take selling both KP coolers only to help cover some of the cost for the Optimus lol.

Optimus is not taking orders on the $359 model yet.

 

Perhaps it's the pessimist in me but I think he's going to try to screw over someone with that KP Hybrid cooler. He could try return fraud with a company like Amazon/3rd party seller (it's getting worse) or worse yet, send it to someone that thinks they are getting a real, full KP card and all they get is the cooler.

You would also lose out on the warranty like the others have stated. Is the Optimus KP block (without the full coverage block for the back) going to be that much better than the Hydro Copper block? Outside of looks, I am going to assume they perform nearly the same.

I'd love to see a comparison though but I would bet the delta differences would be 2 to 3C at the most. Again, that's without the block for the rear of the card.

 

ASUS goes EXTREME with AMD X570 chipset

ASUS unveils its high-end X570 ROG Crosshair Extreme motherboard
Published: 30th Jul 2021, 18:07 GMT

ASUS X570 ROG Crosshair Extreme is an E-ATX form factor motherboard, which is usually reserved for the HEDT series. The board is powered by a 24-pin ATX and dual 8-pin EPS connector, which is tied to a powerful 18+2 phase VRM design with 90A power stages.

Connectivity-wise this motherboard has a wide range of connectors, including high-speed (20 Gbps) USB 3.2×2 ports with support for 60W power delivery protocol. There are also two Ethernet ports attached to 10 Gbit and 2.5 Gbit network controllers as well as the latest built-in WiFi-6E wireless adapter.

The onboard audio is based on Realtek’s latest ALC4082 codec attached to ESS Sabre ES9018Q2C and ROG Clavis USB converters.

The X570 ROG Crosshair Extreme has just been listed by ASUS on the official website, but the listing does not offer any insight on possible availability date or more importantly the price.

When will the AMD AM4 socket run into EOL status? Fall 2022? This new coming Rog MB will probably become an expensive fun the last months before we see a new socket.

 

I’m not bothering with selling the stock hybrid cooler. It’s just not worth the hassle at all.

You may be right about the whole scammer/fraud thing. But either way this cooler is staying in my closet just in case something happens with the card. I’ve been having some serious fun with Classified tool lately.

I feel like Optimus cooling is really talking up the ability of their new KP blocks. And they make them sound magical, on top of their already good advertising dept.

But the 3090KP block does look sick. And I genuinely love it.

15,561 Port Royal is my best. (2,175Mhz@55C) and this seems to be a pretty good piece of silicon, considering how warm the card is.

 

EOL is likely a long time away. They are giving Intel almost a full year to get themselves back together before they launch Zen 4.

As for Asus, too little too late. The Dark is going to be the board for OC'ers. This board is "lets throw together everything including the kitchen sink" and charge 1000 for it.

 

Yes, after I got settled into my hotel and had a chance to disgest it I can see that you are actually buying two waterblocks. I went ahead and did it. It will be interesting to see how high the GPU core clocks can go with the whole GPU snuggled in a blanket of chilled water. I still think it's way too much money, but it is somewhat justifiable.

I wonder what colors are going to be available? They said I would be informed of color choices before the product is shipped. I just want good old black. Nothing beats black for looking awesome.

I will sell the Hydro Copper block to help offset the cost of the OptimusPC Signature block.

 

Hmm. I've never touched these DIP switches before. I am going to have to turn them all up to the highest levels on everything. They're all turned off (default).

 

"Additionally, we're working on reducing weight. Our Absolute GPU blocks are heavy, and that's without a solid copper rear water block. This will be a heavy card so plan accordingly."

I think you need to bring out the flat bench for this block plus card. I am thinking about buying their FTW3 block for my 3090 FTW3 Ultra.

 

I have been thinking about doing that anyway. Life is just so much easier on the open bench... dust be damned, LOL. Although, I do have the KP mounted vertically because it will not fit inside of either case mounted normally, so the added weight should not be a problem. The space between the glass side panel and motherboard tray is too narrow for it to be mounted normally in the PCIe slot with the Hydro Copper installed. The Neo Qube needs about inch or so, and the 5000D needs another half-inch. The protruding block where the water fittings attach make it too tall to install the side panel. I did not want the GPU to be vertically mounted on either one of my desktop, but I had no choice unless I wanted to leave the side panels off. (Same problem with the 2080 Ti and its EKWB Vector block.) It seems most cases are not designed for owners of liquid cooled GPUs.

The FTW3 block looks really awesome as well.

 

I love this video card! My goodness so beautiful! I’m flushing my loop again. Trying to keep it clean. And I’m just gonna poke around and see if I can’t reduce these temps on it some.

Oh, and as for dip switches I do recommend the FBVDD switches on. But, I did do a lot of careful research before touching these switches, or touching classified tool. Both FB switches give 1.5V to the memory (Not recommended on a hybrid cooler due to memory temps) but you can get some super high memory OC’s with 1.48-1.50+ (Like stabilizing +1600 to +1800 depending on the card.

This is a PR run from lastnight.

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1149094

 

Making cards single slot was my motivation for water cooling back in the day. Then you had nearly card with a forced DVI plug and I went back to air cooling since it didnt matter anymore. Both sides of the spectrum are pretty fun.

 

I scored a barely used delidded i9 10900K on ebay. I hope this one is a good overclocker.

This CPU is going to be going into my new Clevo X170 once I receive it. The delid combined with zTecpc's heatsink mods will allow significantly more thermal headroom over the stock version of the laptop. If I can get 5 GHz across all 10 cores in a laptop, I will be very happy.

 

It will be nice to see where you're able to take it and if you can do 5ghz under what conditions. That is definitely a massive upgrade over your sig rig!

 

Congrats, can't wait to see it in action and how it looks in a similar setting compared to the EVGA WB.

 

Delete.

 

Argh, sitting here quietly surfing and my KPE 3090 AIO pump is starting to fail....making the fridge buzzing sound like all the other failing AIO videos posted sound like. It lasted 6 months with some seriously solid WoW/CP2077 playtime but still....

I saw a few were able to just get an AIO swap so that's what I'll be shooting for to minimize downtime.

 

Where did you see this? I hope that is wrong. That is at least $400 more than I would be willimg to pay for it, and at least $500 more than it would be worth. There is no legitimate reason for it to cost more than a Z590 Dark.

Dang. Sorry to hear that, bro. I look forward to hearing about how it goes with the RMA process.

 

I think he took what I wrote about the Asus X570 Extreme likely being around 1000 to mean the Dark would be that price. The EVGA Dark will be priced the same as the Z590 Dark. 600.

 

I don’t know how much the X570 Dark is. I just read what @Rage Set posted

 

Yep you’re right

Didn’t mean to panic anyone lol.

 

So I removed the block last night, and saw that only a tiny spec in the very center of the die was touching. So then I went through the proper steps to get this fixed properly. And that’s.....

Mushing them dang thermal pads down with your fingers lol. I’d recommend washing your hand thoroughly first of course. Then I took alcohol and plastic and wiped the thermal pads off. This has always worked for me to clean a thermal pad, especially if you accidentally drop one.

And this was the end result!! I am very impressed. No load testing yet, but the idle temps are superb.

Fingers crossed.

 

Alright, well I went though some thorough testing after work today. Unfortunately the news isn't good.

GPU temp is 57.2C with a hot spot of 71.1C (Recorded with GPU-Z during loop of Port Royal Stress Test (1,000 Watt Rebar bios-NO OVERCLOCKING+STOCK VOLTAGES ONLY)

My load water temps inside of the reservoir is 27.9C. My room temps is 24.6C
(And this is with a 1,700RPM 120MM fan blowing on the back of the card with no door on my case)

I re-mounted the KP Hydro-Copper block last night, and I have also removed (3) 90 degree fittings to help promote water flow within my water loop.

My Intel 7980XE is only running at [email protected] with a CPU input voltage of 1.726V for lowest possible water temps, and lower power consumption.

My 3090 Kingpin has a delta over water temp of +29.3C. My water temp delta is about 3.5c to 3.8c, I am running 2,050.RPM-2.75mm H2O pressure fans, (3) 360MM radiators, EKWB D5 full blast at 4,175RPM, (NO case door, NO front panel, NO filters)

One thing that's weird is, the card is more stable in games since re-mounting the water-block. It is boosting immediately to 2,025mhz and holding that in cyberpunk with the OC bios switch enabled. And runs around 51-53C in game like this. This was the first thing that I noticed. So, even though my temps are not that great. The card seems to run amazing regardless lol.

 

Your temps are good. To keep things in context, you're running more watts and voltage through a KPE than you would an ordinary 3090, and probably higher core and memory frequency. That creates heat.

 

Are you sure about that?

GPU-Z peaked at only 459 watts max. No overclocking at all, or additional voltages. Just running the 1000 watt bios at stock. The 1KW KP bios runs a default boost of 1695Mhz. So the card was running around 1980Mhz?

 

I found a clog in my water loop. This makes sense because my idle temps are excellent, but load temps do not make sense. My water flow is just barely moving. I am almost certain that this is the Optimus Sig V2 that is clogged. The outlet water line for my Sig V2 is very warm. I can also squeeze and pump the lines by pinching them, and alter the flow back in to the reservoir. (even after letting go)

 

Use Precision X1. GPU-Z voltage and power readings are not accurate on KPE sensors.

The block works extremely well due to the fine fin density, but that also makes it easier to clog.

 

Yeah, those temps are nice. For comparison on ye ole Hybrid at idle:

 

I would probably come far from top 3 on the bot for 3070 Ti mobile with Dell's latest XPS model (fully castrated even with the weakest possible 3050 Ti). I wonder how they are able to destroy even the weakest Ampere mobile. Amazing task. I wonder what they drink. Wish I knew.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4792499_papusan_3dmark03_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_22033_marks +1000 points above 2nd place

 

CLOG REMOVED!!!!

It was not the CPU block. So, it was actually my front 360MM EKWB radiator. This is the last item that gets water before returning to the reservoir.

This front 360 RAD was air tight clogged.

 

Your a beast with these little turd books friend! One of these days I am gonna mail you an SSD, maybe you could tweak the OS for me. (Functional for daily use, but also good enough to benchmark on, something I can create a backup of) It could be Windows 10 lite Papusan editon.

 

This is going to have a learning curve, as Brother @Rage Set already told me. I just got it installed.

 

That’s fast!

I actually pulled the block and fritz polished the die and block yesterday during the whole clogged loop ordeal. I still don’t know how the clog made it past the SIG V2, landing in my front 360.

I’ve gotta say, I had no idea that’s what fritz polish was used for. This stuff works so well on silicon. I guess after ordering enough LM and seeing the name so many times, I finally put two and two together.

 

Can you do 3800 on the RAM with tighter timings?

 

I am not sure yet. I haven't had any time for tinkering yet.